Talk:Zero-length launch

Practical or theory

Can somebody add info on how far this went on the road from design to actual implementation? I changed the article to suggest that it was more of an idea than a real weapon system, as the article seemed to imply before. Max robitzsch 11:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

It works better with lighter aircraft. As it was contemporaneous with the development of "robot aircraft" (in the parlance of the day, we'd call them "missiles" now) the real practical implementations of ZLL were for early generations of fixed-wing missiles. Take a look at the very good Mace-B site that's ref'd. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Mirage IV

Didn't the French also look at this with the Mirage IV? Andy Dingley (talk) 09:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

MiG19

There were just a few experiments with theese systems with SM-30 - special version of MiG19 - in the mid 1950s (Ходок) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.25.82.190 (talk) 06:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Widely used with UAVs

This article creates the impression that it was just a failed experimental idea, but in fact many modern UAVs use zero-length launchers. The article needs to be updated - the technology has changed a lot since the 1950s! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The UAVs do not use ZELL. Zero Length Launch is specifically the failed concept for the manned aircraft. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The Bushranger if we're going to be splitting hairs about alphabet soup, then what variety/flavor/version/type of "zero length launch" do UAVs use? There is no indication in the title of this article that restricts its scope to only one specific variety of zero-length launch.Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

That's because of WP:COMMONNAME; "Zero-length launch" isn't used for UAVs. It refers only to the manned experiments. The UAVs use rocket-assisted launches or are hand-launched. (There actually is another useage of "zero-length launch", but that refers to the rocket stubs mounted on some WWII aircraft). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I know of two articles about UAVs that do specifically say "zero-length launcher", backed up by reliable sources: Denel Dynamics Skua and DRDO Lakshya. Both UAVs' launch methods are also referred to as "rocket assisted" but AIUI that does not negate the fact that it is a type of zero-length launch. To solve the issue this article could be moved to Zero-length launch of manned aircraft so that it's scope is explicitly restricted. That would allow space for a new article covering the concept in it's broadest sense to be created. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:28, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The thing is that's "zero-length launcher" not "zero length launch", and "zero length launch of manned aircraft" would violate WP:COMMONNAME. Now, a seperate zero length launcher, mutually hatnoted with this article, might be a workable solution. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Good idea! I'll have a go at writing something at zero-length launcher, it currently redirects here. AFAIK that article would cover the launch systems used for many surface and air launched missiles and some UAVs. Most SRAAMs and, before VLS became popular, many naval missiles (particularly SAMs) used zero length launchers, and some still do. A hatnote there can explain that manned aircraft experiments are covered in this article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

To hyphenate or not to hyphenate, that is the question... apologies to William Shakespeare Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad this got sorted out! I would say that hyphenation is probably preferable. Don't even ask about en- and em-dashes. Abandon hope all ye who enter there! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 12:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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