Talk:Winter of 2010–11 in Europe

Separate UK page

the UK has it's own page now.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've redirected that page to here. We don't need some other article full of all the pointless UK news stories I've just spent far too much of my time removing from here!! This page is about the weather phenomenon, not the hype the uk press get excited about.Polyamorph (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

After the Heathrow disruptions, I suspect a separate UK page is no longer in question. - Tenebris

There have been travel disruptions at several european airports, not just Heathrow. But for the record there is an article Winter of 2010-2011 in Great Britain and Ireland. Polyamorph (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Notability

I do think the article is notable. However the article needs considerable work to cut out all the pointless rubbish and possibly a name change to "Late 2010 European cold front" or something instead, because in terms of the record breaking November lows across Europe (not just the UK) the article does cover a notable weather event. Polyamorph (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me there's no point creating separate articles for each part of the 2010-2011 European winter, at least not until (if) after it has finished and proved to be so spectacularly important and complex as to require more than one article. Boud (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

"hyped up by the British press". Why do I feel so sure no one on WP is going to dispute that the blizzard running up and down the northeastern US coast at present will merit an article of its own, even though the number of people affected is far less than in Europe and even though that kind of snowstorm isn't that uncommon in the northern US? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.150.98 (talk) 20:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

TODO list

global 2010 context

• The cold in West/Northern Europe is nearly the only cold exception to a record globally warm year (within the uncertainties, modulo effects from the final few weeks of December): http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2010november/ This is a rather important context for this article! Boud (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

theoretical explanations

• science: North Atlantic Oscillation and less arctic sea ice: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008GL037079.shtml
  • since this article is non-open access, it's not clear to me if it's claiming that it is proposing an explanation for the NAO; the less-arctic-sea-ice explanation is (as per the G Monbiot article below) a global-warming-induced-local-cooling (or global-warming-induced-local-non-warming?) explanation while NAO seems generally to be an empirical relation without any good candidates as the theoretical explanation; see Monbiot's article for his understanding
• mainstream media: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/uk-snow-global-warming

i put the above just because i don't have time right now. If someone does them, maybe add a brief note here like "done"... Useful ref templates:

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Boud (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)