Template:Did you know nominations/Hansgünther Heyme
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hansgünther Heyme[edit]
Hansgünther Heyme in 2017
- ... that Hansgünther Heyme (pictured), known for staging classic plays as an "aggressive modernizer", directed Antigone in Calcutta in Bengali with local actors? Source: several
- Reviewed: Alfred Clayton Cole
Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC).
- Just a note to say that I did not create this article. It was created by LouisAlain. I merely expanded it. Voceditenore (talk) 12:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Just to mention that I have next to nothing to do with all these DYK pages, particularly the one being discussed here. I created a mere stub and both Voceditenore and Gerda Arendt made it what it is now. I'm not at all capable of such a great job and what they do puts me to shame for being such an amateur. Kudos to their commitment and super powers. LouisAlain (talk) 14:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I added him to the credits, but watch him regularly deleting credits from his talk, last today. Could you please repeat the refs after the hook facts? I was too tired to check when I noticed that the original creation was 7 days ago. Will do a review now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, the reasons why I delete these credits are three:
1°) I know for a fact that I am not entitled to be associated with these pages which actually are 95% yours and although we're just at the beginning of March, my T.P is already longue comme une journée sans pain (long like a day without bread, a very, very long day for the French).
2°) You are so productive in terms of bettering into DYK the raw material I deliver that by the end of the year, my T.P will spread to the point of being illegible.
3°) I certainly am very talkative in my answers which contributes to my T.P being overloaded. My fault.
I hope you don't feel offended by my moves, it's certainly not my intention and you know it. Anyway, if you ask me to, it is quite feasible to retrieve these deleted notices. Thanks for creating the January/February/ March sections, it adds some clarity on my T.P. Hartmut Welker is next. LouisAlain (talk) 14:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- You can do on your talk what you like. If I was you, I would archive, not delete, and leave one DYK credit for guests to admire ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, the reasons why I delete these credits are three:
- The hook isn't very "hooky" and is rather long-winded. May I suggest this one:
- ALT1:... that when Hansgünther Heyme (pictured) staged classic plays, Antigone ended up in Calcutta, William Tell in Nazi Germany, and Hamlet on a metal trolley?
- Voceditenore (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1a:
... that when Hansgünther Heyme (pictured) staged classic plays, Antigone was set in Calcutta, William Tell in Nazi Germany, and Hamlet on a metal trolley?—BlueMoonset (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, the alternative wording is kind of misleading. Hamlet wasn't set in or on a metal trolley. The title character's body just ended up on a trolley in the last scene. It's up to you of course, but I think my version (I've removed the italics as the names basically refer to the title characters of the plays) is rather more "zingy". Voceditenore (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Voceditenore, the problem I had is that "ended up", aside from its colloquial nature, implies that the characters (or, as I originally though, the actual plays) started somewhere else and ended in those locations, which is not the case for Antigone or William Tell, yet all three links are to the works rather than the characters. It might work with links to the protagonists, and you can certainly revise ALT1 in that manner if you like. Here's an ALT1b that fixes the quite valid issue with ALT1a yet keeps the classic plays as the subjects all the way through:
- ALT1b: ... that when Hansgünther Heyme (pictured) staged classic plays, Antigone was set in Calcutta, William Tell in Nazi Germany, and Hamlet ended with the prince on a metal trolley?
- Note that "a metal trolley" could easily be changed to "an intestine-laden trolley" if that might be considered interesting rather than repelling. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- BlueMoonsetm I think your alternative, ALT1b, is fine, if not quite as snappy as ALT1
. The intestines were actually laid on top of Hamlet's naked body, not loaded onto the trolley directly. I suggest we give them a miss. Voceditenore (talk) 07:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- BlueMoonsetm I think your alternative, ALT1b, is fine, if not quite as snappy as ALT1
- Voceditenore, the problem I had is that "ended up", aside from its colloquial nature, implies that the characters (or, as I originally though, the actual plays) started somewhere else and ended in those locations, which is not the case for Antigone or William Tell, yet all three links are to the works rather than the characters. It might work with links to the protagonists, and you can certainly revise ALT1 in that manner if you like. Here's an ALT1b that fixes the quite valid issue with ALT1a yet keeps the classic plays as the subjects all the way through:
- BlueMoonset, the alternative wording is kind of misleading. Hamlet wasn't set in or on a metal trolley. The title character's body just ended up on a trolley in the last scene. It's up to you of course, but I think my version (I've removed the italics as the names basically refer to the title characters of the plays) is rather more "zingy". Voceditenore (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1a:
- The hook isn't very "hooky" and is rather long-winded. May I suggest this one:
Full review needed, including newly proposed hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Article is new enough and long enough. Apart from the DOB (which needs to be sourced ASAP), the article is well-sourced; I am accepting good faith for the German and paywalled sources. I couldn't find any issues with paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. There seems to be a consensus here to go with ALT1b and I have to concur with that. This will be good to go once the DOB issue is sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:58, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, I've moved the DoB reference from the end of the lead paragraph to just after the date of birth. The article's title says it all: "22. August 1935 - Theaterregisseur Hansgünther Heyme wird geboren" . In English that's "22 August 1935 - Theater director Hansgünther Heyme is born". The article was published on his 80th birthday. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, this should be ready for DYK now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this for an image slot because that "aggressive modernizer" quote really stood out. Now I see everyone wants ALT1b, which is just an ordinary hook IMO. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I would disagree. Don't you think the notion of Hamlet ending up on a metal trolley is sufficiently out of the ordinary? Having said that, I didn't nominate this article for DYK. I simply wrote it. I don't care what hook is used and can't really spend more time on this. I am currently travelling with relatively infrequent internet access. Voceditenore (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, I've moved the DoB reference from the end of the lead paragraph to just after the date of birth. The article's title says it all: "22. August 1935 - Theaterregisseur Hansgünther Heyme wird geboren" . In English that's "22 August 1935 - Theater director Hansgünther Heyme is born". The article was published on his 80th birthday. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
