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The result was: promoted by Mifter (talk) 19:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

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Vitamin C[edit]

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  • ... that ... in 1934 vitamin C was the first synthetic vitamin to be marketed as a medicine? Source: Ref #8 (Squires 2011) and #160 (Bachi 2008)
    • ALT1:... that ...in 1933 vitamin C was the first vitamin to be synthesized, and one year later the first synthetic vitamin to be marketed as a medicine? Source: Ref #8 (Squires 2011) and #160 (Bachi 2008)

Improved to Good Article status by David notMD (talk). Self-nominated at 15:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good to go. SounderBruce 08:25, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi, I came by to promote ALT0, which is a very good hook, but I don't see anything about it being "marketed as a medicine" in the article. Yoninah (talk) 00:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
The mention is now only in the Discovery section (I had it in the Lead also, but someone edited it out). Also, I had a better citation for establishing 1934. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Reference changed. However, it does not support "...as a medicine." Proposing ALT2 or ALR1a David notMD (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2:... that in 1934 vitamin C was the first synthetic vitamin to be trademarked (as Redoxon) and marketed?
  • ALT1a:... that ...in 1933 vitamin C was the first vitamin to be synthesized, and one year later the first synthetic vitamin to be trademarked (as Redoxon) and marketed?

Support for first and first also at the Wikipedia entry for Redoxon The citation there for first marketed is the same that I have now added to the Vitamin C article. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

  • OK, but where in the article does it say it was the first synthetic vitamin to be trademarked and marketed? (The Roche source only says it was trademarked, not that it was the first to be trademarked. It's also not clear that the source in footnote 10, cited in the lead, is saying anything about the vitamin being manufactured or marketed.) Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Trying to get a good citation on marketed in 1934. There is this Redoxon website which states " In 1934, we pioneered the world’s first Vitamin C supplement" https://www.redoxon.co.uk/en/who-we-are/ And another company website: http://www.expresschemist.co.uk/Redoxon.html which has "Redoxon was the first manufacturer of synthetic vitamin C, marketed in 1934."
Then there is a non-company link https://books.google.com/books?id=WgamCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=redoxon+1934&source=bl&ots=r0E9O9-wHy&sig=oUHQLaTTQq7zSnR8Uu8Z26I0hBE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRoZXyiajYAhXkQt8KHaubA-c4ChDoAQg_MAQ#v=onepage&q=redoxon%201934&f=false which has a statement "In 1934, Hoffman-La Roche, which bought the Reichstein process patent, became the first pharmaceutical company to mass product and market synthetic vitamin C, under the brand name Redoxon (Bachi, 2008)". Using this as a citation in the Vitamin C article as support for first to market may be preferred to citing Bachi directly, as the link to the latter is only to the abstract, which does not specifically state first to market, and the Bachi article itself (in German) cannot be sourced on line to confirm the statement. Please let me know if in your opinion the last reference is suitable to support either ALT2 or ALT1a. If so, I will add it to the article. David notMD (talk) 16:29, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @David notMD: the non-company source is a good one to add to the article, but it's talking about the company being the first to produce a synthetic Vitamin C supplement, not that vitamin C was the first synthetic vitamin to be manufactured. I've looked around Google and Google Books some more, without success. I think you should abandon all these "first" hooks and suggest something else. How about:
  • ALT3: ... that contrary to popular opinion, vitamin C does not prevent or cure the common cold? Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
I would rather abandon the DYK process entirely than start all over again with that stale news about vitamin C and the common cold. Why is there still a problem? There are relevant citations. Synthesis was in 1933, and Squires shows that this was the first vitamin to be made synthetically. Trademarked by Hoffman-La Roche as Redoxon in 1934. Either the citation I provided yesterday or Bachi 2008 confirm marketed in 1934, which is before any other vitamin was synthesized (Squires). So, first made, first branded, first sold. For brevity in the hook I prefer to state first made and first sold, without mentioning Redoxon or Hoffman-La Roche. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Text revised with addition of the ref I found to make the timeline more clear. David notMD (talk) 20:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per SounderBruce. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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