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Last Series of Season Deciding Title in Lead Paragraph

I was wondering about mentioning the Yankees beating the Red Sox in, I believe, 2005 to win the division. That was won in the last game wasn't it? True the other last game mentions were for the pennant, but that was before the introduction of the ALCS and ALDS. If we decide not to include it, I think we need to then rewrite some of the wording here. Arnabdas (talk) 20:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Mention of 2009 Unbeaten Streak

I propose that this does not get mentioned until we can confirm it is a record of some sort...either in MLB history, AL history, AL East history, within the rivalry or the teams itself (Boston winning a certain amount of games straight against a team or the Yankees losing a certain amount of games straight against a team). Otherwise, it's just a play by play of the 2009 season and thus does not warrant inclusion in an article that is about the general history of the rivalry. It should only be included if it is a record as per the rules I stated or if the Red Sox win every game in the season.

Furthermore, I included back in the first visit to the new stadium. That is pretty historically significant. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 04:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

An 8-game winning streak by the Red Sox—especially to start a season—is a sufficiently significant event within the context of the history of the rivalry to warrant a mention. I believe it's been reported that it's the Sox's longest winning streak vs. the Yankees to start the season since 1912, which I regard as strong support for inclusion in the article. -PassionoftheDamon (talk) 13:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

"Players with Both Organizations" Section

I propose this section be removed entirely from the article. What is it, exactly? A list of players who played for both teams? It's jammed into the middle of the article and there's no explanation anywhere. The information is not particularly interesting or pertinent to the rivalry, and it is not presented in a useful way. It can also be looked up on many other websites. If the section really needs to be included in the article, it at least should be complete. Off the top of my head it's missing Wade Boggs, Tom Gordon, John Olerud and Eric Hinske. Batsarentbugs (talk) 05:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

How about we collapse the box so that anyone interested in it can expand it and look at the list themselves? 161.185.151.150 (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Move

I do not know why this page was moved from its original title (except for the spacing). From what I have seen, reliable sources refer to this rivalry more widely as "Yankees-Red Sox", not "Red Sox-Yankees". As examples, from Google searches for "Yankees-Red Sox" and "Red Sox-Yankees":

Yankees-Red Sox
Red Sox-Yankees

I think the move should be undone. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I moved it for neutrality, which would be alphabetical order. It's the same reason why there are articles at Canada – United States border and Mexico – United States border. It's likely more sources would have Yankees first since they are the bigger city and market. I'm not sure if that should trump using alphabetical order. I don't really care though, either argument is a good one. LonelyMarble (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm willing to let the issue pass, as in all of my searching I haven't been able to find the original discussion as to why the exception was made for this article in particular. If I find it, I'll drop a line here. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Agreed with the move; however, the spaces added seem to go against precedent as set by the other rivalry articles listed at the bottom of this one, ie. Mets–Phillies rivalry. GlassCobra 15:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The space is because Red Sox is a spaced noun, therefore without a space it seems to convey that "Sox-Yankees" is the relationship, while the Red part is detached. Since we all know Red Sox is the whole noun there isn't common confusion, but from a grammatical standpoint it makes sense to include the space. MOS:ENDASH has a bullet describing this practice. LonelyMarble (talk) 22:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Subtitle Change

I propose the last period be changed into 2 categories, "The Curse is Broken" followed by "Yankees Return to Glory." The Yankees had glory from 96-2003 with 6 pennants and 4 championships. Therefore, it makes no sense to return to glory in the immediately followed segment. There has to be a gap, and Boston winning 3 pennants and 2 ws should be one category in itself. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

"Yankees are dominant again" ?

Given, they won the World Series last year, but they went 9-9 in rivalry games. That's hardly dominant. 74.65.186.135 (talk) 07:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Time for a review

This article is long and tangential. Some of these "key moments" are not key at all. This needs to be pared down. --Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind that at all, but user SNIyer12 has totally gutted the entire article. The amount of information removed makes this article almost not notable anymore. The whole point of the rivalry, that sets it apart from others, is the intensity and detail to the letter for many decades. This isn't an article anymore. It is extremely vanilla. Arnabdas (talk) 16:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
The reason why I removed it is because I checked out other rivalry articles. You need to see the Mets-Phillies article, as that has GA. You don't see key moments in a timeline in other rivalry articles. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 20:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
OK I see your point. However, I think we need to keep the information. I think if we individually take the key points from each era and place them in the appropriate time periods as sentences in paragraphs, it can work. I don't object to a "Key Moments" section being taken out, but rather the detailed information IN the section. Arnabdas (talk) 15:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Key Moments MUST be Put Back In!

Taking out all of this information is irresponsible. The information is valid. I understand changing the format a bit, by incorporating this information back into the article, but to not have the majority of it in does nothing to highlight the intensity of this rivalry. I'm pasting the text below. Let's dicuss what we want in and out, but I strongly insist that most of this information be put back in. Arnabdas (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC) 

===1901 - 1920: Red Sox glory days===

- *April 26, 1901: In the American League's inaugural year as a major league, Boston and Baltimore play the first game in the history of both franchises, at Oriole Park in Baltimore, Maryland. The Boston entry has no official nickname yet, but is often called the "Americans" by Boston media to distinguish them from the National League entry in Beantown. The Baltimore club is known as the "Orioles", and they will transfer to New York two seasons later. The New York media will dub the team the "Highlanders", as well as "Americans" (for the same reason as the Boston media), and then "Yankees" (a synonym for "Americans"). - *May 7, 1903: In the first game between the New York Highlanders in their first year in New York, and the Boston Americans at Huntington Avenue Grounds, a New York runner knocks into Boston pitcher George Winter, prompting a fight and the first notable incident between those two teams. Boston wins the game 6–2. Boston goes on to win the very first World Series, defeating the Pittsburgh Pirates. - *April 14, 1904: The Boston Americans and the Highlanders play their first Opening Day game against each other. The Americans win the first Opening Day game against each other 8-2.[1][2] - *October 10, 1904: The Americans beat the Highlanders in the first game of a doubleheader on the last day of the season at Hilltop Park to clinch the American League pennant, after Highlanders' pitcher Jack Chesbro, who won a record 41 games that year, throws a wild pitch, allowing the winning run to score from third base. However, the New York Giants, who had already clinched the National League pennant, had already refused to play in the 1904 World Series because they did not want to play the Highlanders. Thus, there was no World Series that year. - *April 20, 1912: Boston, now known as the Red Sox (starting 1908), open Fenway Park with a game against the Highlanders (more often called "Yankees" by now). Tris Speaker hits an RBI single in the bottom of the eleventh to give the Red Sox a 7–6 victory. The victory would not be as memorable for the Titanic Sinking replaced it as the front page story. The team would win a team record 105 games and their second World Series title, defeating the New York Giants. - *September 9, 1918: The Chicago Cubs score two runs off of Babe Ruth in game 4 of the Series, snapping his then record World Series scoreless inning streak at 29⅔ innings. However, the Red Sox win the game 3–2, and go on to capture their fifth Series title, their third in the past four years, and fourth in the past seven years. - *January 3, 1920: Red Sox owner and Broadway producer Harry Frazee sells Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees for cash and a loan on Fenway Park, despite Ruth having set the record for home runs with 29 in 1919.[3][4] This will begin a series of deals with the Yankees that result in a long period of mediocrity for the Red Sox while the Yankees begin their dynasty.[3] - - ===1921 - 1940: The Bambino comes to New York=== - *October 5, 1921: Following Babe Ruth's record setting season—statistically, one of the greatest in major league history for a batter—the Yankees appear in and win their very first World Series game.[3] However, Ruth gets hurt during the Series, and the Yankees eventually drop the last three games, losing the Series five games to three to the New York Giants in the last ever best-of-nine Series.[3] - *April 18, 1923: 74,200 watch the Yankees defeat the Red Sox, 4–1, in the first game played at Yankee Stadium. Babe Ruth hits the new stadium's first home run, and finishes the year with a .393 batting average, while being walked a then-record 170 times. The Yankees meet up with the New York Giants in the World Series for the third straight year, but this time they finally come out on top, winning their first World Championship. - *May 6, 1930: Pitcher Red Ruffing is traded mid-season from the Red Sox to the Yankees. Ruffing, who had limited success with the Red Sox, would go on to a Hall of Fame career with the Yankees winning 6 World Series with them. - *August 19, 1934: What was then the largest crowd in the history of Fenway Park, 46,766, witnesses Babe Ruth's final game at Fenway Park in a Yankees uniform. The Red Sox would top the Yanks that day. - *September 22, 1935: A new record for the largest crowd in Fenway's history, 47,627, watches the Red Sox lose a doubleheader to the Yankees. - *May 30, 1938: Before a Yankee Stadium record crowd of 83,533, Yankees outfielder Jake Powell and Red Sox player-manager Joe Cronin fight on the field and beneath the stands. Both players are fined and suspended for 10 games. The Red Sox finish second to the Yankees, who go on to sweep the Chicago Cubs in the World Series. - *October 8, 1939: The Yankees sweep the Cincinnati Reds in the World Series, winning a then-record four consecutive World Series titles and their eighth championship overall. The Red Sox again finish second to the Yankees. - - ===1941 - 1960: Teddy Ballgame and The Yankee Clipper=== - *1941: The Yankees win the World Series; however, the rivalry intensifies when Ted Williams of the Red Sox bats .406 (the last player to bat over .400 in a season) but loses the AL MVP race to the Yankees' Joe DiMaggio, who has a 56-game hitting streak. Williams reminisced about DiMaggio saying "(Joe) DiMaggio was the greatest all-around player I ever saw. His career cannot be summed up in numbers and awards. It might sound corny, but he had a profound and lasting impact on the country." - *October 6, 1946: The Red Sox play in their first World Series game since 1918, having finished ahead of the Yankees in the American League for the first time since trading Babe Ruth. Since their last pennant in 1918, the Yankees had won 14 pennants and 10 World Series. Boston would eventually lose the Series four games to three to the St. Louis Cardinals. - *1948: Former legendary manager for the Yankees, Joe McCarthy comes out of retirement after a feud with Yankee ownership to sign with the Red Sox as their manager. McCarthy led Boston to a 1st place tie in the American League with the Cleveland Indians, to whom his team lost a one game playoff. He would close out his managerial career in Boston. - *October 1948: Both the Yankees and the Red Sox are involved in a tight pennant race with the Cleveland Indians until the final weekend. The Red Sox eliminate the Yankees in the final series at Fenway Park, overcoming four Joe DiMaggio hits in the final game to tie Cleveland for the pennant. This situation forces the first-ever one-game playoff in AL history, which the Indians win 8–3 at Fenway Park. The city of Boston misses out on its first all-Boston World Series, as the Indians go on to defeat the Boston Braves in the Series, the last one the Indians have won to date. - *October 2, 1949: The Red Sox, having entered the final series of the season at Yankee Stadium needing only one win over the Yankees to advance to the World Series, lose 5-3 on the last day of the season after falling 5–4 the previous day, giving the Yankees their 16th American League pennant. The Yankees go on to defeat the Brooklyn Dodgers for their 12th World Championship, beginning a streak of five consecutive World Series titles from 1949 to 1953 and breaking their previous streak of four straight titles from 1936 to 1939. - *April 17, 1951: The Yankees defeat the Red Sox on opening day at Yankee Stadium. PA announcer Bob Sheppard makes his debut. Sheppard would go on to serve PA duties at Yankee Stadium for another 56 years. - *September 28, 1951: Yankees pitcher Allie Reynolds pitches a no-hitter against the Red Sox.[5] - *May 24, 1952: Red Sox outfielder Jimmy Piersall and Yankees second baseman Billy Martin exchange insults before a game in Boston, and end up fighting in the tunnel under the stands. The fight is broken up by Yankees coaches Bill Dickey and Oscar Melillo, and Boston starting pitcher Ellis Kinder. Piersall changes out of his bloody shirt and promptly fights with teammate Maury McDermott. The Red Sox win 5-2 with Piersall sitting the game out.[6] - - ===1961 - 1980: Fisk vs. Munson and the Bucky Dent Game=== - *October 1, 1961: On the last day of the season, Roger Maris hits his 61st home run of the year off Red Sox rookie pitcher Tracy Stallard at Yankee Stadium, breaking the previous record of 60 home runs in a season set by Babe Ruth in 1927.[7] The Yankees win the game 1–0 and clinch their 26th American League pennant, on their way to their 19th World Series title. - *April 14, 1967: Rookie Red Sox pitcher Billy Rohr comes within a single strike of a no-hitter at Yankee Stadium before Elston Howard hits a two-out, two-strike single in the ninth. Rohr completes the one-hitter, but ultimately finishes his career with only three wins, two coming against the Yankees. - *June 1967: In the first of a two-game series in Yankee Stadium, Red Sox Third Baseman Joe Foy hit a grand slam. In the second game, Yankee pitcher Thad Tillotson threw two brushback pitches at Foy before beaning him in the batting helmet. In the next inning, Rex Sox pitcher Jim Lonborg beaned Tillotson. Both pitchers yelled at each other, and then a brawl ensued. During the fight, Red Sox outfielder Reggie Smith picked up and body-slammed Tillotson to the ground. - *August 29, 1967 The Yankees and the Red Sox are both involved in the longest game ever played (by innings) at Yankee Stadium. New York recorded a 20-inning, 4-3 victory over Boston.[8] - *1967 Carl Yastrzemski becomes the last player to win the batting triple crown, leading the Red Sox to the pennant. However, they lose the Series to the St. Louis Cardinals four games to three. - *April 6, 1973: Opening the season at Fenway Park, Ron Blomberg of the Yankees becomes the first designated hitter in Major League history. Red Sox pitcher Luis Tiant walks Blomberg in his first plate appearance of the game. - *August 1, 1973: In a game at Fenway Park, with the score tied 2–2 in the top of the 9th, Yankees catcher Thurman Munson attempts to score from third base on a missed bunt by Gene Michael. He crashes into Red Sox catcher Carlton Fisk, and a fight erupts, with Munson punching Fisk in the face. - *September 1974: In a game at Fenway Park, Yankees first baseman Chris Chambliss is struck in the right arm with a dart thrown from the stands after hitting a triple. - *May 20, 1976: Yankee outfielder Lou Piniella crashes into Red Sox catcher Carlton Fisk feet first in an attempt to score in the sixth inning of a game at Yankee Stadium. The two benches clear while Piniella and Fisk brawl at home plate. After the fight apparently dies down and order appears to be restored, Sox pitcher Bill Lee and Yankee third baseman Graig Nettles begin exchanging words, and another fight breaks out. Lee suffers a separated left shoulder from the tilt and misses a significant portion of the 1976 season. He would continue to pitch until 1982, but his level of performance is not the same as it was prior to the fight. - *June 18, 1977: In the middle game of what would prove to be a three-game series sweep by the Red Sox at Fenway, Yankees' manager Billy Martin pulls Reggie Jackson off the field in mid-inning for failing to hustle on a ball hit to the outfield. The extremely angry and highly-animated Martin has to be restrained by coaches Yogi Berra and Elston Howard from getting into a fistfight with Jackson in the dugout, on the nationally-televised Saturday afternoon game. - *September 10, 1978: The Yankees complete a four-game sweep at Fenway Park to tie the Red Sox atop the AL East, completing a 14-game comeback over the course of two months. New York outscores Boston 42–9 during the series, which becomes known as the "Boston Massacre." - *October 2, 1978: The Red Sox and Yankees, having both finished with 99–63 records, play a one-game playoff at Fenway Park for the American League East title. Bucky Dent hits a three-run home run over the Green Monster to give the Yankees the lead for good in the seventh inning. The Yankees go on to win their 32nd American League pennant and 22nd World Series title. - - ===1981 - 2003: Yankee dominance and first post-season meetings===

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Wade Boggs played primarily for the Red Sox, but he also played for the Yankees. He played in a World Series with both the Red Sox and Yankees.

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Pedro Martinez faced Roger Clemens in the 1999 ALCS. He struck out the most Yankees ever in a game.

- *July 4, 1983: Yankee left-hander Dave Righetti throws a no-hitter against the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium.[5] One of the game's greatest hitters, Wade Boggs, strikes out to end the game.[5][9] - *1990: Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe writes and publishes The Curse of the Bambino, punishing the Red Sox for selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees.[3][10][11] - *June 6, 1990: Bucky Dent is fired as manager of the Yankees before a game against the Red Sox at Fenway Park.[12][13] - *September 21–23, 1990: During a Red Sox-Yankees showdown at Yankee Stadium, Yankee fans start to remind the Red Sox of the last time they won a World Series with demeaning chants of "1918!"[3][14] - *May 27, 1991: Mel Hall's game-winning three-run homer in the ninth inning gives the Yankees a dramatic Memorial Day win over the Red Sox. Announcer John Sterling accentuates the word "the" when saying "the Yankees win!" This accentuation would be a characteristic trademark of Sterling for the rest of his broadcasting career.[15] - *December 15, 1992: Long-time Red Sox fan favorite Wade Boggs defects to the Yankees after eleven seasons with Boston. In 1996, he would win the World Series title that had eluded him in Boston, though he played in a World Series and was one strike away from it in 1986, when they lost to the New York Mets. - *September 18, 1993: The Yankees defeat Boston at Yankee Stadium via a last-moment reprieve. Trailing 3–1, Mike Stanley's apparent fly out with two outs in the ninth is nullified by a fan running on to the field prior to the pitch being thrown. The umpire had called time and when play resumed, Stanley singled. The Yankees would rally to score three runs and win on a Don Mattingly single. - *February 18, 1999: The Yankees trade fan favorite David Wells to the Toronto Blue Jays for Roger Clemens, a fan favorite with the Red Sox between 1984 and 1996. Clemens was coming off two consecutive season with the Blue Jays where he had won both the pitching triple crown and the Cy Young Award in both 1997 and 1998. He would go on to win two World Series with the Yankees in 1999 and 2000. For Clemens, the 2000 World Series win was a sense of redemption, as it was against the same team he lost to while with the Red Sox in 1986—New York Mets. In fact, he was the starting pitcher in Game 6, the game that would have won the World Series for the Red Sox. - *May 18, 1999: Yankees manager Joe Torre returns to Fenway Park for his first game following his battle with prostate cancer.[16][17] When exchanging lineup cards the Boston crowd gives Torre a long standing ovation to which he tips his cap.[18] - *July 13, 1999: The 1999 Major League Baseball All-Star Game is held at Fenway Park. Yankee manager Joe Torre is manager for the American League team. Nomar Garciaparra of the Red Sox starts for the American League at shortstop and receives a standing ovation from the fans after Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter comes in to replace him after they embrace. Later in the game when he came to bat, Jeter gave Garciaparra a tribute by mimicking his batting stance. - *September 10, 1999: Chili Davis' 2nd inning home run is the only hit by the Yankees against Pedro Martínez, who strikes out 17 Yankees - the most strikeouts against a Yankee team ever.[19] - *October 13, 1999: The Yankees win game one of the ALCS against the Red Sox on a 10th inning walk-off home run by Bernie Williams off Boston reliever Rod Beck.[20] The game is the first actual postseason meeting between the rivals because the one-game playoff in 1978 technically counted as a regular season game.[21] - *October 16, 1999: Game 3 of the 1999 ALCS is a largely anticipated matchup between Red Sox ace (and Cy Young award winner) Pedro Martínez and former Red Sox ace Roger Clemens. Clemens is pulled in the third inning and Red Sox fans serenade him with chants of "Where is Roger?" and then a response chant of "In the shower." The Red Sox went on to win 13–1. - *October 18, 1999: The Yankees defeat the Red Sox 6–1 two days later to win the ALCS four games to one, ending the first post-season series between the two rivals. The win gave the Yankees their 36th American League pennant, and the team would go on to win their 25th World Series title. - *June 19, 2000: At Fenway Park, the Yankees beat the Red Sox 22–1, handing Boston its most lopsided home loss ever.[22][23] The Yankees score 16 runs in the 8th and 9th innings.[22] The Yankees go on to win their 3rd consecutive World Series and 26th overall. - *May 23, 2001: David Cone, one of the key players in the then most recent Yankee dynasty, starts for the Red Sox against the Yankees at Yankee Stadium to the sound of a standing ovation. It marked Cone's first return to Yankee Stadium since his leaving the team. - *September 2, 2001: Mike Mussina comes within one strike of pitching a perfect game against the Red Sox at Fenway Park. Carl Everett's 9th inning two-out, two-strike single is the only baserunner allowed by Mussina in a 1–0 Yankee win. Coincidentally, David Cone, the last Yankee pitcher to throw a perfect game in 1999, had started the game for the Red Sox. - *September 2001: Following the events of September 11, Boston fans display signs saying "Boston Loves New York" in a rare moment of peace between the two sides of the rivalry. On September 23, the Yankees home field host a memorial service titled, "Prayer for America." - *December 26, 2002: Red Sox President Larry Lucchino labels the Yankees the "Evil Empire" after Cuban free agent José Contreras opts to sign with the Yankees instead of the Red Sox.[24] - *October 11, 2003: In the top of the fourth inning of Game 3 of the ALCS at Fenway Park, Red Sox starting pitcher Pedro Martínez hits Yankee batter Karim Garcia, prompting an argument between the two players, which ends with both teams exiting the dugouts. In the bottom half on the inning, a pitch from Roger Clemens to Manny Ramírez is high, and the benches clear with both sides brawling. Yankee bench coach Don Zimmer charges at Martinez who then grabs his head and swings him to the ground. Later, midway through the ninth inning, Garcia and Yankee pitcher Jeff Nelson fight with a Fenway Park groundskeeper in the bullpen. - *October 16, 2003: Holding a 5–2 lead in the eighth inning of Game 7 at Yankee Stadium, Red Sox manager Grady Little elects to leave starter Pedro Martínez on the mound. Martinez proceeds to give up four hits and three runs in the inning, allowing the Yankees to tie the game.[25][26] In the bottom of the eleventh inning, leadoff hitter Aaron Boone hits a solo home run off of Tim Wakefield to left field, ending the game and the series, giving the Yankees their 39th American League pennant.[26] - *October 25, 2003: Future Red Sox pitcher Josh Beckett pitches a complete game shutout against the Yankees to win the World Series for the Florida Marlins. - *December 18, 2003: A potential deal that would send reigning AL MVP Alex Rodriguez to Boston and Red Sox slugger Manny Ramírez to Texas falls through after Rodriguez indicates he will not go against the players union, which opposes a proposed renegotiation that would have potentially reduced Rodriguez's earnings in the later years of his contract.[25] - *February 15, 2004: Alex Rodriguez, after being courted by the Red Sox for nearly three months, is traded from the Texas Rangers to the Yankees.[25] - - ===2004 - 2008: Red Sox Mid-Decade Winning===

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Johnny Damon played for both the Red Sox and the Yankees. However, he may best remembered for the home run that erased the Curse of the Bambino in the 2004 World Series.[25]

- *April 16, 2004: The first Yankees-Red Sox matchup since the 2003 ALCS is broadcast in a rare prime time broadcast on Fox as the Red Sox win at home against the Yankees 6-2.[25][27][28] - *July 1, 2004: The Yankees defeat the Red Sox 5–4 in a 13-inning contest at Yankee Stadium. The Yankees victory capped a 3-game sweep of the Red Sox which appeared to be a season breaker for Boston. The game's lasting image is of Derek Jeter, who catches a fly ball at top speed with 2 outs and runners on base before crashing three rows into the left-field stands in foul territory and emerging with a gash on his face. The only non-pitcher to not play is Jeter's counterpart, Nomar Garciaparra, once fan favorite and now tormented star, who remains on the bench throughout the game; he is later traded to the Chicago Cubs. John Flaherty, the Yankees last position player, pinch-hits for pitcher Tanyon Sturtze, singling to left in the 13th inning to win it. - *July 24, 2004: After a long rain delay to start the game, Alex Rodríguez and Red Sox catcher Jason Varitek initiate a bench clearing brawl after Rodríguez is hit by a pitch from Bronson Arroyo.[25] Both players are ejected from the game, as are Red Sox outfielder Gabe Kapler and outfielder Trot Nixon for their participation in the fight with Yankees pitcher Tanyon Sturtze.[25] Later in the game, Red Sox third baseman Bill Mueller hits a walk-off home run off Yankee closer Mariano Rivera.[25] - *October 16, 2004: The Yankees defeat the Red Sox 19–8 at Fenway Park in Game 3 of the ALCS, taking a 3–0 lead in the series after the longest nine-inning postseason game in history.[29] On the score, Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe said that "the final score...might...have been 19-18."[29] - *October 17, 2004: The Yankees enter the ninth inning only three outs away from their 40th American League pennant. Closer Mariano Rivera allows a walk to Kevin Millar, and a stolen base from pinch-runner Dave Roberts allows him to score on a single from Bill Mueller to tie the game in the ninth. David Ortiz keeps the Red Sox alive in the series with a two run walk-off home run in the bottom of the twelfth inning to give the Red Sox a 6–4 win. - *October 18, 2004: David Ortiz ends the longest game in ALCS history (breaking a record set two nights ago) with a walk-off single in the bottom of the fourteenth inning in Game 5. The Red Sox overcome a two-run deficit in the 8th inning, one coming from a David Ortiz home run off Tom Gordon, the other from a sacrifice fly by Jason Varitek off Rivera, who records his second blown save in as many games. - *October 19, 2004: Curt Schilling pitches seven innings for the Red Sox in Yankee Stadium and wins, 4–2, despite having sutures put into his right ankle, which causes blood to visibly soak into Schilling's sock. Yankee fans protest a reversed call - Alex Rodríguez being called out at first base after slapping the ball out of Boston pitcher Bronson Arroyo's glove - by littering the field as police with riot gear took positions near the foul lines. The Red Sox become the first team in major league history to tie a series after being down 3 games to none. - *October 20, 2004: The Red Sox defeat the Yankees 10–3 in Game 7 at Yankee Stadium, becoming the first team in baseball history (and only the third of four teams in major league sports, as the Philadelphia Flyers would do this during their Cinderella march to the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals) to win a seven-game series after losing the first three games, and giving the team its 11th American League pennant, marking the first time in 100 years that Boston had defeated New York to claim the AL title.[30] - *October 27, 2004: The Red Sox win their first World Series championship in 86 years, completing a sweep of the St. Louis Cardinals in the Series.[25][31] - *April 3, 2005:[32] The Yankees and Red Sox face each other for the first time since the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS and winning the World Series. The game takes place at Yankee Stadium and the Yankees beat the Red Sox 9-2. However, Yankee fans start new taunts, saying "The Curse of 1918 is finally over (86 years). Let the new curse 2090 begin."[33][34] - *April 11, 2005:[32] The Red Sox receive their World Series rings at Fenway Park before they play the Yankees.[31][35] In a showing of class, respect, and good sportsmanship, all of the Yankees go to the top step of the dugout to applaud the Red Sox accomplishment.[36] During the announcement of the lineups, Red Sox fans reciprocate by giving Yankee closer Mariano Rivera (who had struggled against the Red Sox) a loud, standing ovation.[37] Rivera laughed and tipped his cap.[37] However, they booed Alex Rodriguez.[36] However, in New York, the YES Network, the Yankees television network, YES declined to broadcast it. Instead, a fixed camera shot was focused tightly on correspondent Kimberly Jones as she described in general terms the events surrounding her; afterwards, YES was roundly criticized for the move.[38] The Red Sox won the game 8–1.[35] - *April 14, 2005:[32] Yankee right fielder Gary Sheffield's cap is knocked off by a Red Sox fan while trying to pick up a fair ball in right field at Fenway Park. In response, Sheffield pushes the fan. The conflict is quickly stopped by security guards. The fan was ejected from the game for interfering with play and eventually stripped of his season tickets. - *September, 2005: Both teams, already with guaranteed playoff births, play each other for the division crown on the last day of the season in a game that has the Yankees come out on top. Both teams wind up losing in the 2005 ALDS, the Yankees to the Anaheim Angels and the Red Sox to the eventual World Series champion that year, the Chicago White Sox - *November 24, 2005: The rivalry revives the Yankees' loss to the Florida Marlins in the 2003 World Series when the Marlins trade Josh Beckett, who ended the series with a complete game shutout,[39] to the Red Sox.[40][41] - *December 20, 2005: Red Sox outfielder Johnny Damon, a fan-favorite during his four years in Boston whose lead-off home run in Game 4 of the 2004 World Series extinguished the Curse of the Bambino, signs a four-year, $52 million contract with the Yankees.[42] A clean shaven Damon would return to Fenway Park the following May to a mix of cheers and boos as he tipped his helmet to the fans. Some fans threw real dollar bills at him in center field. Other fans held signs that read "Looks like Jesus, Acts like Judas, Throws like Mary," citing Damon's look while with Boston, his betrayal by signing with his old team's rival, and his notorious lack of arm strength. - *August 18–21, 2006: The Yankees defeat the Red Sox 2–1 at Fenway Park, completing a five-game sweep of the Red Sox in the first five-game series between the teams in 33 years, evoking memories of 1978's "Boston Massacre". The Yankees outscore the Red Sox 49-26 and push their division lead to 6½ games over the second place Red Sox. Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy dubs it the "Son of Massacre."[43] The second game of the series, which the Yankees win 14-11, takes four hours and 45 minutes to complete, making it the longest nine-inning game in Major League Baseball history. The Yankees go on to claim the division title while the Red Sox never recover from the series loss, finishing third behind the Yankees and Toronto Blue Jays. This marks the first time since 1997 that the Red Sox have finished below second place in the AL East. - *2006: In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Alex Rodriguez claims that he had preferred to go to the Red Sox before being traded to the Yankees.[44] - *April 22, 2007: During the third inning of a game at Fenway Park, Manny Ramírez, J.D. Drew, Mike Lowell (a former Yankee prospect) and Jason Varitek hit four consecutive home runs off Yankee pitcher Chase Wright, powering a comeback from a three-run deficit and completing a three game sweep of the Yankees at Fenway Park for the first time since 1990. - *May, 2007: After long speculation about what team he would play for after retirement, Roger Clemens chooses to return to the Yankees as opposed to the Red Sox (where he started his career) or the Houston Astros (his hometown and last team he played for). - *October 28, 2007: The Red Sox go on to sweep the Colorado Rockies in the World Series; their second championship in four years. Josh Beckett, who shut out the Yankees in the deciding game of the 2003 World Series,[39] started Game 1 for the Red Sox. Series MVP Mike Lowell remarks, upon receiving his trophy, that "the Red Sox are expected to win." Controversy erupts during the 8th inning of the final game when Alex Rodriguez's agent Scott Boras announces that Rodriguez had decided to opt-out of his contract in what was seen by many as an attempt by Boras to overshadow the series.[45][46] After reaching the post season, but failing to win the World Series for the seventh straight season (while reaching the Series twice during that interval), the Yankees part ways with long-time manager Joe Torre, who becomes manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers, replacing Grady Little, one-time manager of the Red Sox. - *November, 2007: The Mitchell Report is released by former United States Senator George Mitchell about the use of banned substances in the Major Leagues. Several prominent Yankees are listed in the report, including Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Jason Giambi while no "prime" players are listed for the Red Sox. Allegations of Mitchell having a conflict of interest arise as Mitchell was on the board of directors for the Red Sox prior to and proceeding the report. - *February 27, 2008: As a contrast to his players, Boston GM Theo Epstein calls Yankee pitcher Mike Mussina a "bad apple" for complaining about the Yankees' 2004 trip to Japan. Epstein claimed that Mussina had used it as a crutch during the season. Mussina retorted by saying "Yeah, we used it as an excuse for winning the division." - *February 29, 2008 Hank Steinbrenner, the current man in charge of the Yankees, responded in a feisty manner to the popularity of Red Sox Nation in The New York Times newspaper's Play Magazine: "'Red Sox Nation?' What a bunch of (expletive) that is. That was a creation of the Red Sox and ESPN, which is filled with Red Sox fans. Go anywhere in America and you won't see Red Sox hats and jackets, you'll see Yankee hats and jackets. This is a Yankee country. We're going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order." In response, Red Sox principal owner John W. Henry inducted him into Red Sox Nation, complete with a membership card giving him access to an array of options, including the group newsletter, bumper stickers, pins, Green Monster seats and a hat personally autographed by David Ortiz. Steinbrenner went on to praise Henry's handling of the Red Sox and said they would always be competitive under him.[47][48] - *July 6, 2008: Yankees Manager Joe Girardi is ejected for arguing balls and strikes.[49] Yankees won the game 5-4 over the Red Sox.[49][50] - *September 23, 2008: With a victory over the Cleveland Indians, the Red Sox clinch a playoff berth and eliminate the Yankees from playoff contention, bringing an end to the Bombers' streak of 13 consecutive postseason appearances dating back to 1995.[51][52] - *December 23, 2008: Mark Teixeira signs an eight year, $180 million contract with the Yankees.[53] The Red Sox had been heavily favored to land the All-Star first baseman. Tony Massarotti of the Boston Globe summed up his feelings by calling it a "kick in the pants".[54] Teixeira had actually been drafted by the Red Sox in 1998, but turned them down then when he elected to play college baseball at Georgia Tech. - - ===2009 - present=== - - *May 4, 2009: The Red Sox visit the new Yankee Stadium for the first time in history and win the first game of a two game set to remain unbeaten against the Yankees during the 2009 season. - *August 7–8, 2009: Alex Rodriguez ends a 0-0 standstill after 15 innings with a two-run home run off the first appearance of Junichi Tazawa. It was Rodriguez's first home run in 74 at-bats. The game started at 7:07 PM EST and ended at 12:43 AM EST. The starting pitcher for the Red Sox was Josh Beckett, which continued to haunt the Yankees of their loss in the 2003 World Series. - *August 9, 2009: With the Red Sox winning 2-1 heading to the bottom of the 8th, Johnny Damon homered to tie the game followed by Mark Teixeira homering to give Yankees the lead, breaking an MLB Record for most back-to-back home runs by a pair of teammates in a season and giving the Yankees their first sweep of the Red Sox since 2007. - *August 21, 2009: The Yankees had 23 hits and the Red Sox had 12 in 20-11 Yankees victory where the total runs scored (31) is the most runs collected by both teams in the history of their rivalry.[55] - *September 27, 2009: The Yankees complete a three-game sweep of the Red Sox with a 4-2 victory, clinching their first AL East title since 2006. Yankees came back to tie the series against the Red Sox 9-9, after starting with an 0-8 record against them. Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano records his 200th hit of the season allowing him and shortstop Derek Jeter to become the first ever middle infield duo to both achieve 200 hits in one season.[56] - *November 4, 2009: The Yankees beat the Phillies in the 2009 World Series 4-2 and earn their 27th World Series Title. - *2010: The Yankees and the Red Sox started and finished the season against each other at Fenway Park.[1][2] This was the first time since 1950 this has happened.[57] During the season, Joe Torre managed games against both teams for the first time since becoming manager of the Dodgers.[1][2][58] While the Red Sox and Yankees played each other to begin and end the season in 2005, the season began at Yankee Stadium and ended at Fenway Park. - *May 8, 2010: The Red Sox bullpen gives Mark Teixeira 3 home-runs in a 14-3 Yankee win, the first time a Yankee has hit 3 home runs in a game since Alex Rodriguez did so in 2005 against the Minnesota Twins and only the second time a Yankee hit 3 home runs against the Red Sox in one game.[59] Josh Beckett hits Yankee batters Robinson Cano, who was forced to leave the game from his hit knee, and Derek Jeter with the bases loaded.[60] He gives up more runs when he aims for the heads of Nick Swisher and Francisco Cervelli by going up and in. During the next game, CC Sabathia retaliates by hitting Dustin Pedroia on the first pitch.[60] - *July 11–13, 2010: A moment of peace in the rivalry came with the passings of former public address announcer for the New York Yankees, Bob Sheppard on July 11 at the age of 99 at his home in Long Island, New York, and that of former principal owner and managing partner of the New York Yankees, George Steinbrenner, at the age of 80 at his Tampa, Florida home on the very day of the 2010 Major League Baseball All-Star Game two days later. Both teams opened the second half at their respective stadiums with a moment of silence for Steinbrenner and Sheppard.[61][62][63] - *August 8, 2010: Both teams play at Yankee Stadium in a game that saw Derek Jeter pass Babe Ruth on the all-time hits list as well as Alex Rodriguez join Barry Bonds and Willie Mays as the only players to ever hit 600 home runs and steal 300 bases. The Yankees went on to win the game 7-2.[64] - *October 3, 2010: The Red Sox beat the Yankees, knocking them out of first place in the American League East and relegating them to the wild-card for the 2010 season.[65] The Tampa Bay Rays won the American League East with a win in Kansas City.[66]

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Key Moments Incorporation

I incorporated the "Key Moments" points through the Bucky Dent game. More when I get a chance, but if anyone can, please continue. Arnabdas (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Boston Sucks Chant After Giants Victory over Patriots in Super Bowl XLII

From my understanding, there may be some youtube clips of Giants fans shouting this during the parade. However, I also understand that youtube is not considered a reliable source by wikipedia standards. Although I disagree with that guideline myself, we still have to follow it. If someone has a reliable source then include it if they did chant it. Arnabdas (talk) 16:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I have not seen a reliable source for Giants fans shouting Boston sucks during their parade after beating the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII. Also, I haven't seen any YouTube clips of Giants fans shouting Boston sucks. Jets fans would do that, but Giants fans, like fans of the Mets and the Rangers, would chant "Philadelphia sucks!" as it's part of their hatred for the Eagles. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 20:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

There were no Giants fans shouting "Boston sucks!" and "Red Sox sucks!" during the parade following their win in the Super Bowl. For the Giants, the Mets, and the Rangers, such chants would be made towards Philadelphia and the Phillies, and to a lesser extent, the Flyers, because their rivalry is with the Philadelphia Eagles. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 13:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Saying that there were none is a far reaching and incorrect statement. I shouted it. Now of course that does not necessarily mean it should be included here without a reliable source. You're incorrectly assuming that all Giants fans are automatically Met fans...even the majority of which. I would propose the opposite is in fact true due to the longevity of their histories, sharing of stadiums and the like. Boldly claiming Met and Giant fans are the same is a falsehood. Arnabdas (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

LeBron James and Liverpool Deal

I inserted the story into the article initially because I thought it had some relevance to the rivalry. James has gotten grief over the deal...saying he spurned NY twice, first by not signing with the Knicks and second by this deal. It is a stretch I agree, but I thought it should be included because if it was not notable to the Y-RS rivalry then he would not have gotten any grief over it at all. I'll put it back in for now based on that rationale, so if someone wants to take it out let's discuss it. Arnabdas (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

It's about soccer, and he's a basketball player. It might be New York / Boston rivalry as cities, but not Yankees and Red Sox... unless the article is supposed to be about the cities as well as the ball clubs. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The cities were mentioned as a lead in and given LeBron's choice to go to Miami over NY was just added backdrop, but him getting criticized for doing a deal with Liverpool is BECAUSE of the rivalry. If he wasn't a Yankee fan or if Liverpool was owned by another MLB club's ownership, he wouldn't have gotten fire. Arnabdas (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Present Tense?

There are several instances in the article where the present tense is used. Outside of the lede and maybe a few other places, it strikes me as inappropriate given that most of the article deals with history that has already happened, some of it over a hundred years ago, so it should be past tense. It's also incredibly confusing given that most of the article is, in fact, written in the past tense. Some examples.

Glory of the Red Sox:

  • Years later on April 20, 1912, Boston, now known as the Red Sox since 1908, open Fenway Park with a game against the Highlanders (should be "opened").
  • However, the Red Sox won the game 2–1, and go on to capture their fifth Series title, their third in the past four years, and fourth in the past seven years (should be "went on;" "in the past __ years" implies that these are the years immediately preceding the current year, the phrase should be omitted from the sentence)

Curse of the Bambino:

  • April 18, 1923 would be the day both the Red Sox and Yankees play for the first time at the Yankees new home (should be "played")

There may be more, this is just based on a quick perusal. I would go through and change it myself but unfortunately don't have the time for editing Wikipedia at the moment, so I thought to bring it to other editors' attention in the hope that they'll address the matter. TempDog123 (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I would do it now, but I have to go now. Either you or I can do it later. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I took a few minutes to make the changes I saw and add some info to the article. But if you could, read through it again because I think there are other instances where present tense is used that I might have missed. Thanks.TempDog123 (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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