Talk:You Are My Sunshine

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This article cites no sources, and none are listed at the bottom of the page. Further improvements could come in the form of categories, an infobox, a TOC, etc. SixTimes7 02:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If it's all right with everyone, I'd like to add a link to [1] and a comment to the effect that the origins of "You Are My Sunshine" are rather uncertain. I'd also like to change the "Rice Brothers" like to say "Rice Brothers Gang," since most of the sources I've seen (all from the internet, unfortunately) say that this is the name of Paul Rice's band.

21 March 2015: I concur about 'uncertain'. The article says the song was authored by someone and then refers to recordings made _previously_; then goes on to mention several other 'authors' to the point of complete confusion as to who really wrote the song to begin with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.76.28.94 (talk) 01:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

-- The song quotes/borrows rather heavily from the 1915 song "The Wedding Of The Sunshine And The Rose". I doubt it'd make it past copyright laws these days! —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlayerRoll (talk • contribs) 11:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Just for your information, guys. Here's a Ukrainian folk song "Ой, там на горі": http://nostalgie.com1.ru/mihhail/trio_marenych/15-oi_tam_na_gori.mp3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivorotsen (talk • contribs) 10:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe the Ukrainian folk song referenced above was a remix. The original melody is quite different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlN1nC93uGM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.176.252.32 (talk) 17:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

My Grandma talks about writing this song as a poem (see the Paul Rice link) and sending the poem into a radio station. At the time if you wanted the poem to be credited to you, you had to send in a small fee with the song. Grandma could not afford the fee so she just sent in the poem. She lives in a small town in Minnesota. Sun7shine (talk) 03:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

2021

Remember no original research. Right now I am satisfied our article is right down the middle, without fringe theories. Our recordings are well-researched, except for the big list, which I am still working on. I am going to update Jimmie Davis' main article, because I learned a lot about his 1930s-early 40s music before Billboard had a Country chart, still very poorly documented. But there were charts out there, you just need to look harder. -- 22:56, 23 August 2021 Tillywilly17

International success

As the song is well known in Australia, it occurred to me that some information on the global success, sales and popularity of the song would be good. Alpheus (talk) 20:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced Material

Below information was tagged for needing sourcing in June 2011. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate references. Doniago (talk) 15:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding many references not only for me, but for all those recordings without references. BMI has them listed, because they collect the money. Peermusic charges $300 to license "You Are My Sunshine" I read somewhere. Maybe I will add some info, but I would have to confirm with peermusic, and that is borderline original research, so maybe we'll leave that for another website. Tillywilly17 (talk) 22:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Recordings

==Recordings== "You Are My Sunshine" has been recorded many times. It is today a widely recognized song and a standard for traditional country music and traditional jazz performers. Early chart versions include: Bing Crosby, Bob Atcher and Bonnie Blue Eyes, Gene Autry, and the Airport Boys. In one or more of these versions, the song was in Billboard's country charts for over one year. Rock and roll performances by Tony Sheridan and Bill Haley & His Comets also exist. The Haley performance was recorded in 1969 and was sung by the band's bass player, Ray Cawley; it was not released until the early 1990s. Jump, Little Children used to play a song called "Pink Lemonade" which borrowed the chorus and was a success with fans. The song has also been recorded by Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Brian Wilson, Trini Lopez, Ray Charles, and Aretha Franklin from Aretha Arrives (1967), among others. Charles' version was the most popular, commercially, reaching #1 on the soul singles chart, and #7 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, using a modified melody that little resembled the original. A duet between Charles and Chris Isaak was included in Charles' 2005 duets album Genius & Friends. Northern Irish hard rockers Therapy? recorded an excerpt of the song, which was released as a bonus track on their 1994 album Troublegum. Songwriter Conor Oberst uses the chorus of the song in dramatic effect on "The Calendar Hung Itself" by Bright Eyes. The outro of the song "Flowers and Football Tops" by the Scottish band Glasvegas features the first verse of "You Are My Sunshine".

Commercial Use

I recall a 1970's commercial (for Lemon Up shampoo?) in which a man in the street serenades a woman in a window using modified lyrics: You are my lemon, my only lemon...MistySpock (talk) 04:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

All information published in Wikipedia should be verifiable. Do you have a reliable source? Doniago (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Youtube video

Im not sure I believe this Youtube video claiming a Ukrainian origin of the melody of the song. How do we know the Ukrainian song is older? Couldnt it just be an adaptation of the melody that originated in the USA? ☮Soap☮ 13:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I removed it, and I see up above that this has been debated before ... I saw that the link was only recently added and didnt realize it had been here in 2008 as well.☮Soap☮ 13:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Nat King Cole version

For details of the recording session: http://www.jazzdisco.org/nat-king-cole/discography/. This rendition of the somg is available over YouTube.Amand Keultjes (talk) 12:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

used info thanks Tillywilly17 (talk) 22:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Barber Pole Rag

I have removed the paragraph concerning the "Barber Pole Rag". I have examined the linked manuscript and don't find much similarity beyond rhythm and melodic contour. At any rate, in the absence of a reliable source in support of the comparison, the whole idea is inappropriate for Wikipedia per WP:OR. Ibadibam (talk) 05:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Covers

35 "performers" now listed on Wikidata page. I think it's adding all the properly sourced entries. Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Would like to remove "Tone" message COVERS stays, section is awful, just a year and a name sometimes. I am working on them, one at a time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tillywilly17 (talk • contribs)

I assume you're referring to the Discography section that you added. All of the covers will need to be sourced or bluelinked or deleted per WP:SONGCOVER. Really, I'd rather this wasn't even in the article until it was in a better state as it looks dreadful right now. Can you please let us know when you're done working on them? Thanks. DonIago (talk) 13:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I added? Tillywilly17 (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're saying. Multiple entries still have no sources. In some cases there's a Youtube link, but that doesn't satisfy WP:SONGCOVER. DonIago (talk) 18:51, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

TW17 is saying they did not add the discography section. This is what it looked like before they ever touched it. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 02:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

That was the monster I inherited. I worked on page all day, it is evolving. Need opinion please.

I weeded the Discography section, started adding commentary, but I don't like format. The information is starting to come, reason why the entry is on the list

I expect to remove many more entries, this is good exercise, writing the reason why it belongs

I deleted a bunch because there was none

look at page layout also, better or worse? Tillywilly17 (talk) 03:31, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

btw, the more I learn, the more I disagree with the level of importance

this song is legendary

I think it gets low rating because of crappy article

I was crazy to take this on, it is way out of my league, but that ship has left the dock

I am getting ideas for additional sections, mainly by reading other Wicki articles

Check out my streamlined intro

and I am working on text for Discography section

I haven't figured out how that is going to turn out, but the original guy was trying to communicate the 350+ recordings, in different genres Tillywilly17 (talk) 03:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I wrote to talk page for [[WikiProject United States]] Tillywilly17 (talk) 04:05, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

A huge number of artists from many genres have recorded this song. I can organize renditions by genres/sub-genres with a short descripton and history for each, limiting to 3 examples. Pop, country, folk, r&b. That will give "the list" a new life with a purpose. I will go over wiki guidelines again, and review some similar articles, maybe "Happy Birthday" or "Star Spangled Banner".

I trimmed the list way down, and removed an infobox. I know I need to trim the list down more, and this is my idea for doing. "You Are My Sunshine" seems to appeal to all musicians, and humans love to hear it. I'll give some statistics, then describe each group, and the examples provided. Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Maybe use this list format for the notable recordings we select AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs. Tillywilly17 (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended content

Year Artist Album Release Date media link info 1939 Pine Ridge Boys Bluebird single B-8263 October 6, 1939 (1939-10-06) You Are My Sunshine first known recording 1939 Rice Brothers Gang Decca single 5813 October 13, 1939 (1939-10-13) You Are My Sunshine Paul Rice possible original composer 1939 Carter Family The Carter Family On Border Radio 1939 late 1939 You Are My Sunshine ℗ 1999 Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. Originally released on Arhoolie Records 1940 Bob Atcher & Bonnie Blue Eyes Vocalion Single 05370 February 1940 (1940-02) You Are My Sunshine First #1 record June 1940 1940 Jimmie Davis with Charles Mitchell's Orchestra Decca single 5813 March 1940 (1940-03) You Are My Sunshine Davis original recording

It's been almost three weeks since the problem was first discussed[2] and still almost all of the 45+ listings under "Notable renditions" have no indication that they are indeed notable or otherwise meet WP:SONGCOVER. Most of the sources used only show that the renditions exist, but do not provide any discussion that they are "important enough to have gained attention in their own right". This is necessary to distinguish them from the hundreds of other recorded versions and to provide an encyclopedic treatment of the song. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes sir, I will devote attention to it. I am familiar now with many of the recordings on the list, and I have already written 2 paragraphs. Check back in two days. Tillywilly17 (talk) 14:31, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

In preparation, I rewrote and enhanced the Chart performance and Recognition sections. i will be deleting all recordings discussed in those sections from the "Notable renditions" section. That will leave a list of the songs interpreted in different styles - blues, jazz, rockabilly etc. That will be the theme of that section, one example of each, plus some special picks. I already moved movie versions to Cinema, need to write that section up later. Tillywilly17 (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

46 left Tillywilly17 (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

At ease soldier. I notice that many of the YouTube links do not show that the uploads are official. WP:SONG#Lyrics and music videos includes "When linking to a music video on YouTube use only the videos that have been uploaded by the musician(s), the record companies, or Vevo." Videos that were uploaded by unknown individuals, such as Croonr1, Chuck Slocumb, Nicole, et al., should not be used in WP articles. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

There are many in artist names by "Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises" ok? Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I have replaced Nicole and others thanks to generosity of Sony and Universal Tillywilly17 (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Then I move on to Cinema and the rest of that section Tillywilly17 (talk) 00:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I am ready for you to check the article before I proceed further. All youtube are either good or deleted. I added citations in several sections, I see there are still a few missing, those are on my list. I would like to get the page to a stage where the notices are removed, and it is at least respectable. I will still work on it after that, adding content to the covers, cinema, and any other under developed areas. When I find something interesting, I add it. Let me know.

If there is a major deficiency in the covers section, I need to know. I plan to add additional content to almost all of the entries, it takes time to do all the research. We need to get this to a decent level, then I can move on to stage 2 Tillywilly17 (talk) 03:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Otherwise, how does rough section look so far? Is the list size Ok? I have to make another run to edit wording, and there are several I want to do more research and add a line or two. Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

There's no indication that Orchard Enterprises is affiliated with the artists or record companies, so its uploads should not be used. Likewise with "Believe SAS", "PIAS", "Zebralution", "Virtual Label", "Redeye Worldwide", "Peter Ballerscheff", "Milan Parlic", etc. Also, video links are usually located in an "External links" section using Template:YouTube and not inline within the text (may create an WP:EASTEREGG-type problem).

Almost all of the entries in "Notable renditions" lack sources that show that they meet WP:SONGCOVER. For example, the source for Marvin Gaye looks like a streaming site (not a RS) with all of the album tracks and no information that his rendition is somehow noteworthy. Similarly, AllMusic only lists two albums which include Smiley Lewis' version, but there is no write-up indicating that there is anything worth mentioning about it. This also applies to entries in "Appearances", where the sources don't actually discuss the song, but are "merely listed or mentioned in passing; e.g. a movie review in a quality source simply lists the songs in the movie, without discussing the importance or merits of the songs' use" (see WP:SONGTRIVIA).

In short, the versions/appearances that are listed appear to be little more than personal choices. There are also numerous style and formatting problems (capitalization, abbreviations, etc.) These need to be fixed before the cleanup notices can be removed.

—Ojorojo (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Is this section of the article still "under construction"? I've been avoiding making edits to it because I wanted to give interested editors a fair chance to get it into the best shape they could, but that wasn't meant to last indefinitely. If it is still being worked on, I'd at least appreciate some indication as to when that work might be considered completed. Thanks. DonIago (talk) 14:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead. Tillywilly17 (talk) 22:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the changes-DaveTillywilly17 (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I want to restore this but first I will provide additional details which will explain why I believe it is notable

• 1959 Country Studio version number 3 by Jimmie Davis, running successfully for his second term as Louisiana Governor Decca 30960 recorded February 5, 1959 from the album 'You Are My Sunshine', Decca DL 8896 released June 1959.

5 February 1959 Bradley Film & Recording Studio, 804 16th Ave. South, Nashville 3, TN - Jimmie Davis 391 106647/NA 10606 I HUNG MY HEAD AND CRIED DL-78896 392 106648/NA 10607 YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE 9-30960/ DL-78896 393 106649/NA 10608 WORRIED MIND ED-2654/DL-78896 394 106650/NA 10609 MY MARY 9-30899/DL-78896

"You Are My Sunshine"

Tillywilly17 (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

The list has been trimmed substantially from the original 170+. Of those remaining, several do not show that they are "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right" (SONGCOVER). For example, the AllMusic source for the 1959 Davis version mentioned above does not discuss the song at all, but merely lists albums on which it appears (a 1959 version appears on a 1947 album?). How does this show that it is "important enough to have gained attention in their own right" (SONGCOVER) or why you "believe it is notable"? —Ojorojo (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

yes I am sorry, I was under the impression that allmusic was acceptable! So I made a bunch of errors that I could have easilly avoided by choosing alternate reference

shit trying to do it all too fast sorry again Tillywilly17 (talk) 00:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

fyi I have plenty of notes to fix up cinekma section Tillywilly17 (talk) 00:35, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Professional reviews and biographies in AllMusic are acceptable. But they must actually say something about the version before they can be used as a source – a track listing or list of albums by itself does not show that a version is noteworthy or worth including in a WP article. How about if I remove the refs that have no discussion about the version, so you can better see what doesn't work. Along the way, I'll also remove some of the more obvious user-generated/self-published sources. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Running your own fansite is different than editing WP. Copying material from elsewhere without acknowledging the sources, linking videos with no indication they are copyright compliant, deciding what is notable and how to present it, etc., is typical for personal websites and blogs. But WP operates by consensus and has legitimate copyright concerns. I'll go ahead and remove the covers and other appearances as per the discussions over the last couple of months. There is the problem of the overuse of infoboxes that still needs to be addressed. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

References

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Please point out specific passages and I will editTillywilly17 (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

covers2

I read article from my phone today (power is out in my neighborhood). Some of it Is very good and informative we need to add back a covers section, if only as a summary. i is too much to overlook. i will create it, not afraid to have it totally trashed if necessary. Article has come a long way. Tillywilly17 (talk

You're welcome to do so, but please review WP:SONGCOVER before making any changes. A laundry list of covers without sources that establish their significance will be removed. DonIago (talk) 14:30, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tillywilly17: are you going to restore the covers and notable renditions section? It's a glaring omission and has been gone for a while now. I understand it was being pruned but if it is going to be absent for so many months I have half a mind to restore the old version so the article doesn't remain incomplete. BlackholeWA (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I was not the person who removed it. I decided not to invest additional time for an article I have no control over. Tillywilly17 (talk) 04:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I am a generous person with team spirit. However, some are only interested in their opinion, and not feelings of fellow editors. If you need copies, I probably can dig mine up. Sorry Tillywilly17 (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Restoring the old version without regard for the concerns that have been raised on this page would be disruptive. DonIago (talk) 04:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I apologize if it had to do with the youtube links, you were clear about that. Otherwise, I took a shot at repairing the section. I was not referring to you in my comment above! haha sorry Tillywilly17 (talk) 06:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I was addressing Blackhole's statement that they were considering restoring the old version. DonIago (talk) 07:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It's equally disruptive to outright remove a pretty major section of the article for months with no mind to replace it. The longer it's absent, the more likely the work there will be lost to the archives and have to be recreated from scratch. The usual iterative process is one of pruning and improving over time, not of removing entire sections that people agree should exist because a few of the data points weren't up to standard. I don't think the section should ever have been outright deleted from the article at all. BlackholeWA (talk) 16:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding your first point, have you reached out to the editor who removed that section? I don't think anyone's objecting to you restoring it as long as you do bear in mind the concerns that have been raised in the past. As far as I know, there's no Wikipedia policies that require that edits be iterative. The changes won't be "lost to the archives" when anyone can include a WP:PERMALINK as part of this discussion. Based on the above discussion, I think it's understating the problem to claim "a few of the data points weren't up to standard". TL;DR I'd say reach out to the editor who did the removal to get their opinion on this discussion, or do a thoughtful reinsertion of the material that does satify WP:SONGCOVER. If you simply reinsert the material with no plans to review it then that is disruptive editing. DonIago (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Blackhole doesn't appear to have read the preceding "Covers" discussion nor realize that WP:SONGCOVER reflects consensus. Problems with SONGCOVER should be taken up on the project talk page rather than here. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

The song itself?

How about some information about the content and the music of the song? 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:BD44:8D7F:7C84:BF33 (talk) 01:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Boy oh boy,

Where do I even begin? Lolnoman (talk) 02:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)