Talk:X-Men: Apocalypse

Not much information on the film

Please move this to an incubator for further editing, this should not be public as there is no real concrete details on the film itself involving casting, filming, ect. Thank you! 98.110.7.195 (talk) 01:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Gambit confirmed? Hugh Jackman's involvement?

Here's a source. Also,has Hugh Jackman been confirmed yet? Deadlines source had this as a 'premise': "Apocalypse takes place a decade after Days of Future Past and is a seamless next step in the story. The altering of time has unleashed a new and uniquely powerful enemy. Charles, Erik/Magneto, Raven/Mystique, Logan/Wolverine and Hank/Beast are joined by young Cyclops, Storm, Jean and others as the X-Men must fight their most formidable foe yet – an ancient unrelenting force determined to cause an apocalypse unlike any in human history." Npamusic (talk) 00:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Calltime.com is not a reliable source to trust, they often write wrong information regarding cast, so Gambit and Wolverine's appearance is still not confirmed yet by a reliable source as there is no official announcement regarding them yet.--Jockzain (talk) 01:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Stop reverting the edit of Ian, he has been confirmed by Patrick Stewart and I think, by now, someone, even Singer would tell us otherwise. 2601:85:4400:9BC8:547E:352E:B858:DB80 (talk) 16:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

he states "But Magneto, Ian McKellen, is certainly going to be in it." 2601:85:4400:9BC8:547E:352E:B858:DB80 (talk) 16:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

What about Halle Barry's possible cameo in the film as the older version of Storm? Has this been confirmed yet? Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk) 07:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

No.--Jockzain (talk) 10:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Nowhere it is stated that there will be older versions, so stop guessing about older versions. This film is going to be a part of the alternative 1980s timeline, not a time-travel movie like Days of Future Past. So everyone involved in this film will possibly have only one single version. Arka 92 18:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Channing Tatum confirms no involvement in the film.

During a Reddit AMA, Tatum confirmed he won't be featured in the film. Npamusic (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

And so we will not include the info! Kailash29792 (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

some people will still include the information regardless because well, they're dumb. Hopefully this stops it.Npamusic (talk) 22:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

McKellen information

So, why has the sourced information on Ian McKellan's involvement been removed? I understand he stated he won't be in the film, but the information should still be on the page simply because Patrick Stewart first spoke of his involvement in the film and then McKellan had to debunk it. It should still be noted on the page. Npamusic (talk) 05:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Because he dismissed it as a rumour. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Stryker (Josh Helman) is in the film

According to the cast when they appeared on Conan last night, William Stryker played by Josh Helman is in the movie. Not sure how to source it for inclusion in the cast list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.43.174.155 (talk) 12:30, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

If I was you i:'d find the footage and see exactly what was said, see if its online. It could be used as a source. Npamusic (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Here are a few sources: source 1 and [www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sBathjHVw4 source 2]. Npamusic (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

They were talking about that they goofing more on the set during the last one which was Days of Future Past.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 05:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

yes, before, but hes speaking of doing it a couple days ago; the exact quote is: McAvoy: "Not so much on this one but in fact you (Holt) had a fight with Josh and them the other day". Holt: "Yeah I shot Josh Helman who plays a William Strykr." - Conan even asks who he shot. Npamusic (talk) 13:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

That is still not a confirmation even if thats right, he could be just visiting the set and Hoult said he "plays" Stryker because he was Stryker in the previous film. He didn't specifically said he was in the film and since the previous film was mentioned by James McAvoy makes it unclear.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I just don't agree with you. He never said it in the past tense, and you're right, he never out right said he was in the film, but he definitely was not speaking in then past tense about them fighting on set. He said a couple days ago. The film is still shooting, any would he just be on set? That makes no sense, but anyway. Go back and listen again.. Npamusic (talk) 20:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

here's a official source. Npamusic (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Four Horsemen of Apocalypse confirmed

Here's the source for its inclusion: At San Diego Comic-Con 2015, it was revealed that the Four Horsemen in X-Men: Apocalypse are Psylock, Angel, Storm, and Magneto. Npamusic (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

@Npamusic: I am not being facetious in saying this: did you read the article you linked to? It's very clearly just the author coming up with theories. "These mutants, from the look of the trailer, will include the aforementioned Magneto, as well as Storm, Psylocke and Angel. Four of them, then. Four horsemen of the Apocalypse, perhaps?" The word "perhaps" alone should have been enough to tell you "nope, not confirmed". Sock (tock talk) 11:20, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I did read the article, what IM going off of the comments made by Oscar Issac during the panel when he singles out those four people. Npamusic (talk) 01:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Clearly, they are theories and people assume thats the four horsemen which could be 100% right! However, I saw the leaked trailer and they weren't labeled as the four horsemen of Apocalypse and Fox has yet to official name who are the four horsemen. So why do we need to describe Magneto, Psylocke, Warren and Mystique as the four horsemen when they are just using their assumptions and theories about the upcoming film. Nope, I say wait for official character descriptions.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

The Blob/Akkaba Clan in the film?

Here's the source. Npamusic (talk) 01:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Character Descriptions

@Hotwiki:, your comments in your edit summaries are not only inappropriate and rude, they are also outright false. For example, let's talk about this edit summary you left: " none of these sources imply that she's a horseman... and not all people have seen the leaked trailer and there's still no official list for the 4 Horsemen... so this is still under speculation)."

This is flat-out wrong to say that no sources have said she is a horseman. Look at the following source: X-Men: Apocalypse's Four Horsemen Revealed. That source clearly lists "Magneto, Storm, Psylocke, and Angel" as the four horsemen.

Another problem with your edits is that you claim the character descriptions are unsourced. Some of that is false, some of the character descriptions are supported by the sources, the only one that didn't have a source was Nightcrawler's teleporting ability, which I have just added a source for. But to be honest, their powers are all displayed in the previous X-Men films which proves these are factual, and I don't really see the need for a source.

The point is, you do not OWN this article. Just because people make edits you don't like, does not mean you get to make inappropriate, rude, and at times factually-inaccurate edit summaries. Edit summaries such as: "it doesn't matter if a couple of people or YOU are aware of someone's mutant powers, YOU GOTTA PUT A SOURCE TO BACK YOUR INFORMATION! WIKIPEDIA 101! geez" and "she's still a love interest? news to me, put a legit source if you want to include information, that Wikipedia 101 newbie!" are completely unacceptable. SuperCarnivore591 (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Comic-book.com is not affiliated with 20th Century Fox nor a credible site, mind you its a fan-site. No one from the crew or from 20th Century Fox has released an official line-up for the 4 Horsemen of Apocalypse. People assume that Psylocke/Magneto/Storm/Angel are the 4 horsemen because they are standing alongside Apocalypse in the trailer, which could be right, however, no one from the crew/cast members nor the trailer stated that its really the 4 Horsemen of Apocalypse. That trailer was not even officially released to the public. So speculation territory. And doesn't matter if their powers were already showcased in the other films, this is not about the previous films. You put this article for review, and users would question this article for lack of source for the character descriptions. And I don't have a problem with people editing this article, I just have a problem with users like you who don't know to back-up information or who don't use reliable sources. Comic-book.com is not a reliable site for one. And pot meet keetle, if you are accusing me of owning this article if I have problems with your edits, who's being inappropriate and rude now?--SuperHotWiki (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Nothing rude about what I said, your edit summaries gave me a feeling that that was the mindset you had, particularly the pompous ALL CAPS and exclamation marks. Also, just because everyone hasn't "seen" the trailer, which is what you used in one of your edit summaries and what you're using here as a reason to remove it, doesn't give anyone justification for it. Anyone can freely see the trailer if they want to, there is more than one website that currently lets you view it. And if you don't feel that Comic-book.com is a reliable source, CinemaBlend definitely is reliable, and they too have confirmed that Magneto is one of Apocalypse's four horsemen, as well as Psylocke, Angel and Storm. SuperCarnivore591 (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, just because its common knowledge, it doesn't mean it can be added here right away without including a source? And you are only "adding" sources NOW when I questioned your edits. Second, Fox hasn't officially released the official trailer nor they official identified the official 4 Horsemen of Apocalypse nor given official power descritions. And a lot of reliable sites speculate everytime a footage is screened at the Comic-Con, but that does make their information official? no. I highly suggest you wait for the official descriptions which we would be written in the film's official site instead of gathering information from different sites which are only basing their description in previous films that they saw or a leaked trailer.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 16:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

No, I added several sources before but since they obviously didn't satisfy you, I added more in an attempt to compromise instead of blindly reverting, which is what you have done. These reliable sources aren't speculation, all of them are confirming who the four horsemen are, because it's blindly obvious. SuperCarnivore591 (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

You mean using a fan-site as your source... then adding words that weren't even mentioned in the source that you posted? Okay. I cannot wait for the official character descriptions from 20th Century Fox so we don't have to argue whether your sources can be used or not.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Hotwiki, Enough is enough. You very clearly have WP:COMPETENCE issues when it comes to film articles regarding WP:SPECULATION, on what is a violation and what isn't. These aren't gossip sites that are opining that the four horsemen might be these characters, these are reliable sources who've gotten confirmation from people they've talked to, as well as the fact that the trailer confirmed it. Also, it is mentioned that Moira MacTaggert is a CIA Agent in the Entertainment Weekly source I linked to, and that she's been tracking Apocalypse, so that isn't "speculation", it's verifiable fact, reported by reliable sources. Get consensus for your reverts, or stop making them. SuperCarnivore591 (talk) 20:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Theories, speculation and trivial information. 20th Century Fox has yet to reveal the official line-up for the 4 Horsemen of Apocalypse, anything else is theories from people who saw the trailer that was shown in 2015 Comic-Con. The only reason why I see your edits being kept is no one cares to remove them except for me. Though I would like to see you put this article for "review" and lets see if no one questions this article for the information that you included here, including character description from previous films. And just because you are using "reliable" sites, (well you just used a fansite as your source which is a big no no)... it doesn't mean it should be included here right away. This is not a news site for your information.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 02:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Please don't distort the facts. I'm using Cinema Blend as my source, which is a reliable source and a legitimate movie news website, not a "fansite" as you call it. Saying that 20th Century Fox hasn't revealed the "official line-up" of the Four Horsemen is essentially a red herring, as when they released the trailer at Comic-Con, it very clearly and obviously revealed who the Four Horsemen were. Not one website is arguing that those characters are not the Four Horsemen. SuperCarnivore591 (talk) 02:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

You just used comicbookmovie.com as your source in one of your edits and that site is a fansite. And I'm correct that 20th Century Fox has yet to reveal the official line-up... you are basically using "sources" filled by the author's "own" assumption and theories. Does NOT matter if their theories or assumptions are correct... Fox didn't hand them out the official line-up nor Bryan Singer and the cast members confirmed the identity of these 4 horsemen. The fact that you don't get this makes your contributions so questionable.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 09:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

If I can offer an opinion... In general, I don't consider something confirmed (and therefore reliably encyclopedic) unless there is absolutely no explanation to the contrary. The trailer does not confirm that those four characters are the horsemen, only that they, at some point in the film, stand next to and behind Apocalypse. It could mean something other than "these characters are the horsemen." At the same time, it's very likely that these characters are the horsemen. For now, we can refrain from identifying these characters and in particular as the horsemen and instead write a sentence in the marketing section of the film attached to the comic-con trailer, something along the lines of "The trailer appeared to identify w,x,y, and z as the four horsemen of the apocalypse, but this has not been confirmed yet." (sorry, can't remember all four names). Just a thought. -Rmaynardjr (talk) 21:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

The one source that could be used is Oscar Isacc's quotes during Comic-Con 2015

having that Physlock, Magneto, Angel, and Storm are the Four Horsemen. Here is the source. Npamusic (talk) 01:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Possible Jackman in this film, watch for better sources

Collider.com reported that Hugh Jackman is apparently set to film reshoots to add Wolverine into Apocalypse, but the report originates from Le Journal de Montréal, which is a Canadian tabloid news paper, making it about as reliable at Daily Mail. Just wanted everyone to be aware so we can keep our eyes peeled for some more solid confirmation. Sock (tock talk) 00:43, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Can this article mention the rumors of Jackman's possible involvement, or is that even appropriate?Pistongrinder (talk) 18:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The least that can be done is, mentioning that this is the first X-Men film not to feature Wolverine. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree, but because of all the swirling speculation, surrounding Hugh Jackman and Channing Tatum for that matter, I think such a mention should only come after the film is released. Anything sooner would be premature.Pistongrinder (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

At Comic Con, I think Jackman said that he has been in every X-Men film until (he did not mention Apocalypse) but Singer said "Yeah". Should we make mention of that? Using that source, we could write that this is the first X-Men film not to feature Jackman. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The fact that nobody, including Singer, is confirming or denying the rumors of a Jackman cameo means that we just don't know. It looks like multiple parties are doing their very best to keep it a well-kept secret. Either scenario seems plausible at this point, which is why I believe it's best to wait until May 27. The fan in me hates to wait that long to find out, but for the integrity of Wikipedia, it is best to be sure and not make an inaccurate statement. If there's no Jackman on screen, then we make the mention.Pistongrinder (talk) 18:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

If he's not in the film, no need to mention it here, its trivial not encyclopedic. Its not like he was contacted to appear in the film and declined. But I agree to the user above me, we should wait until the film is released if he's there or not if there's really no legit confirmation about it.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 08:45, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

EW cover story

Something new from EW. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Apocalypse as Krishna

Source. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Storm

While I completely agree with all of the above that news sites are legitimate sources according to Wikipedia's policies--Fox is certainly not the only source of news on their own movies--have any sources confirmed Storm as Kenyan as is currently in the article? In the comics, Storm is the daughter of an American father and a Kenyan mother. She's born in New York City and as a kid moves to Egypt. Since making her Kenyan would be a pretty departure from the source, I think that if there are sources than it's really notable and needs vetting. Sketchee (talk) 01:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Suggested sources

• [1]. Hula Hup (talk) 21:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Caliban confirmed for film.

Here's the source, should be added to the cast section. I know he's noted under Psylocke, but still an additional mention of him below everyone would be welcomed. Npamusic (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Bryan Singer latest interview

With Collider. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Plot

The plot summary for this movie has been undergoing a lot of changes in the past day and still needs some work. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Two questions

Is the name "Kurt Wagner" used in the film, and if so, shouldn't the references to him in the plot section be "Kurt" and not "Nightcrawler"?

Either way is fine, as long as there is consistency with all the characters. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 02:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Is Archangel definitely killed, or is he severely wounded and "killed" is an interpretation? -- Tenebrae (talk) 22:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I get the impression that he is killed. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 03:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Saw the film last night. Kurt and Alex use both their regular names and their code names within the film. Angel and Psylocke are given no other names. Scott Summers, Hank McCoy, Ororo Munroe, Peter Maximoff, Erik Lehnsherr, Raven and En Sabah Nur are not called by code names within the film, but the end-credits give both sets of names. Jean Grey has only her regular name. The name "Archangel" is never used. Hugh Jackman is uncredited, and is known only as Weapon X here. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Make up your minds

Is Apocalypse dead or banished? It seems to be going back and forth between the two. 50.65.227.24 (talk) 23:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he's dead. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 02:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Budget

Business Insider has the budget on $234 mil, but Fox reported $178 mil. Two recent sources with that number: http://deadline.com/2016/05/x-men-apocalypse-alice-through-the-looking-glass-memorial-day-box-office-preview-1201762180/ http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x-men2016.htm Number seems in line with what they spend on Days of Future Past. A quarter of the budget for DOFP went to the cast. This time they have a relatively cheap cast. 145.101.136.103 (talk) 08:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

wrong plot

In the plot section it says that Magneto killed the cops with the coin from Shaw but that is incorrect. He uses his daughters locket from around her neck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.112.210.93 (talk) 03:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Dazzler "cameo" cut?

I don't recall this record-store scene in the movie. Does anyone? http://movieweb.com/x-men-apocalypse-dazzler-easter-egg-photo/ .--Tenebrae (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

For the record, the official credits from Fox

The major credits only; thousands of people were involved

• TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX Presents In Association with MARVEL ENTERTAINMENT and TSG ENTERTAINMENT "X-MEN: APOCALYPSE "
• Directed by BRYAN SINGER
• Screenplay by SIMON KINBERG
• Story by BRYAN SINGER & SIMON KINBERG & MICHAEL DOUGHERTY & DAN HARRIS
• Produced by SIMON KINBERG, p.g.a., BRYAN SINGER, HUTCH PARKER, p.g.a., LAUREN SHULER DONNER
• Executive Producers STAN LEE, TODD HALLOWELL, JOSH McLAGLEN
• Director of Photography NEWTON THOMAS SIGEL, ASC
• Production Designer GRANT MAJOR
• Film Editors JOHN OTTMAN, ACE; MICHAEL LOUIS HILL
• Co-Producers JASON TAYLOR, JOHN OTTMAN
• Visual Effects Designed by JOHN DYKSTRA
• Music byJOHN OTTMAN
• Costume Designer LOUISE MINGENBACH
• Casting by ROGER MUSSENDEN, CSA

• JAMES McAVOY, MICHAEL FASSBENDER, JENNIFER LAWRENCE, OSCAR ISAAC, NICHOLAS HOULT, ROSE BYRNE , EVAN PETERS, TYE SHERIDAN, SOPHIE TURNER, OLIVIA MUNN, KODI SMIT-McPHEE, ALEXANDRA SHIPP, LUCAS TILL, JOSH HELMAN, BEN HARDY LANA CONDOR, ŽELJKO IVANEK, ANTHONY KONECHNY

• A BAD HAT HARRY / KINBERG GENRE / HUTCH PARKER / DONNERS' COMPANY Production
• A BRYAN SINGER Film
• "X-MEN: APOCALYPSE "

• Unit Production Manager KATHLEEN MCGILL
• First Assistant Director JOSH McLAGLEN
• Second Assistant DirectorBETHAN MOWAT
• Second Unit Director BRIAN SMRZ
• Co-Producer BLONDEL AIDOO

CAST

• Professor Charles Xavier JAMES McAVOY
• Erik Lehnsherr / Magneto MICHAEL FASSBENDER
• Raven / Mystique JENNIFER LAWRENCE
• Hank McCoy / Beast NICHOLAS HOULT
• En Sabah Nur / Apocalypse OSCAR ISAAC
• Moira Mactaggert ROSE BYRNE
• Peter Maximoff / Quicksilver EVAN PETERS
• Col. William Stryker JOSH HELMAN
• Jean Grey SOPHIE TURNER
• Scott Summers / Cyclops TYE SHERIDAN
• Alex Summers / Havok LUCAS TILL
• Kurt Wagner / Nightcrawler KODI SMIT-McPHEE
• Angel BEN HARDY
• Ororo Monroe / Storm ALEXANDRA SHIPP
• Jubilee LANA CONDOR
• Psylocke OLIVIA MUNN
• Horseman - Pestilence WARREN SCHERER
• Horseman - Famine ROCHELLE OKOYE
• Horseman – Death MONIQUE GANDERTON
• Horseman – War FRASER AITCHESON
• Lead Conspiracy Guard ABDULLA HAMAM
• Conspirator Guards HESHAM HAMMOUD, ANTONIO DANIEL HIDALGO
• High Priest AL MAINI
• Old Apocalypse BERDJ GARABEDIAN
• Scott’s Teacher ALLY SHEEDY
• School Jock ANTHONY KONECHNY
• School Cheerleader EMMA ELLE PATERSON
• Fight Announcer MANUEL SINOR
• Defeated “Blob” GUSTAVE OUIMET
• Electric Panel Guard LUKAS PENAR
• Mr. Summers RYAN HOLLYMAN
• Mrs. Summers JOANNE BOLAND
• Tab Girl ERIKA HEATHER MERGL
• Falafel Shop Owner NABEEL EL KHAFIF
• Clan Akkaba Leader MANUEL TADROS
• Clan Akkaba Disciples ABANOUB ANDRAOUS, ALADEEN TAWFEEK
• Magda CAROLINA BARTCZAK
• Nina T.J. McGIBBON
• Cairo Shoe Shop Vendor DAVIDE CHIAZZESE
• Milosz SEBASTIAN NASKRENT
• Polish Worker BORIS SICHON
• Lead Polish Inspector MARTIN SKOREK
• Jakob KAMIL ORZECHOWSKI
• Polish Police Archer MICHAEL TERLECKI
• Threatening Cairo Vendor AHMED OSMAN
• Egyptian Street Vendors ZIAD GHANEM, MOATAZ FATHI
• Caliban TÓMAS LEMARQUIS
• CNN Reporter JAMES LOYE
• Ms. Maximoff ZERHA LEVERMAN
• News Anchor HERB LUFT
• Himself STAN LEE
• Herself JOANIE LEE
• Pentagon General Hastings STEPHEN BOGAERT
• Pentagon General Radford JOHN BOURGEOIS
• Pentagon General Fields CONRAD COATES
• Defense Secretary Weisberg DAN LETT
• Military Official Brown ADRIAN G. GRIFFITHS
• Military Submarine Official SHAWN CAMPBELL
• Air Force Official JOE COBDEN
• Foyer Student HENRY HALLOWELL
• Fish Bowl Girl DANIELLE DURY
• Kissing Girl NAOMI FRENETTE
• Kissing Guy AJ RISI
• Computer Guy RAPHAEL DURY
• Darts Guy IAN ROSENBERG
• Pizza Dog TAUNTAUN
• Students in Drapes MARY-PIER GAUDET, JOSH MADRYGA, SCOTT COOK, ALLEN KENG, TALLY RODIN
• Table Surfing Students FRANCIS LIMOGES, TSU-CHING YU
• Alkali Soldier KARL WALCOTT
• Alkali Guard DESMOND CAMPBELL
• Alkali Communications Officer IAN GELDART
• Confused Tech JOHN OTTMAN
• Kenyan Teacher LINDA JOYCE NOURSE
• Pentagon Scientist ŽELJKO IVANEK
• Fishing Boat Captain CHRISTOPHER MACCABE
• Fishermen CHRIS CAVENER, RONALD TREMBLAY
• Harbor MasterJOSEPH BELLEROSE
• Harbor Employee PHILIPPE HARTMANN
• Russian Submarine Sailors SEBASTIEN TELLER, ALEXANDER PEGANOV
• US Weapons Technicians SIMON THERRIEN, PATRICE MARTRE
• Mystery Man JAMES MALLOCH

--Tenebrae (talk) 17:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Apocalypse is not a telepath

It was stated in the film he wasn't and according to Singer he only has superhuman persuasion.--Man of Sin (talk) 12:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Don't know if you're also 173.71.115.195 or another fellow editor with the same concern. As I'd mentioned to 173.71.115.195, the current wording doesn't say Apocalypse is a telepath. It only says, "En Sabah Nur enters Xavier's mind while Xavier is using the mutant-locating computer Cerebro," which I suppose could be reworded to to say "enters Xavier's mind by using the mutant-locating computer Cerebro" or some such. What do other editors think?

However, anything Singer or anyone else may have said offscreen really can't be mentioned in the plot, the synopsis of which can only state what is manifestly depicted and stated onscreen. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

At the time the cast list was saying he was a telepath. As for the Cerebro: He didn't enter into Charles mind. He just took over Cerebro and empowered him as that is what Cerebro does. Charles even mentions his power increasing in that scene. I don't see how taking control of Cerebro would give him the power to enter the user's mind nor is it stated in the film. Man of Sin (talk) 06:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, again. I gather from this edit that Man of Sin and 173.71.115.195 are the same person. That's fine, as long as everyone's aware, but it's less confusing if you use one name throughout.

As you note, the cast list no longer calls En Sabah Nur a telepath. So that's one issue down.

The plot currently reads: "En Sabah Nur enters Xavier's mind while Xavier is using the mutant-locating computer Cerebro and, co-opting Xavier's powers, forces the global superpowers to launch their entire nuclear arsenals into space to prevent interference." Let me ask this question: How does En Sabah Nur take over Cerebro? --Tenebrae (talk) 15:21, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

He took over Cerebro like he took over the television earlier in the film: He has control over machines.173.71.115.195 (talk) 20:16, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok. So next question: Are you saying he used Cerebro, which is only a mutant-locating device, to launch the nuclear arsenals? I'm not sure how a locating device could do that. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Cerebro itself doesn't locate Mutants, it increases Charles powers and he locates them himself. Apocalypse used Cerebro to increased Charles' power (hence why he says "I've never felt power like this before") and seduced Charles into controlling the men to launching the weapons. It's similar to what he did with Storm, who was against the plan until she was empowered. Or like how he seduced Psylocke with the promise of power.173.71.115.195 (talk) 05:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Would this be accurate then: "En Sabah Nur remotely accesses Cerebro, a brainwave-amplifying device Xavier uses to locale mutants. Through it, he forces the telepathic Xavier to convince the global superpowers to launch their entire nuclear arsenals into space to prevent interference with En Sabah Nur's plan." --Tenebrae (talk) 04:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Better. But use "seduces" instead of "forces" and mention Xavier snapping out of it. And Apocalypse got rid of the weapons so that the "weak" would not have an unfair advantage over the "strong". It's explicitly stated in the film.173.71.115.195 (talk) 21:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

"Seduces" seems interpretive and has a sexual connotation. If Xavier is doing something he doesn't want to do, the most neutral way of saying it is that he's being forced. Also, "got rid of the weapons so that the 'weak' would not have an unfair advantage over the 'strong'" also seems interpretive and doesn't make sense: If the "strong" are complaining that the "weak" have an advantage, then the "weak" are actually the strong ones. Is there anything inaccurate in the statement that he doesn't want nuclear arsenals interfering in his plan? --Tenebrae (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Seduce doesn't necessarily have a connotation. But how about "brainwashes"? The weapons thing isn't interpretive, Apocalypse himself rants about it in the film a few times. It does make sense in a way, humans have weapons like guns but no one says we are stronger than animals like a gorilla. Nothing in the film says that he did because it was going to interfere with his plan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.115.195 (talk) 07:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

"Brainwashes" is great. Perfect word. As to the other thing, I think you're overdetailing. The ultimate effect is getting the nuclear arsenals out of the way. Why does he do that? To prevent interference with his plan. So how about: "En Sabah Nur remotely accesses Cerebro, a brainwave-amplifying device Xavier uses to locale mutants. Through it, he brainwashes the telepathic Xavier to convince the global superpowers to launch their entire nuclear arsenals into space to prevent interference with En Sabah Nur's plan." --Tenebrae (talk) 12:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

His plan to send the world back to the bronze age. So it would be better to say "to further his plan to rid the world of modern civilization".173.71.115.195 (talk) 04:59, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree that that is his overall plan, but that's not specifically why he wants to get rid of the nuclear weapons. He wants to get of them so that they're not used on him. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't recall that being stated in the film.173.71.115.195 (talk) 09:11, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused. There is literally no other reason for a would-be conquerer to get rid of weapons unless he didn't want them used on him. --Tenebrae (talk) 10:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Judging from his rant in that scene it seems like it was just to further his plans to get rid of technology.173.71.115.195 (talk) 11:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

That's a POV interpretation. He didn't have Xavier order people to throw their toasters into the trash or their computer into landfills. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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Mr. Sinister

Why is there no mention of him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.232.178.210 (talk) 21:21, 31 May 2018 (UTC)