Template:Did you know nominations/Ford Island
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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:14, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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Ford Island[edit]
... that Ford Island (pictured) was used for a "sex game" called Moku'ume'ume by ancient Hawaiians before the US Army bought it in 1917 and it was center of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941?
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5x expanded by TParis (talk), Mark Miller (talk), Mareklug (talk). Nominated by TParis (talk) at 23:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC).
The article as written gives primacy to the "ceremony" interpretation over the "sex game" - does this reflect the balance of the sources? If so, it would be better to reword the hook (particularly as the quoted phrase "sex game" doesn't appear in the article at all). Nikkimaria (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- The majority of the sources describe it as both or refer to it primarily as a game. I'm concerned that calling it a sex game would reflect systematic bias of the period, though, and be disparaging toward Hawaiians. From the reading, it appeared more of a way to combat impotency - childless non-virgin couples unable to conceive were mentioned in all but one of the sources. One of the sources, a anecdotal telling from the early 1910s, comes off pretty strongly from the bias of puritan Christians judging what they saw as a savage culture, in my opinion.--v/r - TP 22:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not currently using it as a source, but this link in the external links section represents how some of the sources view it. Others take a more serious approach to it, calling it a ritual/ceremony, but also refer to it still as a game.--v/r - TP 23:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- I agree completely with your reasoning, but for one small issue: if calling it a sex game in the article is problematic, why is calling it a sex game on the main page, where it will have a much broader audience, okay? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Ford Island (pictured), also called Moku'ume'ume, was a ceremony to swap sex partners for a night by ancient Hawaiians before the US Army bought it in 1917 and it was center of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941?
- Better, but a bit confusing as written - the island isn't the ceremony, it was named after the ceremony that took place there.
- ALT2 ... that Ford Island (pictured) was used by ancient Hawaiians for a ceremony to swap sex partners, was bought by the US Army in 1917, and was the center of the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941?
- Does that look okay to you? Nikkimaria (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Great. We'll now need a second reviewer to sign off on ALT2. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- This article has not yet been checked for DYK criteria as described in the DYK Reviewing guide. Yoninah (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
ALT2 good to go. Article is new enough and long enough. Referencing is good. Hook is appropriate and sourced. No close paraphrasing found. Image appears to be properly licensed. Good to go. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
