Template:Did you know nominations/Kidnapping in the United Kingdom
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The result was: rejected by BencherliteTalk 17:11, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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Kidnapping in the United Kingdom[edit]
- ... that statistics for kidnapping in the United Kingdom are often hard to discover due to the country's policies around the crime, but an estimated 500 cases of parental kidnapping are reported annually?
Created by OccultZone (talk). Self nominated at 07:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC).
Created on 12 April, nominated on 18 April. This is outside the 5 day window and is not eligible. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- @The C of E: it was not 6 days, it was 5 days and some hours. It hadn't been edited from 13th - 17th either. OccultZone (Talk) 12:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
It is normal to give a little leeway to nominators regarding the date of nomination, and if this was late, it was only marginally so and I would give it the benefit of the doubt. Looking at the article itself, one problem I can see is in the tabulated section, where I think the examples given should all have references. @BlueMoonset: Another is the length of the article. The page size count gives 803 B, which is way too short for a DYK article which should exceed 1500 B. On the other hand, if the information in the table were included in the page size count, the article would probably be large enough. One other point, OccultZone, I believe you have three DYKs to your credit and so need not do a QPQ review this time. Is this correct? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: I have added sources to all incidents, and it exceeds a well of 2000 characters. I didn't got what you mean, by the last 2nd last sentence. Or maybe if there's any such rule, I am unaware. OccultZone (Talk) 12:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- More material has been added, So if you want to exclude "Notable incidents", it will still exceed 1500 characters. OccultZone (Talk) 12:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- The rule is: QPQ – nominators who have five or more DYK credits and are nominating their own articles must review another article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- More material has been added, So if you want to exclude "Notable incidents", it will still exceed 1500 characters. OccultZone (Talk) 12:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
This article is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is sourced to an off-line source and is accepted in good faith. I saw no evidence of close paraphrasing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Considering the wide scope of this article, 1786 characters feels way too light. We need at least a little bit of detail. I mean, this is a whole country we're talking about. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think we can consider the hook source to be a reliable one. When I Google the article title, "Missing Children Statistics At A Glance: Listed By Country", the website "www.child-safety-for-parents.com" doesn't show up. When I Google the site, I find this web page that appears to be the YouTube channel for this web site, which describes itself as "I am a mom on a mission to stop predators, and save molested and missing kids". What makes such a single-person website a reliable source? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:16, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, check [1] . @Crisco 1492:, it could have been easier to expand this article, only if we had the details about Scotland. Sadly we don't have. OccultZone (Talk) 03:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- This simply means that the article is not expanded enough to go through. Lack of reliable sources sinks it even further. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492:, It can be expanded though, it is newly created and hardly worked. Other thing is that every source is a reliable source. Not kidding you can check yourself. OccultZone (Talk) 04:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, check [1] . @Crisco 1492:, it could have been easier to expand this article, only if we had the details about Scotland. Sadly we don't have. OccultZone (Talk) 03:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - The title suggests that this article covers the phenomenon/crime of kidnapping in the United Kingdom. It does not. It cursorily summarizes a few facts about parental child kidnapping and then (in a prevalence section) estimates that 500 parental child kidnappings are reported each year. I'm not sure when the U.K. hit the 500 mark. The source (a book, mentioned only because of the lead time to publication) was published in 2010, so it probably only covers through 2008 at best (maybe 2009), leaving the last 4-5 years without a source.--Godot13 (talk) 02:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
- No edits in a fortnight to the article, which is still a very incomplete look at kidnapping in the UK - it's even incomplete as an article about child abduction (parental or otherwise) in the UK - so I'm closing this now. BencherliteTalk 17:11, 12 May 2014 (UTC)