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New Wave?[edit]

XTC is labelled a "New Wave band". Surely, that is true only of their early work?. Wouldn't "Pop" be a better label? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.17.3.210 (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

UKIP[edit]

"Making plans for Nigel" is being used by the EU-critical party UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) of Nigel Farage . Any more details about that / the reaction of the band? See here f.e.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGNoZfvRoA&NR=1&feature=endscreen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.134.136 (talk) 04:07, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Moulding[edit]

Can someone please explain to me the sentence that states that "Life Begins At The Hop" was Moulding's debut as a songwriter. Surely his songs on 3DEP (eg, Dance Band), White Music (eg, Set Myself On Fire) and Go2 (eg, Crowded Room) came first? Or does it simply mean it was his debut on the pop charts? That's unclear to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.146.157 (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Egghead[edit]

I hope I'm asking this question at the right place on this site. The song "Mayor of Simpleton" was featured in a short on a children's TV show that aired on HBO back in the 80's. I think the name of the show was "Egghead" it was aired on Noggin a few years back. Does anyone know the name of the show and/or the short? I think it should be added to the "other notes" section of your wonderful bandography. Well-done on this whole collaboration! (by the way) Dana FL, USA 18 August 2006

Editing conflicts[edit]

I would ask respectfully that the person who keeps viciously editing the final paragraph on XTC's career justify themselves here. The end of this article requires a summative assessment. The factual elements in the recently extended ending recently have also been purged mistakenly, in my view, so that at this point, it reads very poorly indeed.

I also regret the recent editing of the first sentence, which is now an opening that reads with unbearable restrait. "XTC is a band from Swindon, UK;" Is that going to be it? Surely Wikipedia is a more mature encyclopedia than this.

Unfortunately, I suspect vanity on the part of the original author is the problem, and if this is the case, I would humbly suggest that such an attitude is holding back the development of the XTC Wikipedia entry.

Thoss 00:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Collaborations[edit]

I may be severely mistaken, but I seem to remember that XTC collaborated with a dance act a few years ago to create a single called "Fly on the Wings of Love" - Does anyone know who this artist was? I remember seeing it noted as Annia, or Chucky, or some such alias. JFactor 02:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

xtm feat chucky and ,yes xtc feat ania - t ali 25/02/06

"Fly On the Wings of Love" was by "XTM & DJ Chucky Presents Annia", sometimes credited as various permutations of that. Not related to XTC. See this page: XTM for more details. Ahkond 02:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Smash Hits' cover image[edit]

I've added an image of XTC on the cover of a 1980 edition of Smash Hits but after uploading it and added it to the page I'm having second thoughts on whether it actually is XTC - the original image file was mis-labelled as The Vapors but it looks more like XTC to me. If anyone can identify them as not being XTC then feel free to remove it and leave a note on my talk page and I'll either get it deleted or add it to the appropriate band-article (if there is one). Ian Dunster 13:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's definitely XTC. Clockwise from upper left: Partridge, Gregory, Moulding, Chambers. Ahkond 23:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it was! - LOL! Thanks for letting me know. Ian Dunster 08:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Kind of a crappy picture. "Guys, I want you to look as bored as possible. Perfect!" - Justin 20:32, 24 May 2006

Unusual album covers[edit]

It might be interesting to note that some of their (vinyl) album covers were quite out of the norm:

  • Black Sea came in a well fitting black plastic bag with carrying handles
  • The Big Express was cut round instead of square

I think there was at least one more album with with such oddities, but I don't remember right now...

(And I must admit that the one in the bag sparked my curiosity back then and caused me to buy it without knowing what's behind it, really - now I am an XTC fan :)

Tempel 05:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My copy of Black Sea came in a lime-green paper bag with black Gothic lettering on one side. I've still got it but it's getting a bit tatty now. Ian Dunster 17:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're right about the green paper; photos are available at http://chalkhills.org/reelbyreal/a_BlackSea.html. I have never seen any evidence to support the black plastic bag story. Ahkond 18:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's on the left of the green paper one on the site you linked above - the one labelled 'UK Black Sea LP with black bag' - at least I presume that's the one - doesn't say if it's plastic tho'. Ian Dunster 23:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! Thanks for pointing that out. Ahkond 02:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Ian, that's the plastic bag I meant. I may still have it in a box in the basement - I shall seek it and post a picture if I still have got it Tempel 16:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Go2 album came with an inner sleeve with words on it that you had to position correctly on the album cover itself to be able to read that all the way through. The singles were even better and I have them all. "This World Over" came with a set of postcards. "Making Plans For Nigel" had a gameboard and spinner. "No Thugs In Our House had a stage and cut-out charatcters to play with. "Senses Working Overtime" had a layered sleeve. "Sgt. Rock" had a fold-out poster as a record sleeve.EmersonShiff (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My CD for Nonsuch has the castle artwork silk screened directly, in gold, onto the case lid. The booklet cover is just plain red with XTC and Nonsuch at the top. Limited edition UK & Japan versions only, I believe. In addition, the King For A Day 3" cd single was housed in a special crown shaped sleeve. Once again, Uk import only. Least we forget the 3D EP was in 3D!

Question about "Senses Working Overtime" Chart Position[edit]

The Wiki article mentions that Senses Working Overtime was a Top 10 hit in 1982. Any chance someone could reference where it was a Top 10 hit? I'm in the U.S., and though I was aware of the song, I never heard it on the radio. A visit to the Billboard site: 

  http://billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=6063&model.vnuAlbumId=18863

...seems to indicate that it didn't hit their charts at all. Was the song a Top 10 hit in the U.K.? If someone could post a reference that would be great. --Gmaletic 18:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The link above does states that "This search queries a limited selection of Billboard charts and is limited to 20 years worth of data", so even if Senses Working Overtime (released 1982) had charted it would not be shown. Memphisto 12:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


According to 'The Great Rock DiscographyCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).' it was released in Jan82 in the UK and reached number 10. It was released in the U.S. in May82 and failed to chart.2.218.99.182 (talk) 15:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

XTC UK singles chart positions here: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.50.207 (talk) 19:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Question about Erica Wexler chronology[edit]

In his notes to the Fuzzy Warbles series, Partridge writes that both "Seagulls Screaming..." and "Another Satellite" address his relationship with Erica Wexler. "Seagulls" appeared on The Big Express (1984), while "Satellite" shows up on Skylarking - so the statement that it was around the time of Oranges and Lemons (1989) that AP and EW's relationship began would appear to be in error. Of course, the word "relationship" is ambiguous: clearly, "Seagulls" expresses desire (unfulfilled) while "Satellite" pulls away from one - perhaps the phrase should be clarified to say that the relationship began openly at that time? (Or whatever actually happened - I'm not that obsessed with Andy's personal life!) A source would be a good idea...--2fs 05:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation of the name[edit]

how do you pronounce the name - as three separate letters, or like "ecstasy"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.226.162.245 (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Like the three letters in the English alphabet [2]. Olof

Flag[edit]

Does anyone mind if I remove the flag icon? It carries no extra information and makes the article look a little dumbed-down in my opinion. WP:FLAGCRUFT is an essay which gives more information on why proliferating flag icons across articles is a bad idea. --Guinnog 04:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear God[edit]

I am trying to expand the article on "Dear God," currently a stub, and I would like some help from XTC fans on possibly locating the original source of a particular quote. (See the talk page for the details.) marbeh raglaim 12:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other notes?[edit]

The "Other notes" section is, for all intents and purposes, a trivia section. As such, it violates Wikipedia policy. The content of that section needs to be integrated into the article or deleted---and since a great deal of it is "this song appeared in this show or movie"-type cruft, it should just go. ---Cathal 22:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Nice word choice[edit]

Also good tone, especially for a RockStar article. Who wrote this? Good job! ~ Otterpops 16:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Several people wrote this. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 18:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Past Tense[edit]

It's conflicting to speak of the band in a past tense from the point of this article and yet identify Moulding and Partridge as present members. Discuss? Speedster239 (talk) 05:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More than one reference states the band is defunct. It is fine to unify the article into past tense. - Steve3849 talk 04:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The band are broken up; they are no more; they are kaput. Hence, the past tense. Stop changing it, for Pete's sake. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where did "Where Did The Ordinary People Go?" go?[edit]

The Colin Moulding-written Where Did The Ordinary People Go? was released as a digital download on Idea in Dec 2005. Does it deserve a mention or is it already covered? ~~Mikey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.58.233.129 (talk) 12:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As it is not an XTC song, why would it be discussed here? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

actually, it was released under the name xtc in 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.240.111 (talk) 02:49, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

XTC are/is[edit]

Bands in British English are not referred to in the singular and as XTC are from the UK this article should follow British English conventions. I have amended where necessary and amended American spelling (the article was switching between use of singular and plural). Vauxhall1964 (talk) 00:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good call, Vauxhall1964, I wish I had noticed those mistakes myself. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Band photo[edit]

Andy Partridge, Colin Moulding, Terry Chambers, Barry Andrews, Toronto, 3 October, 1978 Photo: Jean-Luc Ourlin

The last band photo that I placed, a year or two ago, wasn't accurate. There were some band members there, but also friends, girlfriends and the like. I attempted to rectify that, but in doing so, since there were two photos nearly identical, I uploaded the wrong one. So until I can get the other one (on the article right this minute) switched over to Creative Commons this one here is a free image. Perhaps someone with some skill in trimming photos can help me --I have access to about a dozen photos, to get pics for two of the band members. I already just placed the guitarist's photo as well, and the drummer already had a photo on his page. Please leave a note on my talk page if you are interested in helping extract the two other bandmates' photos. Thanks.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello folks, the photo in the infobox should be OK now, if someone can contact someone at Commons, since it's also been changed to a free image. Both are acceptable for use. Perhaps once the people who run Commons realize this, we can use this one here on this talk page and perhaps extract at least one photo for one that's missing for the two band members who still lack photos. Can somebody contact Commons? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 08:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV[edit]

It is a pity that unsourced, POV wording has slowly crept into this article. I suggest that less opinionated and biased fancruft; and more verified, referenced text; would take this article away from reading rather like a fansite and more towards an encyclopedic style. Thank you,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Without specific examples and suggestions, this is not a particularly helpful note, and is likely to be ignored. Do you have any concrete notions on what needs to be changed? 70.29.14.129 (talk) 03:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How did they get their name?[edit]

How did XTC get their name? Do the initials actually stand for anything? As far as I can see, this information is not covered in the article. It would be a great improvement to the article if - if any one does know how they got their name - this went quite near the beginning of the article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 13:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Andy got the initial inspiration from a Jimmy Durante film wherein Durante exclaims, "I am in ECS-T-SY!" and it sounded like three letters. memphisto 14:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

XTC's last concert in their touring years.[edit]

Contrary to the page as it is when I write this, XTC's last concert was NOT prior to April 2, 1982. They played one concert the very next day at California Theatre, San Diego, CA, US; THAT was their last concert, though they did play live on Letterman's TV show later on and made some TV appearances before the break-up in the midle of thefirst decade of the 2000s.

Source: http://www.optimismsflames.com/Gigs%20Text%20Only.htm#1982 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.184.253 (talk) 02:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Dave Mattacks ?[edit]

Someone added Dave Mattacks as a member of the band - without any evidence. In the article Mattacks is only mentioned as a session drummer - and in the article on Dave Mattacks himself there is no mention or evidence that he was ever a member of XTC. If this should be the case, please provide evidence. Albrecht Conz (talk) 04:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ska influences, influences in general[edit]

This was removed from the infobox: ska[1]

I'm noting that there's little in the article about their musical influences. Perhaps that could be addressed. As for the ska-influence, "From the stiff-jointed, ska-influenced new wave of their early years, Mr. Partridge and Mr. Moulding blossomed. " http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/09/arts/music-adventurous-punk-of-a-troubled-past.html --Ronz (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are myriad reprints of news articles related to XTC available at the Chalkhills site. I don't know if any of them discuss dub influences but that would be the first place to start.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 04:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Halfyard, Janet. Danny Elfman's Batman: A Film Score Guide. Scarecrow Press. p. 6. ISBN 978-0810851269.

Wikipedia Introduction[edit]

Given that I must provide a neutral view, I don't think it would be unfair to say--by virtue of the Testimonial Album where several artists including Sarah Sarah McLachlan, Ruben Blades, Crash Test Dummies, The Rembrandts, and Joe Jackson paid their tribute to XTC by doing covers of their songs, in addition to the new "Rockumentary" in which many music and acting luminaries praise the band as among the greatest, that a qualifying remark be added to added to the definition of the band along the lines of "beginning as a new wave band from Swindon UK" XTC did far more than achieve some "cult following". Indeed they mirrored the Beatles in throwing off the constraints of having to promote their records with live tours which freed them depart from depart from their early genre classification as "new wave" or "punk" to deliver a body of work lauded by many to be in the pantheon of rock music's greatest works. Note to others: please be sure to see their hour plus bio Called "This is Pop" before making a ruling as to whether this is a neutral historic descption versus a personal fan's take on XTC. The so-called "Rockumentary" bares out the fact. Thanks.

User:JimmyMack1955, I'm sure your personal views on the band are perfectly valid. To be able to add such an opinion to the article, however, those views would need to be quoted from a recognised authority on popular music and be published in a reliable source. We can't debate value judgements here, we just have to follow sources. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2017 (UTC) p.s. stuff like "they mirrored the Beatles" would need an authoritative source, but I agree the intro could be tweaked a bit to fit better what's in the article.[reply]

I'm not sure what the issue is, but if it's that XTC have more than a cult following, I'll have to disagree. Even though their music was a huge contribution for post-punk, they never get more than a passing mention in those sorts of books. As of 2002, they were written about as a band who have "labored in relative obscurity". Nothing has really changed since then.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How can a band that had the following UK chart hits be said to have 'labored in relative obscurity': 'Making Plans for Nigel', 'Generals & Majors', 'Towers of London', 'Sgt Rock' etc.,. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.50.207 (talk) 19:27, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Touring[edit]

There seems to be every indication that Partridge's refusal to tour did adversely affect the band's potential, what would be required for everyone to be in agreement about mentioning this? Regards. EnglishEfternamn*t/c* 23:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's already mentioned in the lead.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 05:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Christine (talk · contribs) 17:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yah, what the heck, I'll take this on.

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    Well-written, in good Queen's English. I think that it relies a bit too much on quotes. I suggest that you go through and paraphrase more. I'm not requiring it for GAN, but if you want to go further with this article, it's something that you should at least consider.
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
    Follows the standard structure of a music article. But wow, this is a long article, but comparable to other articles about other major bands.
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
    I don't have the offline resources you use, but I'm willing to AGF that they're okay. You rely on some sources a lot; for example, ref15. I'm assuming that you weren't able to find more variety in your sources, although you use a lot. This is a very extensively well-researched article. Watch the quotes punctuation, as per MOS:QUOTEMARKS. I won't bother checking them for you, but I suggest that you make sure they'll accurate. Picky, I know, that usually that's a good sign that the article is well-done. You also don't include accessdates for your on-line sources; please add them.
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
    Speaking of ref15, I just ran this article from the copyvio tool, and it was over 90%, probably because of your use of quotes. Paraphrasing will resolve this, so please go through and wherever appropriate, cut down on the quotes.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    Very thorough and complete.
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
    The article is obviously written by fans, of course, but remains neutral nonetheless.
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
    This article is actively edited, even since its GAN, but things seem to be collegial and civil.
  5. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    Images are good. Are they any more you can use? For example, are there any available images of the individual band members? Or how about downloading some of their album cover images? (That's standard for music articles, you know.) I like, though, how you've used quoteboxes and clips.
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  6. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    See below for more suggestions.
  • Ref20: It's standard to specify the time at which the event occurs in audio clips, as per WP:PAGENUM.
  • Ref24: I don't see any support for the statement in the source. Since this is a GAN, I'm not going to go through every source and check that your refs correctly support your statements. I'll leave it up to you if you want to check it for this review; just know that if you take it to FAC, they'll look for it more than here.
  • Ref46: The long quote in the Financial issues... section is a good example of what I say above. I think you could paraphrase it.
  • Local popularity... section: ""Their aspire to attain the impossible dream..." Should it be "they", or is that following the source? If it's the later, add [sic].

More later. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oranges and Lemons... section: Briefly-serving XTC manager Tarquin Gotch... Please explain what you mean by "briefly-serving". Could you say something like: "Tarquin Gotch, who served as XTC's manager for a short time [x months or weeks]..."
  • Strike period: Coincidentally, Prince and George Michael also went on strike against their respective labels, which was heavily publicised at the time. XTC's strike received little press by comparison. I'd think that Prince's and Michael's strikes were ironic, not coincidental. But it's opinionizing, which other than not being a real word isn't encouraged in encyclopedic writing. How about: "Prince and George Michael also went on strike against their respective labels at about the same time, and were heavily publicised at the time. XTC's strike, however, received little press."
  • Most of the other suggestions I have regarding the prose is how to cut out all the quotes you use. I'd like you to do some more paraphrasing. I think that it fulfills the GA criteria with them, but I think it'd improve the quality of the article substantially if you do. As I say above, you won't get much farther in the review process if you don't.

Deal with the few things above and I'll pass to GA. Thanks to all who contributed to such a detailed article about an important group. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, just saw this, plus I wanted to give you plenty of time to cut your quotes and paraphrase. I see that you've worked hard to improve this articles in this area. You could probably do more, but I think it's adequate for GA and I'll let the good folks at FAC, if you choose to take it there, can give you more specific suggestions. Nice work, I will pass to GA now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Britpop sources[edit]

For lead attribution:

  • WP:WEASEL: The examples above are not automatically weasel words. They may also be used in the lead section of an article or in a topic sentence of a paragraph, and the article body or the rest of the paragraph can supply attribution.

There is no need to attribute sources in the lead, as the claim is objective and factual. XTC have been acknowledged as an influence to many Britpop bands.

Sources (emphasis added):

  • ... they were one of the motivating factors for mid-'90s Britpop (Partridge was, in fact, initially slated to produce Blur's Modern Life Is Rubbish), and the entire pop underground recognizes Partridge as one of the icons of contemporary songwriting in the field. PopMatters
  • ... later the likes of Echo and the Bunnymen, XTC, and The Smiths ... had an unquestionable influence on the Britpop movement. IGN
  • Andy, hailed briefly as The Godfather of Britpop ... The Independent
  • Having inspired a whole generation of Britpop artists - Blur, in particular, were up to their neck in debt to XTC The Times
  • Older students will remember Andy Partridge as the man who wrote the Britpop book 20 years ago NME
  • XTC: BRITPOP'S SPIRITUAL GRANDDADS Q Magazine
  • IN 1980, THEY WERE THE PERFECT BRITPOP BAND: TROUBLE WAS, XTC WERE 20 YEARS AHEAD OF TIME, THINKS NICHOLAS BARBER The Independent
  • When not drawing pictures of himself under siege, Andy Partridge is the guiding light of Britpop legends XTC, whose new album, Wasp Star (Apple Venus Volume 2), was released last week on TVT. Pulse
  • ... from the heady punk of the late-'70s to the prototype Britpop of the ensuing years ... Music365
  • ... So, despite being hailed as godfathers by the Britpop Generation -- Blur wanted Partridge to produce their '93 Modern Life is Rubbish, Oasis' record company head-hunted them when they were dropped by Virgin in '95 after 18 years -- XTC have been the invisible men of British pop. Elsewhere --Ilovetopaint (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All this looks wholly convincing. Perfectly good sources, as far as I can see, and lots of them. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Size of article[edit]

Well done to Ilovetopaint who has made nearly half of the edits. But the article is now 116,605 bytes long. What does WP:GA say? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you clarify the issue, if there is one? --Ilovetopaint (talk) 03:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How large can articles get? Is this article getting too large? Is there any guidance for maximum size at WP:GA? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It takes only a glance at WP:GACR to see that the guide to article size is WP:LENGTH. Readable prose measures at 59kB and is well below articles like The Beatles (FA, 90KB), Pink Floyd (FA, 70KB), and The Rolling Stones (GA, 78kB). Basic outline of the current coverage distribution:
  • 1972-1982: 18kB (formation, 5 albums, quit touring)
  • 1982-1992: 20kB (7 albums, legal drama)
  • 1993-present: 11kB (label strike, 2 albums, post-breakup)
  • Style and legacy: 10kB
  • Total: 59kB
Another pass at tightening the summary style could trim about 3kB off the article. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. Those values make an interesting comparison. I guess the length looks about right when compared alongside those "mega groups." I note that the advice is : "> 60 kB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)." So I guess everyone just says "justified by scope of a topic" and relies on the backstop limit of: "> 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided." Even then there is no hard rule, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Now 127kB. I'm sure it's all good stuff, but could anything be separated off? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edits resulting from Andy Partridge's clarifications on Twitter[edit]

There's a lot of edits going in today as a result of clarifications made by Andy Partridge directly to his Twitter account. In my view this is more likely to be accurate information than anything filtered through the editorial process of music journalism but, given the probable Wikipedia:PSCOI implications it's likely to be reverted if there isn't any accompanying discussion in these talk pages.

In my view all of this information is Verifiable, Looking through the Twitter account's history it's obviously Partridge himself and if he's not correct about a lot of the events where there were no third party observers then who is? I'm not, however, sure of the COI implications of referencing directly to Tweets made by the subject of the article. Anybody know how this can be done without breaking COI and ending up with the page reverted to a previous, less accurate version? --Blakk and ekka 16:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Covered by WP:TWITTER. Most of the corrections were not wrong. In a lot of cases, it seems I had misread a source, or made an erroneous guess when a journalist was unclear. One of the only disagreements I have with Partridge is whether Take Away / The Lure of Salvage should be counted as a solo record. Another is this tweet:
[4] "WC- The whole paragraph on the run up to NONSUCH is wrong, too much to correct."
That's the only part of the article I didn't write, but still, I've no clue what he's talking about. The details are supposedly covered in this 40-minute interview --Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another detail that's questionable is whether the contract with Virgin ended in 1994 or 1997. Even in promotional interviews for Apple Venus, he said that the strike lasted five years, but according to the Chalkhills site, an online paper reported that the strike ended in December '94. [5] This coincides with the fact that they had just started recording new material again.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 18:11, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Beach Boys influence[edit]

In the article it says the band were not influenced by The Beach Boys because (according to the source) Andy and Colin had never listened to any of their albums until 1986. However that source also says that Andy had listened to their singles and had been influenced by them. He considers Brian Wilson to be one of his idols.

So the information is misleading. Bob3458 (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His appraisal of Wilson, as described in this article, is not exactly one of wholesale idolatry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quote from the article: "I'd heard the singles on the radio, and loved them -- I mean, stuff like "I Get Around" is enormous for me. And "Good Vibrations," obviously. That was enormous for me as well. I bought "Bluebirds Over the Mountain" with my pocket money -- one of the first records I ever bought. But I had no concept that they'd had an album career." Bob3458 (talk) 22:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that quote needs to be added as a quote in the source, or added to the article text? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bob3458:. It is now corrected with this edit [6]. As you may have read it, there are issues in this article as pointed above in the GA review (failed).Woovee (talk) 23:40, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

XTC sold millions? Says who? didn’t they accumulate debt for NOT SELLING MILLIONS?[edit]

they dont even have a gold record. if they also didnt get drop I suspect they didn’t sell more than a few hundred thousand per release on a good day. sounds like an embittered fan justifying why their debt wasn’t linked to their lack of popularity 2600:1012:B1BA:2A7E:5D2C:CBD:7A7B:4DAB (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Their singles and albums charted the UK[7] so of course they sold well. Virgin was caught with their hand in the till, and they refused to pay for a BPI certification which is why XTC never went Gold. Binksternet (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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