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Links[edit]

I don't see what's especially "searchable" about the U2-lyrics.org link, and it strikes me as redundant in light of the much more informative U2Wanderer.org link that includes, among other things, the complete album lyrics. But whatever. --typhoon 09:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Time[edit]

This might seem minor, but how about standardizing the playing time for the songs between the main Zooropa page and the individual songs? I've been adding a bit of information to each of the songs to try and flesh them out, and I think the only thing left to do is a bit of housekeeping. Another six 03:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go ahead and do that since the last discussion post was made over a year ago. My source, btw, is my iTunes rip. Another six 03:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Zooropa[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Zooropa's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allmusic":

From Achtung Baby: "Achtung Baby – Overview". Allmusic. Retrieved 2009-10-13.
From The Joshua Tree: Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. "The Joshua Tree - Overview". Allmusic. Retrieved 2009-12-02.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Lemurbaby (talk) 05:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): ; b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): ; b (citations to reliable sources): ; c (No original research):

Please substantiate the final assertion regarding the hidden track (alarm sound) following "The Wanderer" at the end of the album.

I'm sorry - are you saying I should cite an uncited statement about the alarm (which I don't see in the article), or that I should specifically mention it? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 07:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm referring to the statement following the list of album tracks in the Track listing section. The assertion there should be substantiated using a citation.

Oh geez, I completely missed that it was there! I'll find a reference. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass Content revised. Lemurbaby (talk) 15:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please complete the reference for footnote 44 (de la Parra) - there is no related citation in the bibliography. I also did not see a point when you cited the book in the bibliography listed as authored by U2.

de la Parra was added. The book "authored" by U2 is U2 by U2, which is comprised entirely of the band members' own words from interviews. They didn't explicitly write it, but all of the words in the book are their own. The WikiProject U2 typically credits the footnotes to Neil McCormick, who essentially edited the book and compiled the entire thing. In summary, the footnotes for U2 by U2 credit McCormick. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 07:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass Bibliography is complete. Lemurbaby (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): ; b (focused):

I would like to see the introduction expanded to provide an overview of a few more choice sections of the article.

I've attempted to address this in the last paragraph of the lead. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 07:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass Lead provides sufficient overview of article content. Lemurbaby (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): ; b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

The article is very text-heavy. Two or three more illustrations would contribute significantly to its readability. Macphisto was a Zooropa-era innovation, wasn't he? Is there a photo of him that can be added?

I've added an image of Brian Eno - I can't really think of any others that we could add that would be relevant (except for an image of the band somewhere). If you can find some free images of the group from that time period, that would be superb. But I'm afraid I have not found any, except for "The Fly" image of Bono from the previous year, and I doubt that one of MacPhisto exists (that would likely require request that someone's existing image be licensed for free use). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 07:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

✓ PassThanks for adding the Brian Eno photo. I've also added one of the shooting of the "Stay" video, which the user claims is her own work. She has also posted a second closer shot of Bono in which he is turned to face the camera, so it's possible she was there and these are her own work - unless both shots come from a book or perhaps a different version of the video from what I've seen. Do you recognize the image from a book yourself? Lemurbaby (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I actually had the same thoughts about the "Stay" images and asked the user about in on their talk page. It's apparently an image taken by a relative who did admin work in Berlin at the time. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

From one U2 fan to another, excellent work on this article! Once the minor issues above are addressed, I think it will be ready to go to GA. Lemurbaby (talk) 06:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! The article looks beautiful. It's a pleasure to mark it as GA. -- Lemurbaby (talk) 15:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will be rereleased this year[edit]

in the Achtung boxset, and there are plenty of sources, including in the Achtung Baby page itself. --TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 09:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The Freedom of Zooropa[edit]

The booklet has the message "The Freedom of Zooropa is awarded to Willie Mannion and Rob Kirwan". It's not in the article but what does this mean?--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 22:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Experimental rock"[edit]

So, I understand there's a quote in a Mat Snow book that calls this album "experimental rock", which is the reason it was entered as a genre in the infobox. Listen... "experimental" is one of those words that music journalists often abuse to refer to musicians stretching their limits or dabbling in other genres. It's become a muddled term that is quite often not used properly. You would be hard pressed to find a song on Zooropa that is truly experimental by the definition set forth in the experimental rock article:

"a subgenre of rock music which pushes the boundaries of common composition and performance technique or which experiments with the basic elements of the genre. Artists aim to liberate and innovate, with some of the genre's distinguishing characteristics being improvisational performances, avant-garde influences, odd instrumentation, opaque lyrics (or instrumentals), unorthodox structures and rhythms, and an underlying rejection of commercial aspirations."

Although quite creative and different from U2's previous music, Zooropa doesn't seem to fit this definition to me. Because of the contentious, muddled nature of the "experimental" label, I think it would be best to only include the genre in the infobox if 1.) a source offers detailed commentary on the nature of the music describing what makes it experimental (e.g. odd instrumentation, unorthodox musical structure) or 2.) there are multiple sources available that describe the music as experimental rock. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 05:38, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Start class:

Y A reasonably complete infobox
Y A lead section giving an overview of the album
Y A track listing
Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient)
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year

C class:

Y All the start class criteria
Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art
Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section)
Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians.

B class:

Y All the C class criteria
Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
N A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources.
Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS

Needs more citation in a few more of the sections as there are entire paragraphs of no citations. It's also missing some technical personnel. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 04:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 11:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Spin[edit]

Is there a particular reason to keep the Spin green circle in the ratings table? I know the Pitchfork review from last year was at one point added and removed, but in my opinion, it – or at least some numerical/star/graded rating – would be preferable to the, I think, rather incomprehensible Spin traffic light, insofar as I doubt most users would intuitively know what it means (I certainly didn't at first), and I don't think I've seen it used on any other article. Thoughts?--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 02:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]