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Welcome!

Hello, Amble, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome!

You get points for the most helpful account request comment I have ever seen. :D BJTalk 08:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings from WikiProject Korea![edit]

Thank you for your recent contributions to Horace Grant Underwood. Given the interest you've expressed by your edits, have you considered joining WikiProject Korea? It's a group dedicated to improving the overall quality of all Korea-related articles. If you would like to join, simply add your name to the list of participants.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask at the project talk page. We look forward to working with you in the future! Caspian blue (talk) 19:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Baeknyeongdo image[edit]

Hello, Amble. I saw your request at WT:KO. I guess you or others would not easily find any available photo of the place with free license, unless going to the place and taking pictures. Since the place is located 4 hours away from Incheon and 6 hours away of Seoul and is regarded as a popular tourist zone for seniors (they don't access internet much). Although I found fair images of the place in dcinside, you have to contact the photographer in order to get a permission. I'm just letting you know the info because I would not send an email to him on behalf of you (I don't like sending email to a total stranger). The photographer is a pastor, so I think he would generously allow his pictures to be used for Wikipedia and other people if you ask him about it.

These are the links that you should check 백령도 photo, his website Best wish for the photos.

P.S I like your maps.--Caspian blue (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Hey, I paste an example of the future email. I hope it would be helpful for your contact with the photographer. Btw I thought you're Korean though. Good luck.

--Caspian blue (talk) 12:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ryongyon for DYK[edit]

Sometimes, the context that helps make sense of other sources can only be found in Korean-language sources. In this case, Ryongyon was only created after the Korean War, so although there are English-language sources about parts of the history, they don't mention it by name. I've added an inline citation to a Korean-language encyclopedia article (previously given only as a general reference). Any other requests or suggestions are very welcome. It gives me a good feeling to know that someone was reading "my" article carefully enough to notice an inference needing better referencing! --Amble (talk) 17:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your quick response, Amble. I've nominated this article of yours for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on July 10, where you can improve it if you see fit. (Feel free to propose new hooks there.) I hope your Korean ref also supports the founding year as 1884. If it does, please move the footnote a little bit to the right. Thanks. Happy editing. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, is http://archives.drexelmed.edu/womanmd/item.php?object_id=001059 really the link to the source page of Commons:Image:Sorae korea church 1895.jpeg? I clicked on it and ended up with a photo of "Sentinel gate at Palace". --PFHLai (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're very welcome, Amble. And have fun typing. ;-) Please be encouraged to nominate your next good new article for DYK. Good Luck. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 17:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

July 16 DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 16 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ryongyon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford Pray 05:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:[edit]

I take the advice on M-R. I'm not that enlightened on the system. However, I don't know who you're and what background you have (I assume you're not Korean) Saying people "Be careful" without "please" sounds imperative and a bit rude. --Caspian blue (talk) 22:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, I don't think 일본군 is spelled "Ilbongun" in M-R. The 군 sounds like more "k", not "g". --Caspian blue (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I take it as a warning and regard it far from a friendly notice. Once a word is out, that could not go back regardless of your intention. I don't know you except your involvements in several Korean related articles. Your background is actually related to your way of speaking and tone. Korean editors never say like the way you say to me. Besides, ex-oneatf attacked you're one of Korean nationalists which I do not agree with : both your ethnicity and edit approach.--Caspian blue (talk) 23:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, editors here come for editing articles, not making a friend, so we just need little nice civility to each other. I'm not all friendly to Korean editors. What people edit is a barometer of who they are. That matters a lot.--Caspian blue (talk) 23:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, online communication often causes miscommunication. The only person from whom I do not worry about the matter was retired and an American married to a Korean woman, so I don't have a high expectation from people here. Some of my miscommunication here are stemmed from my Engrish as well. As for M-R system, well I've seen that non-native Korean editors are more knowledgeable of the system than Koreans, most of them are studying linguistic or in relation to Asian-related study. Not many of Korean editors know the Romanization. --Caspian blue (talk) 23:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANI report on Lucyintheskywithdada[edit]

WP:ANI#Lucyintheskywithdada : racist and personal attacks

Hello, Amble. Since you're involved in disputes at Comfort women as catching the plagiarism, your input on Lucyintheskywithdada's threat and other disruptive behaviors would be appreciated. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well done[edit]

Updated DYK query On 19 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article # Russian frigate Oryol , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Victuallers (talk) 12:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fresh mex[edit]

I have recently undid your redirect for the term fresh mex. According to the USPTO, the term fresh mex is not trade marked as a standing term, only when used in conjunction with one of the names of multiple restaurant chains is it a trademark.

E.G.- Chevy's Fresh Mex is a trademark fresh mex is not.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The links expire after three minutes. You have to read the description carefully, as the registration document often will say "typed text in drawing" as part of the trademark or service mark, that means the trademark is for the company logo and not the term. I looked through all 23 listings on the USPTO for the term fresh mex and none of them were for the phrase itself. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Buk (drum)[edit]

Hi, Amble, I'm not sure whether you're active or not in these days, but I seek your help to settle a dispute with User:Badagnani at buk (drum), Korean drums. You can read Korean and use Korean sources, so I think you can be a good meditator on this. My claim is that the buk is the term encompassing all drums used for Korean traditional music, while he insists that buk are exclusively referring to specific buk (only drums affixed with "buk") used for pansori and samul nori in English speaking world. Yet, he has not provided any citations to back up his claim although he attached some sources from 국립국악원 and Grove Music Dictionary which only briefly refer to what 'buk' means. If you have a time, could you visit the talk page? Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the time and effort. I hope with your meditation, the dispute would be resolved peacefully. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 06:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for your effort on this. I will leave my answers to the question in my knowledge.
  1. A loan-word such as buk can have different ranges of meaning in English and Korean. - I'm not sure of that because currently, only one source[1] from English speaking world could back up Badagnani's claim. The term is not widely known in the world yet. My point is
  2. In Korean, 북 can mean "drum" in general. - yes
  3. In Korean, 북 can mean any drum used in Korean traditional music. -yes
  4. In Korean, 북 can mean a specific type of Korean barrel drum, as here: ko:사물놀이 -yes
  5. In English, buk does not refer to drums in general. - same as the first question
  6. In English, buk may or may not refer to all drums in Korean traditional music, to be determined by usage in reliable sources. - same as the first question - same as the first question
  7. In English, buk may or may not refer to a specific type of Korean barrel drum, to be determined by usage in reliable sources. - same as the first question - same as the first question
My point is why the term should be separated here because the term itself has not been widely known in English speaking world. I'll add my point of view later. Thanks--Caspian blue (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Amble, thank you for your note. Have you carefully and thoroughly read the Discussion page at Buk (drum)? The sources are provided there, including the English-language sources New Grove Dictionary of Music, the NCKTPA, and many English-language sources about pansori and samulnori. Despite what Caspian blue has said above, all these sources state that buk is usually used, in both Korean and English, to refer to a shallow barrel drum used in Korean music. As this is the English-language Wikipedia, it would be inappropriate to assign a Korean usage (i.e., "buk" = "drum") when the term "buk" is well understood in English-speaking ethnomusicological and Korean music circles to mean the Korean shallow barrel drum; this is why I recommended that the large amount of information about the janggu and other non-barrel drums be placed at Korean drums, or kept at Traditional Korean musical instruments, where it was originally found. You'll see that User:Caspian blue actually removed "Buk" from the bulleted list s/he migrated from that article, which was highly inappropriate, and s/he did not correct this problem when alerted to it. In your earlier posting, you hadn't said whether you'd read through the article and Discussion carefully. Once you've done that, please share your thoughts. Badagnani (talk) 19:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for commenting, Caspian and Badagnani. I did go through the talk page history when Caspian Blue first contacted me. Badagnani, I would like your response to the same seven points I presented to Caspian Blue. Caspian, would you please clarify whether you would agree with points 1, 5, 6, and 7 in principle given enough sourcing of these usages in English? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 00:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reponse from User:Badagnani[edit]

I had posted this to my Talk page to avoid confusion, but I'm not sure you got it. Here it is:

1. A loan-word such as buk can have different ranges of meaning in English and Korean.

  • In Korean, the term buk can be used to mean "drum," but in English the English word "drum" is used to refer to drums. In both languages the word refers to the shallow barrel drum used in several genres of traditional Korean music.

2. In Korean, 북 can mean "drum" in general.

  • Buk is one of two Korean words that can mean "drum" in general, the other being the Sino-Korean go. Buk is an indigenous Korean word, probably onomatopoetic in origin, while go is a word that was adapted and absorbed into Korean from China. For drums of Western origin, sometimes other names are used, such as 드럼셋 (deureom set) for the drum kit, borrowed from English. Both terms (buk and go) may be used either by themselves, or as suffixes in terms naming specific traditional drums. Because the shallow barrel drum is simply called buk in Korean, this probably means that the shallow barrel drum was Korea's indigenous drum--probably originally used in shamanism, like similar barrel drums in other nearby Asian nations also practicing shamanism--whereas the great profusion of Korean drums whose names bear the suffix go came to Korea later, from China. Thus, the shallow barrel drum called buk could be seen as something like Korea's "default" drum, hence the use of the term to refer to this specific, autochthonous instrument as well as as a generic term meaning "drum."

3. In Korean, 북 can mean any drum used in Korean traditional music.

  • No, it can't. Buk is used in Korean to mean "drum," but when referring to specific drums, as the sources show, the drums' specific names are used. For example, in concert programs, CD liner notes, writings about music, radio broadcast commentary, etc.--the actual names of the individual drums are given, to avoid confusion. Because the buk is often used (as in samulnori) in tandem with another very commonly used Korean drum--the janggu, when referring to specific Korean drums, each drum is referred to by its specific name: buk, janggo, galgo, etc.--these names all listed at Traditional Korean musical instruments. There is a good reason for this: to avoid confusion by using terminology of greater specificity. There is necessarily variation in usage between writers on music and the general public, as in many, if not most cultures the general public is not as well informed about distinctions between traditional musical instruments. However, in an encyclopedia it's important to be as clear and specific as possible.

4. In Korean, 북 can mean a specific type of Korean barrel drum, as here: ko:사물놀이.

  • This is correct; as the New Grove Dictionary, NCKTPA, and samulnori sources state, the term buk is usually used to refer to the shallow barrel-shaped drum used in pansori, samulnori, and a few other genres. However, buk can also be used as a suffix, when specific types of shallow barrel drum are being named. In context, however, when discussing either pansori or samulnori, for example, the prefix is left off and the instrument is simply called buk. In the context of pansori, when both the buk and janggu (both of which are used in this type of music) are being described, the janggu is never described as a form of buk, but simply called a janggu. Further, buk is not used as a suffix for drums that are not shallow barrel drums.

5. In English, buk does not refer to drums in general.

  • This statement is correct. The term buk is only used in Korean as a generic term meaning "drum." As the English-language sources dealing with Korean traditional percussion instruments indicate, the term "buk" is usually used to refer to the shallow barrel drum called buk, again to avoid confusion with the other drums that have their own names.

6. In English, buk may or may not refer to all drums in Korean traditional music, to be determined by usage in reliable sources.

  • In English, the term buk is not typically used in this manner (to refer to all traditional Korean drums), in literature related to Korean music. As the New Grove Dictionary and NCKTPA sources state, buk is usually used in English to refer to the shallow barrel-shaped drum used in a few genres of traditional Korean music.

7. In English, buk may or may not refer to a specific type of Korean barrel drum, to be determined by usage in reliable sources.

  • Yes, the sources show that buk is usually used in English to refer to the shallow barrel-shaped drum used in pansori, samulnori, and a few other genres.

Badagnani (talk) 04:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your considered response, Badagnani. This is the reverse of many discussions over article naming, where everyone agrees what the topic should be, and there is contention over the best name. In this case, there is no dispute over the use of the title Buk, and the question is what should be covered in the article. Personally, I find that there's a strong need for an article about Korean traditional drums in general, including an overview of the many different types, and also a need for articles about specific instruments. There's no requirement at all that each of these articles correspond well to a specific word in Korean, and in fact, naming issues are far, far less important than content. Therefore, I suggest changing the approach towards this article. Let's break it into two articles, one about about Korean drums in general, and one specifically about traditional Korean barrel drums. Let the article titles be provisional, because we can easily adjust them later. I believe this is the clear and correct solution to the important issue of article content. Then, we will be left with the lesser question of naming, which should be decided with primary consideration for what's meaningful and convenient for English-speaking readers. Therefore, I will split the current Buk (drum) into Korean drum and Korean barrel drum. I will not touch Buk (drum) but would not be opposed to temporarily making it a disambiguation page. Discussions of the titles of the two articles would be fine at any time. It's perfectly fine if neither or both of them wind up with the title Buk after discussion; it's perfectly easy to disambiguate article titles. --Amble (talk) 03:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal[edit]

I don't agree with this, because the buk is well known in both Korea and around the world as a particular type of shallow barrel drum. Further, there are quite a few other Korean barrel drums, many of which are not related to the buk and which are not shallow in morphology, have a different construction and playing technique, and are not called buk but instead something followed by go, are also barrel drums (these are drums of Chinese origin and include the jeolgo, jingo, jwago, geongo, eunggo, sakgo, etc.--and it wouldn't be appropriate to lump them with the indigenous Korean drum in a single article on "Korean barrel drums"). So your proposal wouldn't square with the available sources (either New Grove, NCKTPA, other sources on samulnori, etc.), and would impose an arbitrary classification (i.e., "Korean barrel drums") that is not used in any source on this subject. I just can't support your proposal, although an article on the buk itself and another article on traditional Korean drums (in addition to articles on specific drums such as the janggu, galgo, etc.) would be something that would work just fine. The term buk, as you'll see from the most reputable sources, does describe a well-understood and specific type of barrel drum and the name "Korean barrel drum" is unnecessary, as would be "North Indian plucked lute" for the Sitar, as the term buk is used in the English-language sources on the genres in which it is used. Badagnani (talk) 04:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought of this. Another way to largely follow your proposal would change the title of the article about the buk (the shallow barrel drum) to Buk (Korean barrel drum). That would be maximally accurate and avoid the impression, from native Korean speakers, that the article (under the title "Buk (drum)") should discuss all Korean drums. Buk could thus be a disambiguation page. Badagnani (talk) 04:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Badagnani, thanks for your response. Your point that there are various types of Korean barrel drums is well taken. I do not claim that Korean barrel drum is the best article title; in fact, my main point is that we should first identify a clear set of topic, secondly develop articles on these topics, and worry far less about article titles. I believe we are in agreement that there should be both a general article on Korean drums, and a specific article on this particular type of barrel drum. I also hope that Caspian Blue will agree with this. Therefore, I apologize for avoiding the naming issues, but I believe it will be more productive to first stabilize the several articles with clear scope and contents, and to put off naming until later. Thanks again for your consideration. --Amble (talk) 04:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the progress being made is good--keeping in mind that the minutae of traditional Korean musical instruments (aside from the dozen or so most famous ones) is quite esoteric, even for most modern Koreans--for the reason that many of the instruments are only used in a few genres of very ancient music, which probably only a few percent of Koreans at most attend or own recordings of. Consequently, the terminology can be unfamiliar even to the Korean general public. Nevertheless, I think it's our job to present the clearest resource in the English language on this subject, as you can see we've begun at Traditional Korean musical instruments. Badagnani (talk) 04:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

:Re[edit]

Thank you for the meditaion and help. Honestly speaking, I did not check on the articles and conversations between you and him at all although I've noticed that you created them. I'm just very tired of talking with Badagnani over multiple articles during the past month, so wanted just to be away from him for a while....--Caspian blue (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of List of Fresh Mex restaurants[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, List of Fresh Mex restaurants, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Fresh Mex restaurants. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 03:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck[edit]

Hi,

Regarding your addition of Khesar's Dzongkha name...could you upload an image (in .png or something like that) of the text, to be linked to the name by a footnote? I'm asking because Dzongkha is a script that is not included on most systems and the majority of WP readers will probably have difficulties rendering it, so having an image version of the name would be useful for readability. Once an image has been uploaded, we can either put it in a footnote or put it inline right after the Dzongkha name.

Thanks! —Politizer talk/contribs 05:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and the same goes for Jigme Singye Wangchuck. I only just noticed that. Thanks again, —Politizer talk/contribs 05:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, ok...I'll have to look into why it wasn't rendering for me, because I usually don't have problems with Unicode fonts... Anyway, thanks for putting the images up! Sorry about my comments about the infobox...what I meant to say was that the long names made the infobox very wide and squished all the article text onto the left-hand side (for me at least). I noticed you have discussed this a bit at the talk page for the article, so I'll go mention something there. —Politizer talk/contribs 13:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Images look good for now...I went through a similar discussion on images and rendering at a GA review recently, and one of the things brought up was that for people whose computers are able to render the text then it's nice to have that text in the infobox or somewhere so that a) they can search the page for it, and b) they can copy and paste it. On the other hand, that has to be balanced with the desire to make the letters easily viewable to most readers, which is where the images come in...with scripts like Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, and Korean (for example) it seems like we generally don't include images because the assumption is they're common enough worldwide that most people can be expected to have computers that will render them, or to take the time to download those scripts pretty easily (although that is certainly not always the case...my parents' computer displays little boxes instead of Chinese characters, which always gives me a headache when I'm home for the holidays), whereas some scripts, such as this one, are less common and the appropriate files and fonts can be pretty hard to find (the Wikipedia Help pages on these scripts don't tend to be very helpful, either). So in these cases it seems to me like the general consensus seems to be to include images (especially in prominent places like the infobox, lead-in, and tables)...although if it's possible to include the text as well, I think that would be desirable, I just haven't yet figured out a good way to make the text show up for people who have the fonts installed and not for the people who don't. —Politizer talk/contribs 20:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Woo Jang-choon[edit]

Hello, Amble, I come here to ask you for a favor again. If you have a spare time, could you just confirm on whether Korean inline sources in a collapsed table correctly backing up the contents on the left column, Talk: Woo Jang-choon#Bukubku's blanked contents / requested inline citations. Bukubku (talk · contribs) has insisted that my provided sources are not fit to contested contents and calls me an Anti-Japanese bashing South Korean liar. So I need your favor to prove my integrity and to resolve the absurd dispute. He also demands that he want a third person who is neither Japanese nor Korean to verify the source, could you just confirm the Korean sources? Thanks.--Caspian blue 22:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Hood?[edit]

You must be kidding over Shin Chang-won. His fame is due to his endless evasions from the police's sleuthing (called 신출귀몰 in Korean), not due to his "few times" charity with his theft to poor people. That's why he is called "Hong Gil-dong" in the meaning.--Caspian blue 22:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Robin Hood image may not have been very realistic, but I didn't make it up. It's sourced well enough. And after all, Robin Hood was known for his escapes as well as his charity, too. --Amble (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article itself says that it is rejected by authorities and people but you assert that he is a "Robin Hood figure in South Korea by your own judgment. The intro not only misleading, but also pushing only one side of story which is not widely accepted one.--Caspian blue 00:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He was characterized that way by some. If you think that's too much emphasis, have at it & happy editing. --Amble (talk) 00:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, by some but you assert it in the intro as if that is the general view. I want you to change the DYK hook which highly potentially misguide readers who do not know anything about Korea and the criminal.--Caspian blue 00:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't change the DYK hook, it's already in the queue. Ordinarily, it would stay in the nominations list for a few days, but this one happened to be picked up quickly - unfortunately, as it turns out, since you object to it. If you feel strongly about it, you'll have to take it up with an admin. (Personally, I don't think anyone will be deceived into believing that the man was a saint.) You could ask Dravecky to pull the hook for further discussion. --Amble (talk) 00:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you've made the request. I don't object. --Amble (talk) 01:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I consider your circulating answer is not helpful. A problem is the hook that you want to use is combined all the matters. Feel free to pick a place.--Caspian blue 04:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your complaint about naming is a non-issue for the hook, because it is governed by a long-established guideline. If you want to propose a change, fine, but that's irrelevant to the current DYK. --Amble (talk) 04:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have failed to find that the "Sin" is a long-established guideline after looking through the talk page of the Korean naming convention. Direct me if you can.--Caspian blue 04:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, they said "How about Shin?" "I don't know" and then end of the story. I already checked on the discussion.--Caspian blue 04:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So after an user's "I don't know" comment, the discussion was wrapped up on Kang and Shin. Besides, it mainly happened between the two users which I still do not see as a long-established guideline on Sin. Besides, Vivasa does not seem like a Korean. I do not want to waste more time on this. I will raise this issue including "hook", "his surname" to WT:KO. Then we can continue our discussion.--Caspian blue 04:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suit yourself. So far, there's no policy discounting the opinions of non-Koreans. The talk page just shows that my understanding of the guideline page, WP:NC-KO, is correct: names other than Kim, Pak, and Lee ordinarily use standard RR. I don't understand your insistence on arguing this in the wrong places, when you could so easily propose a change to the guideline. Also, it's utterly inappropriate to vent your frustration at Dravecky. He is doing a huge amount of work by hand at a time when the DYK bot has been broken. You owe him an apology. --Amble (talk) 04:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. The part of the dispute is because you undue weight with the one side of the story, and part is his too quick promotion. --Caspian blue 04:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I really do not understand your insistence on pushing your view and an apology that I have not owe. I left a lengthy message about the inappropriateness of your hook in order to prevent such misleading hook to be featured (and featured briefly) but he simply updated it. If I did not left the second message, I wonder he would retract it from the main age. It is very regretful to see all this.--05:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Proposal[edit]

I'm not sure because I don't know what topic you are interested in and how common interest we can share with each other. As I know you created Sin Chang-won, but such topic regarding criminology or social matters are really beyond my turf; You may or may not know that I've been creating articles about Korean cuisine, traditional culture, some part of historical matters or documents. The length of Ilmin Museum of Art would be my limitation at best so far due to my English and lack of English sources. I think if it has more descriptions on its building and exhibitions compared to Hallie Ford Museum of Art in GA, I can take it to GA (of course, sentences and words should be revised) If you look through my DYKs, there would be potential ones such as Namsadang, Sotdae, Dancheong, Gejang, Park Kyung-ni, but well, as I'm saying I don't know about your interest. Or we can create a new article that has been desperately needed (in my opinion) such as Goryeo celadon or others.. Just let me know what has in your mind. Thanks.--Caspian blue 00:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestion, but I can't have enough time to edit Wikipedia as I used to be due to problems of my computer and my real life matters. I appreciate your offer though.--Caspian blue 12:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Sin Chang-won[edit]

Updated DYK query On January 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sin Chang-won, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 00:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notification, and for your patience in dealing with the earlier disagreement! --Amble (talk) 08:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did You Know problem[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Gun Court at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Art LaPella (talk) 03:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh! Thanks for the notice. Alts added. --Amble (talk) 04:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

quick editing[edit]

Oh hey Amble. I suppose I'm used to dates being linked, so commas are unnecessary. I think they're unnecessary anyway really but I'll leave them in if the date isn't linked. I don't see captions as sentences unless they contain multiple sentences. Something like "Kim Jong Il pictured in 1984" is more of a quick note to the reader, like you might see in the margin of a book (old books specially did this a lot) or something in the "Remarks/comments" column of a table so if it's that short it probably shouldn't have a . at the end. I also remove commas in sentences like "In 1950, Korea was..." since I don't think they should be used.

(user SpookyMulder, who can't log in at the moment) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.100.30 (talk) 02:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

bit more[edit]

  • Ship names don't require "the" in front of them, same as names of people. That's why I did that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.100.30 (talk) 07:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, in the bibliography, i removed several periods to improve readability. If there is some international standard that requires these after each part of the line I wasn't aware of it but I can leave them in. I agree with you about the "sentences in captions" thing so I'll not remove periods if the caption is a full sentence :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.100.30 (talk) 08:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A favor[edit]

Hi, Amble, can I ask you a favor? If you are interested in politics of the Joseon Dynasty, could you look at the newly created article of Yeonguijeong and remove any "Engrish"? And if the article is confusing in terms, please tell me. I also want to hear your opinion on renaming it to "Chief State Councilor of Joseon" which was already discussed at user talk:Historiographer#Yeonguijeong. Thanks.--Caspian blue 02:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Gun Court[edit]

Updated DYK query On February 1, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gun Court, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Yeonguijeong[edit]

Thanks for your help! We're in queue 3 and will be on Main Page in a few hours: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T:DYK/Q3 Best regards, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April Fool's DYK for Hobbit (unit)[edit]

Updated DYK query On April Fool's, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hobbit (unit), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Smiley

Great April Fool's hook. Loved it! Gatoclass (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Robinson article courtesy notice[edit]

I noticed you submitted the image of the Pasadena sculpture at the Jackie Robinson article. I wanted to give you a heads up that it's now in the FA review stage, and that a couple of users have suggesting removing the photo for "derivative work" copyright concerns. It looks to me like that will probably happen, so if you want to argue for its inclusion please post on the FAC nomination page here.

Thanks for notifying user:Durova. It looks like the Robinson FAC will fail due to non-free image concerns, although these go beyond the pasadena sculpture issue. BillTunell (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Your GA nomination of Gun Court[edit]

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Judiciary of Jamaica listed as a Stub[edit]

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Images of Jamaica?[edit]

Hi Journalist - I noticed that you are an active editor from Jamaica, a country for which we need much better coverage! Would you consider contributing some images of Kingston or other places in Jamaica? The article on the Gun Court could use additional photos of the South Camp facility and the main courthouses, and I know there are many other Jamaica articles that would be improved by more (and better) images. I understand from your user page that you live in Toronto, but perhaps you travel to Jamaica sometimes? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 05:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I think your involvement in the Jamaican related articles are great. Unfortunately, I do not have any pictures that could be useful for Wikipedia. The ones that I have are all personal pictures of tourist destinations (with friends and family members posing in the the foreground) and personal pictures of my house. I don't have any of the places you're talking about. Sorry. Orane (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks anyway. If you have time to take some photos for Wikipedia next time you're in Jamaica, I think we could use photos even for tourist spots, general pictures of the city, etc. --Amble (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely. I may be going there this Christmas to visit family all over the island. I'll see what I can do. Orane (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gyeongju[edit]

Hi, Amble, long time no see. Since you asked me to cooperate to take an article to GA, I'm writing this to ask you a favor. Gyeongju is one of a few Fa of Korean Project, but has faced in danger of delisting, so I've been working on expanding the article. However, the prose is not good in the current status, and my grammatical errors are not fixed since I'm the only one working on the article. And the article is almost based on Korean sources, so reviewers could not check them. So if you're active, could you consider my asking for favor? Thanks.--Caspian blue 11:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Robinson article courtesy notice[edit]

The Jackie robinson article is up for FAC again. They've taken down the image of the Pasadena sculpture that you previously submitted. If you want to argue for its inclusion please post on the FAC nomination page here. BillTunell (talk) 23:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gyeongju FA thanks[edit]

This user helped retain the article Gyeongju to featured article status.

Thank you for your wonderful copy-editing to Gyeongju, which successfully survived from WP:FAR since October 15, 2009 --Caspian blue 05:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Seori[edit]

At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Archive 7 you wrote:

친구들과 수박서리를 했다는 얘기를 들은 아버지는 ‘아들을 바로잡기 위해’ 신창원을 파출소에 데려갔고, 결국 소년원까지 보내졌다.
Specifically, what does 서리 mean here? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Seori means "stealing other people's crops/animals from the fields/cages."

In older times, little kids might have stolen some fruits or chicken from their neighbours, and people would have passed it off as what kids do. Nowadays it's getting frowned upon a lot more than before, I think, and crimes are reported where adults steal crops from farmers. --Kjoonlee 17:12, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Silverhorse[edit]

This user keeps blanking this page to hide the fact that multiple editors have repeatedly asked this user to stop. Something more should be done. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Theoretical substance[edit]

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Stevertigo ArbCom case update[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that ArbCom has moved the case to the proposed decision stage. The proposed decision may be viewed here and may be commented about here. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Best, NW (Talk) 14:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Stevertigo 2[edit]

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following is a summary of the remedies enacted:

  • Stevertigo (talk · contribs) is banned from Wikipedia for one year. If Stevertigo wishes to return to editing Wikipedia, he must first work with the Arbitration Committee to an establish a set of probation criteria. He may do this no earlier than six months after the closure of the case, and no more than every six months thereafter.
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On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,

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