Template:Did you know nominations/Gloria (Rutter)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Gloria (Rutter)

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• ... that Gloria was John Rutter's first commission from the United States, setting the sacred text as a concert piece in three movements for choir, brass, percussion and organ? Source: several
  • ALT1:... that the three movements of John Rutter's Gloria were described as "exalted, devotional and jubilant"? Source: described by the composer, but critics agree

• Reviewed: 1973 Belmont Stakes

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

• This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no policy issues. Turning to the hook, how do we know it was Rutter's first commission from the United States? I see the article states "his first premiere in the United States", but that is not quite the same thing. If you preferred the other hook, it would be better expressed as ALT1a because he used the phrase himself. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

• ALT1a:... that John Rutter described the three movements of his Gloria as "exalted, devotional and jubilant"?

Well, that is saying rather little. He also said "represented a milestone in my career because it was the first major commission I had received from overseas."

ALT2: ... that Gloria was John Rutter's first major commission from the United States, setting the sacred text as a concert piece in three movements for choir, brass, percussion and organ?

ALT3: ... that on a commission from the United States, John Rutter composed Gloria as a concert piece in three movements for choir, brass, percussion and organ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

It is difficult finding an acceptable hook. I would approve ALT1a, but this is rejected by Gerda despite being a revision of her own ALT1. ALT2 has the same problem as ALT0 and ALT3 is rather weak. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

A composer describing his own piece is almost good for nothing. The US connection should be there, - this was the start of Rutter almost better known there than in England, and a staple in church music, - unusual. How can we word it, - something from how he credited Olson who told him what and how to write it? I also believe that imagining the sound of brass and organ is more exciting than the composer's description. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

ALT4: * ... that on his first commission from the US, John Rutter composed Gloria as a concert piece for choir, brass, percussion and organ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

ALT4 has the same problem as ALT0 and ALT2, the article does not state that this was his first commission from the United States. If you add the information to the article and cite it, we might make some progress. However ALT3 is probably OK if you want to go ahead with it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:58, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

"First" is now in the article, with the ref doubled. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

• Sorry, I missed your response. The article now includes the hook fact so we are ready to go with ALT4. I have struck the remaining hooks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)