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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hilst talk 12:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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Verteba Cave

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Moved to mainspace by TCMemoire (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

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– TCMemoire 12:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  1. There's no disputing that that says hashomer and that Hashomer was a defense organization in Mandatory Palestine, but hashomer is also a common noun in Hebrew: 'the protector'. Since Haaretz is a non-expert source, I'm a bit skeptical of its interpretation here as referring to an organization in a different country, rather than to, say the cave itself. Are there any academic sources that mirror Haaretz' reading? Or any statements from people who were in the cave confirming it?
  2. The source doesn't actually say that No Place on Earth was based on Nicola's book, only that it came about as a result of it. Our article on the film, meanwhile, says it was based on Stermer's memoir, but cites no source for that. Reading this NPR article, it might be most accurate to not say it was based on either, but that it was a result of both Stermer and Nicola's work.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ALT1 doesn't fully verify in the provided source, but I assume you just forgot to also mention [1] here, which is cited in the article and does verify.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @TCMemoire: Wow, what a great article. You should definitely put this up for GAN. Few sourcing issues above but nothing major. Both hooks work. If ALT1 is used, for style/grammar reasons I would recommend

ALT1a: ... that several human skulls found in Verteba Cave display signs of intentional killings, scalpings, and posthumous brain removal?

But personally I prefer ALT0. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 20:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Thank you for the review. Yes, I definitely forgot to include that second source for ALT0, my bad! RE: "hashemer", I have removed the wikilink. It also seemed a bit of a dubious connection to me. The book itself makes no mention of the inscription in Verteba, only the names they etched in Priest's Grotto. I just watched the documentary itself and the very first end slide says it was based on Stermer's memoir, but as I cannot for the life of me find a copy of that book, and to avoid original research of saying "well, the documentary closely follows Nicola's book but leaves out most of the cave exploration etc.", I will change the wording. – TCMemoire 01:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Looks good to me now! I threw in a gloss and a link to wikt:שומר, since that's noncontroversial per Wikipedia:No original research § Translations and transcriptions. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 03:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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