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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 13:04, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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De Friese Meren[edit]

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Location of De Friese Meren in Friesland

Created by CRwikiCA (talk). Self nominated at 14:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC).

  • Note that I changed "can" (a Dutchism) in the hook to "may". Drmies (talk) 19:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Good catch, thanks for the copy-edit of the article too! CRwikiCA talk 19:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I found the Etymology section to be still unclear, and believe it needs further copyediting; the hook itself also needs work. In particular, there are two ideas being conflated here: first, that the name of the new municipality has been set by the law creating it, and second, that any municipality can change its name by deciding to do so, though the name change cannot take effect for a minimum of a year ("at least a year's notice", according to the article). Absent any documented desire to change the name—which ought to be included in the article, if so—I think a new hook is in order; I don't know whether it formally violates WP:CRYSTAL, but it feels like it's skating very close to it. Perhaps the hook could give the creation of De Friese Meren and mention that X number of municipalities will disappear on the same day, or as a consequence of that creation, if the data is available and can be sourced. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your criticism, I will need a bit of clarification though. Do you only object to this content being part of the hook, or object to it being included in the article?
Throughout the sources it is repeatedly stated that the name can be changed per 1 January 2015. There is, however, no certainty, because only the new (election November 2013) municipal council would decide so. It was my intention to include the fact that they have the right to do this, rather then speculate on the possibility. Do you have a problem mostly with the way it is phrased, or do you find the fact that they have the right not DYK material?
An alternative hook could be "that De Friese Meren will be created as a Dutch municipality on 1 January 2014 and four other Frisian municipalities will be dissolved on that date?" CRwikiCA talk 18:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • A part of the problem is the use of "per", which is not correct; "per" can mean "by the means of" or "for each" or even "according to", but "per 1 January 2015" is not a standard usage. It could potentially be changed "as of" that date or "effective on" that date, or even "as early as"; in fact, I've just done a copyedit of the section where I used the latter wording. I also included a few words noting that the town-to-be's official website defriesemeren.nl mentions the name and the possibility that it could be changed; I didn't feel I could go further since Google Translate does a poor job with the Dutch text, though I am fine with it being mentioned in the article. ALT1 has possibilities, but I find myself confused by Dutch municipality followed by Frisian municipalities; I think I'd drop "Frisian", or reword to better connect the two. Also, I edited the intro to specify that all four of the prior municipalities are being dissolved; I'd recommend stating what becomes of the rest of Boarnsterhim, and I think the spelling of Terherne/Terhorne should be standardized within this article. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the copyedit, it does improve the flow. I uniformized the town as Terherne, which is the article name, and included a sentence about the division of the rest of Boarnsterhim. I agree that the Google translation of the passage is horrible, although I think you understood the core meaning of the paragraph well. I am proposing ALT1b to exclude the Frisian part, maybe it needs a word or two changed to flow better though.CRwikiCA talk 09:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Here's a version of ALT1b that I believe flows better:
Do you think ALT2 works? BlueMoonset (talk) 00:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes ALT2 works for me. Thanks for all the suggestions. CRwikiCA talk 17:08, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Looking for a reviewer who isn't me to check the ALT2 hook. Drmies, you willing? And check the changes to the article since you last looked at it, to make sure those are DYK-compatible? BlueMoonset (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Looks fine to me, BlueMoonset. I'm embarrassed since you did such a good job. Fryslan boppe! Drmies (talk) 23:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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