Talk:Yoko Ono/GA4

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Reviewer: XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 16:51, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is definitely in better shape than when I first reviewed it. However, there are still many problems.

Prose
Lead
  • Add "after" at the start of the first sentence in the second paragraph.  Done Thanks for the catch.
  • "Plastic Ono Band" should not be bolded in the fourth paragraph.  Done
  • "Artists Against Fracking" should not be bolded in the fifth paragraph.  Not done Took out bolding but left without quotation marks. The capitalization already sets it off, and a club from a small town high school would not be put in quotation marks either.--Aichik (talk) 22:28, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fine with me. Done Great, then this is done.--Aichik (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Early life and family
  • The first paragraph still needs some rewriting. Try something like "Yoko Ono was born in Tokyo on February 18, 1933, to Isoko Ono (小野 磯子 Ono Isoko) and banker/pianist Eisuke Ono (小野 英輔 Ono Eisuke). Isoko's paternal grandfather Zenjiro Yasuda (安田 善次郎 Yasuda Zenjirō) was an affiliate of the Yasuda clan and zaibatsu. Eisuke came from a long line of samurai warrior-scholars. The kanji translation of Ono's first name Yoko means 'ocean child'."
John Lennon
  • "Lennon wrote and recorded "Happiness is a Warm Gun," on September 24 and 25, 1968 contains sexual references toward Ono." → "Lennon wrote and recorded "Happiness is a Warm Gun," on September 24 and 25, 1968. The song contains sexual references toward Ono."  Done
First solo album and Fly
  • The bit on Tony's religious conversion and where his second wife grew up would belong in an article on him, not here.

 Done I kept in that the wife was American, but took out that she was from Houston.

New York
separation from Lennon and reunion
  • The John Lennon quote on his son Julian belongs in one or both of their articles, not here. Not done Don't agree. I cut the quote so that it balances it with his description of Sean, but it's really telling of Lennon and thus Ono's relationship to Julian.
  • Very well, the quote in full definitely seemed WP:UNDUE.
Could you please explain instead of just shutting down? Ono had her hands full with John, Sean, her own mental health, her career, and the negative backlash from the press and Beatles fans. You think that she could've been more doting toward Julian? Very important to point out John's terrible relationship with his first son. It was news to me.--Aichik (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because it would be better to have quotes from Julian on Yoko or vice versa. If John mentioned Yoko in that quote, would've seemed more suitable for inclusion. Julian did have a strained relationship with his father, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it was overall terrible- the two did reconcile and have some good times together.
What quote is out there of Lennon talking about Yoko's relationship to Julian? This is a section about Yoko's relationship with Julian. My quote illustrates what underlies Yoko's relationship to Julian. Whatev. I'll take out but I am holding you to your promise that you will not ask for more edits on this on top of what you've asked for today. And explain the notes stuff geez. No idea what you're talking about there.--Aichik (talk) 00:36, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, after giving this some thought, valid to keep if you'd like. It does give a comparison between Julian and Sean. Sorry about that.
 Done Fantastic, thanks--Aichik (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This section is better off titled simply "Separation from Lennon and reunion" Done
Musical career
2000s
  • Per MOS:PUNT and MOS:QUOTEMARKS, "On the strength of the singles “Hold Me” (Featuring Dave Audé) and “Walking on Thin Ice” the artist" should be "On the strength of the singles "Hold Me" (Featuring Dave Audé) and "Walking on Thin Ice" the artist" Not done There weren't any smart quotes when I checked.
  • In "the then-80 year old beat her friend Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Robin Thicke", is Yoko friends with Katy and Robin as well? If so, change "friend" to "friends". Otherwise, have something like "the then-80 year old beat, Katy Perry, Robin Thicke, and friend Lady Gaga". Done--Aichik (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relationship with the Beatles
Relationship with Julian Lennon
  • Julian's quote on how John Lennon was a hypocrite belongs in one of their articles, not here. Done
  • More MOS:QUOTEMARKS errors- "Julian and I tried to be friends. Of course, if he’s too friendly with me, then I think that it hurts his other relatives. He was very loyal to his mother. That was the first thing that was in his mind." should read "Julian and I tried to be friends. Of course, if he's too friendly with me, then I think that it hurts his other relatives. He was very loyal to his mother. That was the first thing that was in his mind."
 Not done Again, not sure what the issue is here. The quote marks for both sets you cite above appear to me to be the same and correct.--Aichik (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sourcing
New York
Return to Japan, early career, and motherhood
  • ref#14 doesn't explicitly indicate Tony got "full custody" of Kyoko. Find a reference that states this more explicitly. Done Great catch. No mention of full custody. Taken out.
  • ref#15 for some reason is not loading for me. Replace this. Not done Recoded reference, see if it works for you now.--Aichik (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I checked, but it somehow doesn't. However, I did find some working refs (which I used in place and edited accordingly).
Maybe your iffy connection has something to do with your accessing the article outside the U.S. I'm copying and pasting the article at the bottom. A straight-up reference without a link should be fine but I think readers should have access to this article. It's a lot more balanced than even some of these books are.--Aichik (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
John Lennon
  • ref#19 has a stray "{" that needs to be removed. Done
  • ref#23 is missing an "o" and currently reads "Yoko On: Biography" Done
  • ref's #24 through #29 should not link to this article. It would be more appropriate to link to the article on books being used if such articles exist. Not done Don't understand issue. These are all books. As are all the ones you mention below.
  • Maybe this is clearer: when I hover over the reference for clicking it, the click only takes me down to the reference itself in the reflist. If the book has a Wikipedia article, link to that article. Otherwise, remove all links within the ref. Currently, clicking on it takes users to the reference section in this article.
Please see Shortened footnotes regarding this method, also the comments that I left at Help talk:Cite errors#Yoko Ono. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Believe these are all taken care of now.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Bed-Ins and other early collaborations
  • ref's #30 through #33 and ref#35 also should not link to this article
Take a look now.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It has been resolved. Big thanks to Redrose64.
The Plastic Ono Band
  • ref#38 should also not link to this article.
Whatever number this link is now, believe it's taken care of.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref#15 is still not loading for me for some reason
New York
separation from Lennon and reunion
  • ref's #49 and #50 also should not link to this article.
Whatever number this link is now, believe it's taken care of.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Artwork
Association with Fluxus
  • ref's #59, #62, and #63 should also not link to this article.  Not done Eliminated #59 (now #60) as there are other references there. Don't understand your references to #62 and 63. Articulate your problem with them. They are books.--Aichik (talk) 00:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See if my above explanation helped.
Whatever #62 and #63 are now, I believe they've been taken care of.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wish Tree, 1981-present
  • ref#73 also should not link to this article.
Believe this is no longer an issue.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Recognition and retrospectives
  • ref's #80 through #85 also should not link to this article.
 Done Redrose64 has taken care of these.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Musical career
Pre-Lennon
  • ref's #62 and #63 again should not link to this article.
Believe these are no longer an issue.--Aichik (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
1980s
  • "Ono performed at Queen Elizabeth Hall." needs to be cited or removed
  • Once more, ref#15 is not loading for me. Replace this or remove. Done See above.
  • "It was one of Lennon's projects that he never got to finish. Later that year, Ono and Lennon's final album, Milk and Honey, was released as an unfinished demo. It peaked at No. 3 in the UK and No. 11 in the U.S., where it went gold." needs to be cited or removed. Done and updated as it went gold in the UK and Canada too.--Aichik (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
1990s
  • The entire first paragraph needs to be cited. If the material from it is from ref#107, the sentence with that ref should be at the end of the paragraph. Done
  • "Guest remixers of Rising material included Cibo Matto, Ween, Tricky, and Thurston Moore. In 1997, Rykodisc reissued all her solo albums on CD, from Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band through Starpeace. Ono and her engineer Rob Stevens personally remastered the audio, and various bonus tracks were added, including outtakes, demos, and live cuts." needs to be cited. Done--Aichik (talk) 04:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Collaborations
  • Everything after "During her career, Ono also has collaborated with Earl Slick, David Tudor, Fred DeAsis, and Richard Maxfield. As a dance music artist, Ono has worked with re-mixers/producers including Basement Jaxx" needs to be cited.
 Done--Aichik (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Public Image
  • Once more, ref#15 isn't loading for me (not sure why since it loaded when I first reviewed the article).
2000s
  • In the first paragraph, "and aired on TNT and the WB" needs to be cited. Put ref#22 at the end of that sentence if it is contained within the ref. Done It wasn't so I did.--Aichik (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the second paragraph, "According to Ono, the work was meant to be innocent, not shocking; she was attempting to replicate the experience of a baby looking up at its mother's body, those parts of the mother's body being a child's introduction to humanity." needs to be cited. Done
  • In the third paragraph, "wearing white, like many of the others who performed during the ceremony, to symbolize the snow that makes the Winter Olympics possible. She read a free verse poem calling for peace in the world as an introduction to a performance of the song "Imagine"." needs to be cited. If this is contained within ref's #129 and #130, put those at the end of the paragraph. Done Looks like it was paraphrased from her site, ImaginePeace, so I reworked it and added a second reference to reiterate Peter Gabriel's performance. Done
  • In the fourth paragraph, everything after its first sentence needs to be cited. Done Put in a second reference because the first describes Yuka Honda erroneously as a guest: It's clear from the credits she did a bit more.--Aichik (talk) 04:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
2010s
  • Is "and the second on June 23 to perform Double Fantasy with special guests" contained within ref#94? If so, put this ref at the end of the sentence.
Political activism and social media
  • The entire first paragraph needs to be cited.
 Done Also took out press reaction in Amsterdam detail originally copied from Wiki Bed-In article.--Aichik (talk) 17:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and featured an unflattering David Levine cartoon" at the end of the second paragraph needs to be cited.
 Done--Aichik (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relationship with the Beatles
  • ref's #181, #183, and #184 should not link to this article.
Relationship with Julian Lennon
  • Daily Mail is not a reliable source per WP:RSN, and everything in the first paragraph after "when Dad gave up music for a couple of years to be with Sean, why couldn't he do that with me?" needs to be cited.
Coverage
  • No problems here
Neutrality
  • No problems here
Stability
  • No problems here
GA Result
  • Not as problematic as before, but still needs some thorough addressing. The points on ref's linking to this article are relatively minor but still need addressing. If the above is addressed within the next seven days, I will pass the GAN. I'd hate to have to fail this again after so much work was put in to get this up to GA, though things aren't looking very good right now. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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