Talk:World and Olympic records set at the 2018 Winter Olympics

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Only one OR or WR can be presented per round[edit]

There's some confusion about this fact. I think Almagestas first introduced it a few days ago and I just went along with it. But I've been trying to find where the ISU have written it down in plain sight. Not so easy. However, in the meantime I have found some evidence of this rule in the file below. It's a bit tenuous but if you look to the bottom of this result sheet for short track speed skating, you will see the rule stated in the Note box. This is one of several results sheets I've found that all have the same thing at the bottom. Is this proof enough? I just typed in the line "Only one Olympic or world record can be presented in a single round" in Google and this is what came up.

https://www.pyeongchang2018.com/en/game-time/results/OWG2018/resOWG2018/pdf/OWG2018/STK/OWG2018_STK_C73A_STKM1000M-------------HEAT--------.pdf

Rodney Baggins (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Rodney Baggins and Almagestas: I added 2 world records before removing one to follow your example, but I strongly believe this is NOT convention. All records, as far as I know, whether ephemeral or not, are all listed. See Swimming at the 2009 World Aquatics Championships#World records ("Women's 50 metre backstroke semifinal" on July 29) and Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Olympic and world records broken as long-standing examples. I don't suggest changing that page (or related pages) without some consensus. 184.153.25.119 (talk) 06:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, the plot thickens... Well, maybe (1) someone has made a mistake on the swimming pages (it does happen) or (2) the rules have changed since back in 2008/9. All I can say is that the pdf files that I found (example above) clearly state the rule but I have still failed to find categorical proof thus far. It would be interesting to know what other people say on the matter... It's still early days, but maybe if this issue isn't resolved once the olympics are over, we should perhaps start an RfC and get WikiProject Olympics involved? It is rather important! Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I have just found the ISU's Special Regulations and Technical Rules for Speed Skating and Short Track Speed Skating 2016: https://www.isu.org/isu-statutes-constitution-regulations-technical/special-regulations-and-technical-rules/53-2016-special-regulations-and-technical-rules-speed-skating-and-short-track/file It is listed on the ISU website and seems to be the latest version of the rules.

See page 32, Section E. World Records. Rule 221, part 2. Conditions to be observed, part (h) reads as follows:

h) If the existing World Record is broken more than once on the same day in competition(s) at the same venue, only the best result obtained shall be recognized as a World Record. However, when the final classification for the 500m is decided based on the total time in two races, each 500m race is considered as a separate competition;

According to this rule, it doesn't just apply to a single round, it applies if more than one round (heats/quarter-finals/semi-finals/finals) takes place on the same day, i.e. only one WR can be set on that day. So this would have further repercussions for our tables if others agree.

It doesn't say anything about olympic records, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be the same. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Figure Skating missing Olympic Records[edit]

I noticed that Alina Zagitova's 158.08 score^[1] in the team event Ladies free skate isn't listed as a record anywhere. It is clearly the best score in a Ladies free skate in Olympic history. The only higher score ever was set by Evgenia Medvedeva in the 2017 ISU World Team Trophy in Figure Skating. The Figure skating at the 2018 Winter Olympics – Team event only lists Evgenia Medvedeva's World Record in the short program. Similarly, Yuzuru Hanyu's combined score in Men's and short program score in Men's are Olympic records as is Nathan Chen's free program score. The combined score for Aliona Savchenko / Bruno Massot was also an Olympic record. It seems consistent that we are only recognizing World Records, not Olympic Records in Figure Skating. Is that intentional?

References

^ http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/owg2018/OWG2018_TeamLadies_FS_F_Scores.pdf

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.196.172.237 (talk) 16:07, 21 February 2018‎ (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/owg2018/OWG2018_TeamLadies_FS_F_Scores.pdf

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