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parody

The UC Men's Octet made a parody of this song in 2003. You Gotta Go (Youtube link) -67.172.181.206 11:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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Stern

Removed from article:

nothing was confirmed about this rumor until May 2004, when, on the Howard Stern show, she inadvertently admitted it was about him.

Is this for real? Why did snopes overlook it and not update their page on it?
--CanadianCaesar 02:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

update: I heard the howard stern show that the previous person is referring to and it was made pretty clear that the song is about dave coulier— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.27.87 (talk) 11:57, 6 July 2006
  • What makes that an "update" is hard to imagine. In any case, "pretty clear" is far below the standards imposed by WP:BLP. Exact quotes, with a verifiable source for them, would be in order to include anything about this.
    --Jerzy•t 01:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I would guess that Snopes would disregarded an "inadvertent... admi[ssion]", esp'ly on that show, bcz what appears to be said inadvertantly may be either a slip of the tongue unnoticed by the speaker (and thus subject to no presumption of accuracy), or (esp'ly in light of Stern's iconic status as a shock jock) a plausibly deniable statement made (whether true or false) for shock effect, independent of the truth.
The removed text had, in its original form added 21:52 on 3 September 2005 by 71.28.82.238 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), the word "sub-consciously" where "inadvertently" stands above. The editor claiming to know her intentions (on 19:20, 22 September 2005) rather than her subconscious, is Esprit15d (talk · contribs).
--Jerzy•t 01:00 & 07:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Herald

The article cited by Snopes is accessible via this entry at the Herald Web archive, for $3.75 (or at lower average rates, ranging down to 30¢ if you need 500 a year) -- Wikipedia:Citing sources# Say where you found the material#note that the following citation may be attached to the article only by someone who has verified the content it justifies against the Herald article, not by anyone using Snopes's coverage and "adopting" their citation:

INSIDE TRACK H'wood has lots of Good Will for filming in Bay State
[01 Edition]
Boston Herald - Boston, Mass.
Author: Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa
Date: Mar 24, 1997
Start Page: 008
Section: NEWS
Text Word Count: 782

The 3-'graph teaser, comprising 145 words, is available free (but not freely reproducible, let alone under GFDL; it "pays off" the headline by talking about "Funnyman Robin Williams" being at "the fab Four Seasons" in preparation for Good Will Hunting, and in the same context drops the names of Gus Van Sant, Matt Damon, John Grisham, and Ben Affleck, and, loosely tied in, Matthew McConaughey, Morgan Freeman, and Brendan Fraser. (The reference to "Mass. Film Office's big Oscar Night Bash at the Regal Bostonian Hotel" leaves open the question of whether the cutting-edge journalism was from press releases -- and complemented by pasting.)
The additional 36 words quoted by Snopes, and by the accompanying article, but not in the free teaser, perhaps could be included in the article if restated other than beginning

reported that Coulier "admitted... [certain things, and uttered specific words]"

which is probably untrue, since Snopes attributes the "admitted..." quote to the PR guy, not the Herald, and invites the inference that the Herald made the same attribution.
But if (as i assume)

Snopes is accurate, what would follow is that
the Herald said that
a PR agent -- not identified by (or AFAWK known to) Snopes (nor maybe even by/to more than an unidentifiable one of the two reporters), and in any case employed not by Coulier, but by a business that Coulier was temporarily performing thru -- said
that Coulier uttered the specific words "an older version of me" and "the middle of dinner", and
that Coulier implied
it would make sense if some aspects of the song applied to him (without any apparent assertions that that would rule out their applying equally to others).

We also have to acknowledge that

even if Snopes would not, the reporters may have might have added to the artistic verisimilitude of the account by paraphrasing, even inside quotes, what the PR agent said, or that they or the agent might done the same with Coulier's supposedly specific nine words, and
no claim, let alone evidence, is apparently involved, that Coulier was sober, or that "admitted" excludes what he might utter while trying out some material, on stage or off.

Finally, note that this is not just about my admitted compulsiveness: the symbiosis of entertainment reporters and PR agents leaves plenty of room for agents to give plausible, in practice non-falsifiable, scoops (true or false) to the reporters in return for past or future ink that serves their clients (and raises their professional stature).
Even with knowledge of what the Herald said about the PR agent's supposed words, i said

perhaps could be included in the article

because BLP imposes especially stringent requirements, and verifiably accurate wording may have to

  1. be so convoluted as to be of interest only to (talk-page readers and) conspiracy-theory researchers (see NOT), rather than stating knowledge of notable facts, and/or
  2. violate NOR and SYNTH.

I'm not convinced an acceptable wording is feasible, but it's clear the current one:

In 1997 the Boston Herald reported that Coulier "admitted the lines are very close to home. Especially the one about 'an older version of me' and bugging him in 'the middle of dinner.' He said she used to do that all the time."

has to come out.
--Jerzy•t 07:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

"violent revenge scenarios"???

There are no "violent revenge scenarios" anywhere in these lyrics as the wiki article claims... MarcelB612 (talk) 04:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Coulier: The Mystery

"Alanis Morissette revealed that her angst-ridden hit 'You Oughta Know' was about her relationship with Coulier"...

All right... who is Coulier? There needs to be a line, a few words or something saying who this is supposed to be. It's sloppy the way the article is presently written. Gingermint (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

General cleanup

I have begun generally cleaning up this article, which has become somewhat of a mess. I have removed some duplicate text, fixed a lot of grammar and ambiguous phrasing and moved some sections around appropriately. Citations still need a lot of attention and one or two sections (particularly "Composition") need to be expanded. Take 1ne (talk) 17:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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