Talk:Yoshukai Karate

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Link farm[edit]

Each external link included must meet the the criteria WP:EL. No apparent justification for any of these. Individual justification must be shown before being returned. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:29, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, TheRedPenOfDoom, these are the official sites of the various Yoshukai offshoots. Please follow the links to verify. Thank you.

WP:ELNO -out of scope - individual "official" sites in an article about a method, sites not in english etc.. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:07, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment about method isn't clear. Yoshukai is not a unified style. Some of the sites are not in English because they are for offshoot Yoshukai organizations in Japan, Germany, Latvia, Latin America, Canada, etc.
We absolutely do not need to list every organisation's website. Wikipedia is not a linkfarm. See also WP:ELMAYBE#3: a directory of these organisations might be acceptable, but individual links to all of them are not. Martial arts articles are plagued by lists like this, which are subject to horrific listcreep whenever new editors roll up, see the overblown list of links and think, "Oh dear, my tiny, five-member dojo in the middle of nowhere isn't listed - better add it in". We do not have to include links to every Yoshukai organisation, and we have specific policies in place to ensure that we don't. Yunshui 雲水 07:29, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How are you going to decide which to include, then? There's no one head organization. These aren't every little dojo. As far as I can tell from looking at the links, they're separate entities based on different countries or different regions. There's already a comment that some of them aren't in English. Check the history. There seems to have been no apparent list creep. Pkeets (talk) 14:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
By referring to the policy - which as I've already pointed out, finds a directory of these organisations acceptable, but not a list. A case could perhaps be made for including yoshukai.org and wykko.com, but most of the international organisations mentioned in the article are not notable in their own right and probably shouldn't even be included in the text of the article, let alone as an external link. Yunshui 雲水 14:23, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You guys are trolls, right? I'll catch you later. Pkeets (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Personal attacks don't exactly help your case. Link to the policy that says we should put all these links in, or leave them out. Yunshui 雲水 18:40, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over revisions[edit]

As far as I can see, the external links in this article are appropriate. Please discuss the issue here, rather than continuing to revert the links. Three reversions without discussion may result in administrative interventions. Pkeets (talk) 02:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, they do not meet WP:EL. Each link must be shown to meet the criteria and have consensus. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I found this talk page via a request on the help desk, due to an editwar. First off, never ever do an editwar. On topic, wp:ELMINOFFICIAL states to limit the number of official websites. One link to the main page is enough. I support limiting this list of official links. -- Taketa (talk) 05:36, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment isn't quite clear. Yoshukai is not a unified style, so there is no single official website. If you'll check the article, you'll see the links point to different regional organizations which are listed in the text. By the way, I didn't make that initial reversion. I agree with whoever did it. Pkeets (talk) 07:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
if there is no official website for the style which is the subject of this article, then there is no justification for any of the links. see WP:OFFICIAL and WP:ELNO particularly #5, #13, #14 and #19. Please read WP:EL and base your rationale for inclusion on the guidelines. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kanji name of kata[edit]

I have researched some of the japanese for the katas in Yoshukai karate and found some issues with the list in the wikipedia page.

Tenshin : 転身 

- not 荘鎮 (whose prononciation is "Sōchin")
- 転 "ten" : turn
- 身 "shin" : body
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chit%C5%8D-ry%C5%AB#Tenshin

Sōchin : 荘鎮 

- not 壯鎭 (which is the kanji used for a sochin kata in some other styles of karate)
- "While sharing a name with kata from other styles, the Chitō-ryū version of Sōchin (荘鎮) is completely different and seems to be Chitose's own creation."
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chit%C5%8D-ry%C5%AB#S.C5.8Dchin
- but 壯鎭 might just be a more traditional way of writing the kata's name

Gekisai : 撃砕 

- I would tend to go with: 撃砕 rather than 撃塞 (which can also be found to describe the kata but much more rarely)
- 撃 means "attack"
- 砕 means "destroy"
- while 塞 means "fortress" as in the bassai kata's name
- https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gekisai
- 撃砕 is what I get 95% of times in a google search: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=gekisai+%E6%92%83
- usually the name "gegasai" is given to this kata in the context of Yoshukai karate although I have no idea why

Seisan 

- Chitose decided to rename the kata into 正整
- 正整 means "correct arrangement"
- the traditional name 十三 means "13" (or by extension "13 hands")
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chit%C5%8D-ry%C5%AB#Seisan

See, also a list of chito-ryu katas: 

- http://pages.infinit.net/chitoryu/karate/kar_prog.html
- BTW, this link is also the one the wikipedia page claims to be drawing the kanji information from; although it agrees with the corrections I am suggesting above

I also searched japanese sources and found (so far) that those corrections are valid. Other webpages that are drawing their information from the english wikipedia pages are propagating kanji used on this page.

GS, 24 january 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8071:238A:7100:223:14FF:FE7C:FC4 (talk) 02:31, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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