Talk:Works based on a copyright-free Mickey Mouse

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Define the rules of this list.[edit]

I would like to proactively establish the rules for this list because I believe it could be susceptible to abuse. I consider any article from a reputable publication that mentions the project to be a legitimate "creative work." My criteria for determining a "reputable" publication is whether it has its own Wikipedia page. Jonastav89 (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have to reinvent the wheel here; Wikipedia already has guidelines for notability that are much like what you've proposed. Tisnec (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

I wonder if this article might be better off titled something else, although I'm not exactly sure what. The current phrasing feels like it's saying Mickey Mouse is the author. Maybe "List of works featuring Mickey Mouse in the public domain," or "List of non-Disney works featuring Mickey Mouse." The latter has a slightly larger scope, but I think it could be divided into "before" and "after" columns regarding public domain, and the former would contain works of satire (i.e., Mickey Mouse in Vietnam) or notable copyright infringers. At the very least, I think the word "creative" is redundant. Tisnec (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to rename it. I had great difficulty naming this to begin with. Maybe something like List of works of a Copyright-free Mickey Mouse of List of works of a Public Domain Mickey Mouse sound beter? Jonastav89 (talk) 23:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, alright. I like a challenge. I'll mull it over. Tisnec (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still stumped on this. I feel like we ought to be able to get it down to five words or so but I can't find the correct phrasing. I'll see if I can find a wiki-project to explain the problem to. Tisnec (talk) 01:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support expanding the scope of this list to "List of non-Disney works featuring Mickey Mouse" ; it's a short list anyways. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that was my thought too after soliciting input (thanks for weighing in here). And one of the other users pointed out that we don't need "List of" at the beginning if we want to get the title even shorter. Tisnec (talk) 02:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coming back here from a lengthy Teahouse discussion, so far Non-Disney works featuring Mickey Mouse seems the most promising, despite being slightly broader in scope. Blueskiesdry (talk) 02:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tisnec beat me to linking the thread, oh well. Blueskiesdry (talk) 02:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the thought that counts! Tisnec (talk) 02:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To me non-Disney works featuring Mickey Mouse seems to broad in scope, Are we mentioning every parody of the last 100 years? Does this include multiple South Park-episodes? I am honestly not in favor of this because the list will lose its focus then. Also it disregards the recent trend and uptick in media related to Mickey Mouse. I maybe then prefer seperating it in two different lists (even if it is in the same article) Non-Disney works featuring Mickey Mouse before 2024 and Non-Disney works featuring Mickey Mouse after 2024, so that January 1st 2024 remains a pivitol date seperating the works. That way the works that entered after it's public domain-status would still have a seperate spotlight.Jonastav89 (talk) 22:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has guidelines against the kind of cruft you're describing; see Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). If we went this route, I agree with you that two separate lists on the same page is the right path, although I'm not sure exactly what I would call them. "Before entering the public domain" and "after" would do the trick, I think. If you still think that's excessive then I'd be fine with the translated Dutch title in your comment below. Personally, I favor the "non-Disney works" route, but I'm not super attached to it. Tisnec (talk) 00:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Dutch wikipedia-page is renamed it Works based on copyright-free Mickey Mouse. How does that actually sound? Jonastav89 (talk) 22:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with this if you think "non-Disney works" is too broad. It communicates the idea unambiguously and isn't excessively long. Tisnec (talk) 00:12, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s definitely a start but it’s slightly clunky. I’d suggest Mickey Mouse in the public domain but it sounds too ambiguous. Blueskiesdry (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Checking in on this again. The conversation kind of stalled out without reaching any solid consensus other than that the current title isn't great. I suggest we just go with the English version of the Dutch title. How does that sound to people? Tisnec (talk) 00:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Jonastav89 (talk) 00:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed El Ratón Muelin-books[edit]

Maybe it is a bit strict but all other works mentioned of this list all contain some media coverage from a reasonbly well known news site or webblog. The only mentions i found of this book online is the Amazon purchase-page, the twitter anouncement and a mention of goodreads.

In my mind this is not enough to qualify inclussion on the list. If you disagree then feel free to discuss.Jonastav89 (talk) 11:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]