Talk:Woman to Woman (Keyshia Cole album)/Archive 1

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Orphaned references in Woman to Woman (Keyshia Cole album)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Woman to Woman (Keyshia Cole album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Metacritic":

• From The-Dream: Love vs. Money (2009): Reviews. Metacritic. Retrieved on 2009-09-29.
• From Watch the Throne: "Watch the Throne Reviews, Ratings, Credits, and More". Metacritic. CBS Interactive. Retrieved 2011-08-09.
• From Calling All Hearts: Calling All Hearts (2010): Reviews. Metacritic. Retrieved on 2011-01-21

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Woman to Woman (Keyshia Cole album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:49, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Following through with my commitment! --K. Peake 08:49, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Thank you for reviewing this article. I have now followed every single direction given so far and completed re-editing the first half of the article. Fullmoon211 (talk) 14:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Fullmoon211 I am glad my comments thus far have been appreciated, though I have marked off what has not been done and can you provide a response here for the Chalice Recording point? --K. Peake 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake I fixed everything else as well as the Chalice Recording point. --Fullmoon211 (talk) 18:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I followed all of the last directions you had given and made another edit to the article. If there are any more errors, please let me know. Also, I noticed that you questioned whether one of the sources were reliable which I assume was the Daily Play MPE and I can confirm that it is considering that it's been used for the same information listed in a few other GA articles. I also wanted to keep the 2013 entry on the Top R&B Albums chart since that chart was first published a year after Woman to Woman was released. --Fullmoon211 (talk) 18:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Add a genre to the infobox

•  Not done the body sources R&B --K. Peake 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Change the release date of "Trust and Believe" to October 2, 2012, per the source in the body
• Maybe split the release into a sentence beginning with "It was released" and also mention the initially planned release date?
• "of producers such as" → "of producers, such as" and mention less in the lead since there is too many listed at the moment for "such as"
• "Vidal and Wonda." → "Vidal, and Wonda."
• "Musically, Woman to Woman is an R&B album, that featured" → "Musically, the album is an R&B record that features"

•  Not done --K. Peake 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• "Three tracks from the album were" → "Three tracks from Woman to Woman were"
• ""Enough of No Love" was greeted with a positive reception" → "The song received a positive reception"
• "chart as well as reaching the top-ten" → "chart, as well as reaching the top-10" per MOS:NUM
• "on October 22, 2012," → "on October 2, 2012," per earlier
• Pipe urban contemporary to Urban contemporary music
• "and the album's concept." → "and the concept."
• "debuted at number ten on" → "debuted at number 10 on"
• "Woman to Woman also peaked at" → "It also peaked at" to avoid using the title twice
• "The album was further promoted through" → "Further promotion was done by Cole through"

Background and development

• "her fourth studio album, titled" → "her fourth studio album"
• "The album spawned two singles," → "It spawned the two singles" to avoid overusage of commas
• Add chart after Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs
• "and also revealed that she had plans to" → "and also had plans to"
• "albums and described the album as a "return to her roots"" → "albums, and described it as a return "to her roots"" per the source
• The "her ladies" part is not backed up by the source
• "revealed that she planned on working with several artists such as" → "revealed she planned on working with several artists, such as"
• "Ester Dean, and Trey Songz, among others."
• [11][12] should be swapped to correspond with the information
• Mention the name of the reality television series since the source provides it

Recording and production

• Quote box looks good!
• Remove overly obvious link on Los Angeles
• I am confused about Chalice Recording Studios; is this part of Geffen's headquarters since and is used here even though more studios are listed afterwards? If not, change to a comma.
• Change New York to New York City (NYC) with no link
• Add a comma before "and Cole's home studio"
• Wikilink Cleveland to itself
• "The album's tracks were" → "The tracks were"
• "in New York City, New York and" → "in NYC and"
• "in Los Angeles, California." → "in Los Angeles."
• "Toxic and Ester Dean." → "Toxic, and Dean."
• "for the album." → "for Woman to Woman."
• "with since her second studio album," → "since her second studio album" because you use with earlier on in this sentence
• "who co-wrote several songs on the album." → "who co-wrote several of the songs."

•  Not done --K. Peake 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Thisis50 should not be italicised
• "that the album reflected around her musical growth and that she" → "that Woman to Woman reflected around her musical growth and she"
• "lives as well"." → "lives as well."" per MOS:QUOTE

Music and lyrics

• Remove pipe on hip hop
• "where she isn't appreciated," → "where she is not appreciated,"
• "Joseline Hernandez and Mimi Faust" → "Joseline Hernandez, and Mimi Faust"
• Pipe chorus to Refrain
• "know the rules?"." → "know the rules?"" per MOS:QUOTE

•  Not done --K. Peake 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• The post-breakup anthem quote is not sourced
• "that things couldn't work out." → "that things did not work out."
• "that sticks with the same type" → "that follows the same type"
• Remove wikilink on instrumentation

•  Not done --K. Peake 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Pipe jazzy soul to Soul jazz
• "she starts singing on the chorus," → "she starts singing the chorus of" since this is not a full sentence quoted
• "used to, own it"." → "used to, own it."" per MOS:QUOTE
• "man, and have a" → "man and have a"
• "with Elijah Blake that captures" → "with Blake that captures"
• Wikilink as snare drums
• Wikilink techno to itself
• Remove overly obvious wikilink on piano
• "the tenth track, "Hey Sexy"" → "the 10th track "Hey Sexy"" per MOS:NUM, but the 10th position is not sourced
• Pipe 1990s to 1990s in music
• "from Robin Thicke and centers around" → "from Robin Thicke, and centers around"
• "history who don't want to" → "history, who do not want to"
• "a love song about" → "is a love song about"
• "with lyrics such as these lines," → "with lines such as," but these are not sourced

Release and artwork

• "The album's cover artwork was" → "Its cover artwork was" with the pipe
• "photoshoot and the photoshoot took place" → "photoshoot, which took place"
• "in New York City, New York in celebration of the album" → "in NYC to celebrate Woman to Woman"
• "with people such as" → "with the likes of"
• "Michaela Angela Davis and" → "Michaela Angela Davis, and"
• If "it's literally me" is not the actual start of a sentence, remove the preceding colon
• "guaranteed her fans that they would like it," → "guaranteed the enjoyment of her fans," or something similar to avoid using "it" twice
• "The album was first expected" → "Woman to Woman was first expected"
• "to November 19," → "to November 19, 2012,"
• "On October 17," → "On November 2,"
• "for the album was held on November 5 in Los Angeles, California." → "for it was held in Los Angeles on November 5, 2012."

Promotion

• I'm not sure about this order; maybe singles should come first since they are more significant and the first one was before the first performance?

Live performances and tour

• "on BET on November 4." → "via BET on November 4, 2012."
• "On November 16, she" → "On November 16, 2012, Cole"
• "Big Jam event where" → "Big Jam event, where"
• "aired on BET on" → "aired through BET on"
• "On July 3, she performed" → "On July 3, 2013, Cole performed"
• "strong vocalists as acts on the tour," → "strong vocalists as support acts,"
• Remove pipe on Brandy
• Pipe Mateo to Iman Jordan

Singles

• "The album's lead single," → "The lead single from Woman to Woman,"
• Remove wikilink on "Enough of No Love"
• Remove wikilink on Lil Wayne
• "Debuting at number 94 on the" → "Debuting at number 94 on the US"
• Wikilink music video
• "rapping his verse will sitting atop a" → "rapping his verse sat atop a"
• Remove wikilink on "Trust and Believe"
• "number two on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 and peaked at number 32" → "number two on the US Bubbling Under Hot 100 and number 32"
• "The song's accompanying music video," → "The song's music video,"
• Pipe urban contemporary to Urban contemporary music
• "as the album's third single." → "as the third single of Woman to Woman."
• "on the Adult R&B Songs chart" → "on the US Adult R&B Songs chart" but the number of weeks is not sourced
• "The black-and-white music video," → "Its black-and-white music video," with the pipe
• "displayed a story of Cole" → "displays a story of Cole"
• Remove wikilink on BET
• Remove wikilink on 106 & Park

Critical reception

• Pipe About.com to Dotdash Meredith
• Change to Artistdirect with the wikilink
• "received generally positive reviews" → "was met with generally positive reviews"
• Remove pipe on music critics
• AllMusic should not be italicised
• Artistdirect should not be italicised
• ""essential record" and highlighted" → ""essential record", and highlighted"
• Pipe About.com to Dotdash Meredith
• Remove the stars rating from prose per the reviews box and only keep what he labeled it as
• "designated it "Album of the Week," summarizing that" → "designated Woman to Woman "Album of the Week", summarizing:"
• "that it "[threatened] to" → "that this "threaten[ed] to"
• "the lead-up, the aftermath."" → "the lead-up, the aftermath"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "viewing its theme as "strong" as well as" → "viewing the theme as "strong", as well as"
• "deemed it a" → "deemed the album a"
• "Dave DiMartino, writing for Rolling Stone," → "Dave DiMartino, for Rolling Stone,"
• "and turmoil" and considered it among her" → "and turmoil", and considered it among Cole's"
• "openness about herself."" → "openness about herself"."
• Pipe ballads to Sentimental ballad
• "and felt that she showed" → "and felt that she shows"

Accolades

• Italicise Soul Bounce
• "named it the year's third best record." → "named it the year's third best R&B record."
• "ranked it as" → "ranked the album as"
• "on the album as well as viewing the record as" → "on it, as well as identifying"

Commercial performance

• "top ten album in" → "top 10 album in" per MOS:NUM
• "debuting at number ten on the" → "debuted at number 10 on the US" and place this before the fifth consecutive part, changing that to becoming
• "chart with 96,000 copies" → "chart, with 96,000 copies"
• Remove the number 15 drop per WP:CHARTTRAJ
• "sold a total of 246,300 copies in the United States" → "had sold a total of 246,300 copies in the US" per MOS:US
• "those component charts as well as the" → "these component charts and the"

Track listing

• Pipe Vidal Davis to Dre & Vidal
• Should artists like Vidal and DJ Camper that are easily identified by their first introductions in songwriters be linked again under producers? If so, fix any redirects anyway.
• Pipe Darhyl Camper, Jr. to Darhyl Camper
• Pipe Ashanti Douglas to Ashanti (singer)

Credits and personnel

• Shouldn't these be sub-headings instead?
• Pipe Darhyl "DJ" Camper, Jr. to Darhyl Camper
• Pipe Carlos "Los" McKinney to Carlos McKinney
• Pipe Bink! to Bink! (record producer)
• Why is Humble Monsta after Bink!?
• Pipe mastering to Mastering (audio)

Charts

Weekly charts

• Is the Top R&B Albums re-entry really notable?

Year-end charts

• Good

Release history

• Deluxe is not sourced for the Japanese release
• Pipe Universal Japan to Universal Music Japan

References

• Copyvio score looks solid at 25.9%!!!
• Format ref 7 the same as the other Twitter ones
• Cite Rap-Up as work/website instead on refs 8, 9, 10, 51 and 56
• Cite Singersroom as publisher instead on refs 12, 27 and 59, only wikilinking on the first instance
• Cite BET as publisher instead on refs 13, 32, 46, 65 and 88 with the wikilink on the first instance
• Cite last name followed by first on ref 14
• Wikilink Geffen Records on ref 16
• Cite Sterling Sound as publisher instead and pipe to Sterling Sound Studios on ref 17
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 18
• Cite BroadwayWorld as publisher instead on ref 20
• Cite MTV News as publisher instead on ref 21
• Cite YouTube as via instead on ref 24
• Cite Artistdirect as publisher instead on ref 26
• Wikilink Rated R&B on ref 29 instead, citing as work/website on ref 45 too
• Wikilink Apple Music on ref 30
• Pipe Vibe to Vibe (magazine) on ref 33
• Cite Idolator as publisher instead on refs 34 and 77, only wikilinking on the first instance
• Wikilink iTunes Store on ref 35
• Add SoulTracks to ref 36 as publisher with the wikilink
• Cite ThisisRnB as work/website instead and fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 42
• Fix MOS:QWQ and MOS:CAPS issues with ref 47
• Cite Rap-Up as work/website instead and fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 54
• Complex Music → Complex on ref 61
• Remove Boston Globe Media from ref 62
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 68
• Remove or replace refs 69 and 73 per WP:RSP
• Cite ABC News Radio as publisher instead on ref 72
• Cite Yahoo! News as publisher instead on refs 75 and 108, only wikilinking on the first instance
• Cite Def Pen as publisher instead on refs 75 and 80
• Cite OnSmash as publisher instead on refs 79 and 84
• Add a work/publisher to ref 85 and why is it reliable?
• WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 86
• Cite Metacritic as publisher instead on ref 89
• Cite About.com as publisher and pipe to Dotdash Meredith on ref 90
• Cite AllMusic as publisher on refs 91 and 102 with the wikilink on the first instance
• Cite Billboard as work/website instead on ref 106
• Cite SOHH as publisher instead on refs 107 and 110
• Remove Tobias Zywietz publisher from ref 113
• Pipe Amazon to Amazon (company) on ref 117

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; the refs look a bit sloppy but the article is not far off! --K. Peake 10:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Fullmoon211 This article is not fully complete since you still need to change the United States to the US on the second instance, link Bink! to Bink (record producer) (sorry about the incorrect link before but why is Humble Monsta still there?), cite Brittney Walker's name last to first and remove PR Newswire. --K. Peake 10:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake I have now fixed all of these errors except for the last one as I feel that PR Newswire is a reliable source especially since its cited in multiple other GA articles. --Fullmoon211 (talk) 13:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Fullmoon211 You may have thought that, but WP:RSP lists it as unreliable so you must remove and sometimes things are missed in GA reviews; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS for why that reasoning is false. --K. Peake 14:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake Ok, I fixed it. I changed the first one sourcing Enough of No Love's radio/digital release to Directlyrics and the one providing information on the tour announcement to BroadwayWorld. --Fullmoon211 (talk) 15:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, this is definitely an improvement! --K. Peake 19:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Do NOT delete this page!

This article is developing. It's about to improve rapidly and majorly because the project is almost finished and will be released soon. Thank you! Manuel Mexico (talk) 7:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.180.27 (talk) 05:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The quality of the article!

To all that edit this page, I ask that NOTHING be removed without RELIABLE sources that has stated that something in the article is false. I've tried my best to compose this article, and I've done a perfect job based on information given about it at Interscope Records. I appreciate everyone that has tried to collaborate with all users and help the article be for the better, but it has turned to be a cluster of unnecessary information and opinionated material. However, I have rewritten the article, all the while attempting to use NECESSARY information and sources left by other users. Please don't vandalize my article. Thank you! Manuel Mexico (talk) 17:40, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Can I just point out that information on who's recording and producing the album is not listed in the sources. Additionally it is not verifiable to misinterpret or misrepresent the information which is present in the sources. Content removal is not acceptable particularly when content in the article is sourced and verfied with reliable sources and links. Finally this article is not yours, wikipedia is free and collaborative effort. Claiming ownership and not allowing others to edit is not the purpose of wikipedia and thus it is against the rules. The burdon of proof is to prove something is true rather than prove something isn't. Therefore someone adds "abc" without a source but then a source claims "xyz" the latter is accepted over the former.

The edits made add correct and verified information while removing speculation, original research and unsourced/unverfied information to make the page notable and verified. Could you please discuss what information now in the article you think is unecessary and opinionated? Quote here and we can discuss but outline removing it even though it has reliable sources would be considered a breach of rules and could lead to a block or ban. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 00:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)