Template:Did you know nominations/Black-bellied tern

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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Black-bellied tern[edit]

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Black-bellied tern

... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) is not a seabird?

ALT1:... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) is found only inland and not on the coast?
Reviewed: Hrazdan River

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:41, 18 December 2015 (UTC).

Article is long enough, and has been expanded more than fivefold within a week before nomination. It is interesting, neutral, and appropriately referenced. Both hoos are interesting, and hook fact is cited in the article and verified in online reference. Spot checks did not reveal close paraphrasing. Erwig's tool found matches in three sites that had attributed Wikipedia as source. Picture is used in the article, and license is fine. QPQ done. Oceanh (talk) 19:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

I do not find either hooks interesting as they stand. Surely most birds fit into this category? Jolly Ω Janner 07:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

@Jolly Janner: But terns, like seagulls, are almost exclusively seabirds. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Is this something the average reader would know? If it is, then the hook is interesting. If not, then perhaps we need to mention this fact. Jolly Ω Janner 20:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT2: ~~... that the Black-bellied tern (pictured) might be in the wrong genus, but research will be needed to confirm this?~~ The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

This is interesting, in the article and has an inline citation to an offline source at the end of the sentence. I'm inclined to check with @Cwmhiraeth: that the claim in the article is not original research. Does the source specifically state the black-bellied tern might be better placed or just the black-fronted tern? Jolly Ω Janner 03:27, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT2 refers to a bit of the article that was there before I expanded it. The full-length version the source is unavailable to me and the abstract does not support ALT2. I think the original hooks ARE interesting, but if you want something different, how about ALT3? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) is found only inland and is "endangered" by human activities?

Cwmhiraeth: I think that the "problem" with the original hook and the alt is that they don't give any context as to why that's an interesting fact. Is it that most other species of tern are seabirds? If so, stick that in the article and in the original hook and alt, and they'd work really well. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 16:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

The first sentence in our featured article Tern is "Terns are seabirds in the family Sternidae", but reading further, I see that there are several species that breed by rivers, so let's forget about the sea and try

ALT4: ... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) breeds by rivers and is "endangered" by human activities? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT3 and ALT4 are both interesting enough and I've validated them. I'd also like to propose ALT5 below, which will need independent validation should a promoter want to use it. Jolly Ω Janner 03:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT5: ... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) is endangered as a result of human activities and its population is decreasing?

That's basically most every animal on earth. How about something more unique? I'd like to propose ALT6 below Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 00:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT6 ... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) is considered endangered because its breeding grounds are under threat?

I do not object to ALT6, but I still think my original hook is the most interesting. I was very surprised when I found out this fact while researching the bird. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I suppose a completely freshwater tern is unique. Based on ALT1 and Cwmhiraeth's comments, I'd like to propose ALT7

ALT7: ... that the black-bellied tern (pictured) is, unlike most terns, found only inland and not on the coast?

Thereby including ALT1 (which, to me at least, seems the most unique feature) and stating why it's unique Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 19:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

This is by far the most interesting hook, but the fact isn't covered by the article. Jolly Ω Janner 20:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)