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Naming[edit]

Should "Without" in the article title be de-capitalized? The word is used as a preposition [1], and our naming conventions say not to capitalize prepositions in song titles. Coffee 18:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If someone decides to amend this, what happens to the pages with links to it? Are they going to be changed automatically? Also, I seem to have read in several places that song titles' words all start with caps? Was I wrong? I do understand that WP has its own rules (which may be universal encyclopic rules), however I guess the song title as spelled here is a bit of both. This would affect other articles as well, since most list songs, and you would have an article with correctly spelled songs and incorrect ones --Dollvalley 16:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources?[edit]

Seems to me this article contains quite a few unsourced statements and personal opinions. "According to Bono, the song was heavily influenced by Scott Walker's album Climate of Hunter." "The song is U2's second most frequently covered song." "'With or Without You' is also widely considered one of U2's most overtly emotional songs" (considered by whom?). Personally I'd like to see some references. Amina skywalker 19:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the information on the first two statements. The source is U2.com [2]. Acegikmo1 19:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources? Ovid?[edit]

"So I can't live either without you or with you."

It's not Ovid's quote, it was Martial as far as I know.

See Martials Epigrammata XII, 46, 2 (orig.: "Nec tecum possum vivere nec sine te.")

Usage In Friends[edit]

The song was used in the show 3 times, not 2. The first is when Ross kisses Rachel for the very first time - that's why it sort of became their theme song. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dalmatin (talk • contribs) 23:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Okay Dude, first of all, their very first kiss was in the laundromat, and there was no music at all. The thing you refer too is their second kiss, and the music which is player there is not definitely not "With or Without You". Sounds totally different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.65.138.79 (talk) 13:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning[edit]

Can someone add what the official meaning of the song is? I've heard all sorts of theories but none that have an official source to back it up. Among the explanations I heard are the relationship between: a man and a woman, Bono and his wife, God and Jesus, Bono and God, a drug addict and drugs. I'm confused... F15x28 21:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With or without You[edit]

This page move is a really silly interpretation of the guideline. A sure case for WP:IAR. --Merbabu (talk) 10:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Version?[edit]

I'm currently listening to a version of the song with a stupid-ass dance drum beat and some slightly altered lyrics. The arrangement is also a little different as well. Does anyone know what this is? It's just come on the radio. Has it been rereleased by some DJ or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 10:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Song length[edit]

I have very different lengths for the song. For example, the back cover of the Joshua Tree original CD release lists it as 4:57; the back cover of The Best of 1980-1990 lists it as 4:55; in the liner notes of U218 Singles, the length of this song is 4:56; in Billboard Top Hits: 1987, the length of this song is listed as 5:00. Previously, in this article, the length of the song was 4:56, but Dream out loud changed it to 4:53. Does the length of this song differ between releases, either U2 albums as well as compilations that feature songs by several artists? David Pro (talk) 13:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; it's not particularly uncommon for U2. The difference in length is usually down to the amount of silence at the end of track before it leads into the next one, and it varies between releases depending on what that track is. I believe that the run-time of 4:56 should be the one used, since that is the one on both versions of The Joshua Tree (1987 and remaster). Unless the 4:53 is the length on the "With or Without You" single, in which case that would take precedence. Melicans (talk, contributions) 17:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics![edit]

User:Dream out loud, User:Pjoef... It says "I can't live" or "I can live"? Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the U2.com lyrics page, it is "can't". Melicans (talk, contributions) 02:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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for the release/chart performance section[edit]

Something I didn't see mentioned in this section: the video was a smash hit on MTV. I'm pretty sure it set records in terms of their charts. I understand that it's possible there's no way to source this, but I just thought I would put it out there in case anyone had any ideas. SubSeven (talk) 08:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]