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International recognition of Kosovo

Hi Bazonka. A few days ago when I edited this article I put by those countries that have recognised Kosovo as an independent state if they are members of the Arab League. Then I noticed that Saint Lucia has recognised Kosovo as an independent state, and that this country is a member of The Caribbean Community (CARICOM), and also that other member states of CARICOM will recognised Kosovo as an independent state. Becouse of that I also decided to put that Saint Lucia is a member of CARICOM.

Then you undo my changes and said: Let's keep this to relevant organisations only.

A while ago, when there still was an article with the title International recognition of South Sudan there has beed write if a country is a member of the the Arab League, and also if a country is a member of the African Union. Now this article is merged in the article Foreign relations of South Sudan.

Why should in the article about South Sudan be named if a country that recognized it is a member of the Arab League or of the African Union, but in the article about Kosovo not if a country that recognized it is a member of the Arab League, of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) or of the African Union?

I hope to get an awnser from you as soon as posible. Thank you. The Nerd from Earth (talk) 02:40, 01 September 2011 (CET)

What's relevant to Kosovo may not be relevant to South Sudan, and vice versa. We should keep the organisations mentioned to just those that Kosovo (or S.Sudan) is likely to want to join or which have been instrumental in the country's decision to declare independence. In Kosovo's case, this is the OIC, EU and NATO; and for South Sudan it is African Union, Arab League, OIC, Commonwealth and the East African Community. Also, UN Security Council members are mentioned in both cases.

African Union membership is of no relevance to Kosovo, NATO membership is of no relevance to South Sudan, and Caribbean Community membership is of no relevance to either. There has to be a limit to what we include, or we'll end up including the likes of International Basketball Federation membership.

The section on Positions taken by intergovernmental organisations adequately describes the positions of these other organisations and their members. Bazonka (talk) 06:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Jeremic now claims that those two countries aren't Oman and Guinea-Bisau but two other countries that will withdraw their recognitions[1]. Btw I'll ask for semi-protection to make sure no more IPs continue removing Oman and Guinea-Bisau.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 16:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Good idea - thanks. Bazonka (talk) 17:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Blic is a tabloid and this was a planted propaganda hit-piece that was shopped to them by the Serbian MFA. Can we get the page protected to stop this nonsense? - Canadian Bobby (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

It is already semi-protected. I think tougher protection would be counter-productive, and in any case I think this will all die down in a day or two. Bazonka (talk) 18:30, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Recognition of Kosovo

The official website of the President of the Republic of Kosovo has been removed Oman from the list of countries that have recognized Kosovo, Foreign Ministry no currently. What is happening? http://www.president-ksgov.net/?page=2,54 Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 22:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know! Perhaps things will become clear in the next few days. Bazonka (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I have sent a petition to the Deputy Foreign Minister Petrit Selimi and a mail to the protocol of the presidency. I believe it is error of web master of the Presidency. No co-ordination Jahjaga and Hoxhaj. Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 22:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I saw that you had insert on the list even Gabon. Please, coloring Gabon. Refresh and this (As of 9 September 2011, the Republic of Kosovo has received 83 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. 82 out of 193 (42%) United Nations member states.) Add: Gabon is member OIC. Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 13:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean I "had insert on the list even Gabon"??? We need more evidence before adding Gabon to the list. Bazonka (talk) 23:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

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Oops. Fixed now. Bazonka (talk) 06:39, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

RWC Pool D

Yeah, that Samoa thing is tricky isn't it? I also posted it with Samoa still able to finish 4th before I really took time to look at the numbers and realized that, while Fiji can pass up Samoa, Wales would drop below Samoa before that would happen. This is definitely an interesting tournament so far!My Dinner With Andre The Giant (talk) 14:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not going to happen though! Bazonka (talk) 15:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

bilateral maps

whilst I admire your attempt to improve bilateral maps, it is not helpful to produce maps for Tonga where you cannot even see where Tonga is. also maps of Australia do not show Antarctica, it is not considered part of sovereign land. LibStar (talk) 04:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

apologies, you can see a circle for Tonga, but for some strange reason this you can't see the circle when you insert onto bilateral articles. And also Antarctica appears as part of Australia. You are creating the right maps in the first place. LibStar (talk) 04:11, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted back to my svg map in the Australia-Tonga article. The png map is out-of-date as is does not show the border of South Sudan. The template map that I used does not show Antarctica, and in any case I don't think it is necessary to include Antarctic claims on the maps - as you say these are not sovereign, and are also disputed.

Regarding the China-Tonga map, your argument for not using the svg is that "you can't even see tonga on map". Well you can't see it on the png either! All this shows is a circle and a dot indicating the country's approximate location - the svg gives also gives the approximate location, so there's no real difference in this respect. Unfortunately the islands are too small to show properly on either map.

Also, according to China, the island of Taiwan is part of the People's Republic (albeit outside of its control). The png map indicates that it is completely separate, whereas on the svg it is shown in a paler shade of green. I feel that gives a more balanced, NPOV, depiction. Bazonka (talk) 08:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I have no particularly strong views on the issue, but I'm rather inclined to think that a regional map (easternmost Asia and the western Pacific) works better than a map of the entire world to indicate the respective locations of China and Tonga. The eye goes straight to the right place, rather than wander over large chunks of the world that have no reason for being there. (And on a regional map, South Sudan is not an issue, since Africa doesn't appear at all. So the png map was not "out of date".) As for Taiwan... Having it a lighter shade of green to indicate what is, in fact, an ineffective territorial claim seems reasonable; we'd have to see what tends to be done on other China locator maps. Aridd (talk) 09:07, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd be quite happy with localised maps, however I reckon the world maps are adequate - I think it is reasonable to assume that the people who'd be interested in these articles would have a rough idea of where the countries are. Most of the other Chinese maps do not have a coloured Taiwan - in my opinion this is POV and so I plan to change these. Bazonka (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of a locator map is to indicate the location of the two countries, for people who aren't too sure where they are. Therefore I would say that the countries need to be immediately visible on the map - which, in my view, is best achieved by having a regional map. As for China... I would suggest discussing it, on WikiProject China for instance. Aridd (talk) 07:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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Please see my proposal and give your views and opinions

It is regarding "International recognition of Kosovo" and article size. It is not a POV proposal, just a purely technical matter regarding the KB size of the article which is currently too big. Please see my proposal here and give your views and opinions. Regards IJA (talk) 14:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Sovereign Military Order of Malta and recognition of Kosovo

I am somewhat confused! What is SMOM?[2] I like the idea of Japinderum 17:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC) but I am confused. What to do with SMOM? Listing with the Republic of China or in a different list. Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 00:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hey, do you know how I might create an image similar to the one you uploaded? I'm starting a Iran-Sudan foreign relations article but lack the skills to create a map to show the two states in bold. Wikifan^{Be nice} 05:32, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I use software called Inkscape to edit SVG images - you can download this free-of-charge. It's then just a simple case of recolouring the relevant countries on an existing map, and then saving it with a new filename. (Alternatively, you can edit SVG files in a text editor, but this isn't so straightforward.) You should then upload the map to Wikipedia and incorporate it into your article using Template:Infobox bilateral relations. I can help you with any of this if you want - let me know. Regards, Bazonka (talk) 12:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I've looked at this Inkscape program and I'm totally lost. Can you point in the right direction? All I need is an image of Sudan (not South) and Iran highlighted, similar to the one I linked above. Thank you for the response. Wikifan^{Be nice} 10:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

It's probably easiest if I do it for you, so I've created and uploaded the map. I'll add an infobox to the draft article that you're working on: User:Wikifan12345/sudan. Regards, Bazonka (talk) 10:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Wow thanks. I really do appreciate your help. The article wouldn't be right without a map. : ) Wikifan^{Be nice} 10:39, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Bazonka (talk) 10:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Dude I am having a nightmare trying to create a map for Israel-South Korea relations. I downloaded the program. I keep trying to ink the two nations, it not only won't save but the colors disappear. I'm terrible with software/photoshop/etc. thoughts? Wikifan^{Be nice} 08:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Without actually seeing what you're doing and showing you, it's hard for me to advise you. But I'm quite happy to create the maps for you. I'll have a go later today (maybe tomorrow). Regards, Bazonka (talk) 09:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Done it! Let me know if you want me to do any others. Bazonka (talk) 20:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man. Yeah I tried doing exactly what you showed, with the circle, but then when I let go of the mouse key the entire map disappeared. I spent probably an hour trying to do it before I gave up. Wikifan^{Be nice} 21:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey what's up? I need a map for Iran-netherlands article I'm working on. Let me know if you have the time. Wikifan^{Be nice} 09:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

How's that? I hope you don't mind me editing draft pages in your userspace. Keep 'em coming! Bazonka (talk) 19:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's fine. I mean it isn't super urgent, I don't really need it until the article is okay enough for the mainspace. Whenever you have time. Wikifan^{Be nice} 22:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Erm... already done it! Bazonka (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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And this means you... Anyway, I have voted. Bazonka (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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26th parallel south

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Kosovo - Zimbabwe

Hi there. Although your edit summary doies not reflect this, it was I and not the IP who added Zimbabwe. I realise the source in question was not the best but I believe there needs a little something to fill Zimbabwe's position as this state does not appear to have any mention on the entire article. Obviously, Zimbabwe is one of those to recognise the pre-2008 status but how do we go about displaying it? Thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Why do we need to say anything? Yes I know it would be nice to have something for every country, but if there's nothing to say (other than the obvious, i.e. they haven't recognised) then I think it's best to stay silent. Zimbabwe is not the only missing country. Bazonka (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I am familiar with all UN member states and all disputed entities but scanning the list, Zimbabwe is the only one I can think of. Who else is not mentioned if it's all right to ask? Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Togo, St Vincent, Cambodia, Rwanda, etc. Bazonka (talk) 23:57, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 02:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Also Antigua, Chad, Republic of Congo, Fiji, North Korea, Madagascar, Mauritius, Myanmar, Nepal, Seychelles, and the Solomon Islands. Bazonka (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Arabian Sea different name

I am very wondering why you are busy with removing this text. if you see a problem on that you can edite it as much as you can but why you are deleting it please give reason.

The name of the body of water separating the Oman sea from the Indian ocean , historically and geographically had many different names as :

• Akhzar Sea-(GreenSea) -persian sea-Makran-Mokran- Mecran Sea-[3] Sea of Daria- Sindh usagaraha(meaning "Sea of Sindh" in Sanskrit) and Erythraean Sea ,Sindh Sea ,The Erythraean Sea ,Chah Bahar,Mare indicum, Mare Rubrum, Mare indicum,vagh vagh - Sea of Moheet-E Ajam and ... so name of the Arab sea, has been disputed by some historian in Iran - India and Pakistan. they blive that the arabian sea was first brought to the maps by colonialism in past 400 years.

Persian sea

File:ParsSeaMokran.JPG

from the book documents on persian gulf

Maahmaah (talk) 09:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

There was so much wrong with the edits that you made to the Arabian Sea article that the easiest solution was to revert them. I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be rude, but your text is really not of an appropriate encyclopedic quality - spelling errors ("blive"???), grammar errors, punctuation errors, layout errors, etc. But OK, I shall try to improve what you've added rather than deleting it.

I appreciate that English is not your first language, but I just don't understand some of the changes you've made. For example, "on the shores of the Arabian Sea" is fine; your replacement text "on the shores of Arabian sea" is wrong. There needs to be a "the", and Sea must have a capital S. Edits like this must be reverted. Why change it in the first place?

Also you insist that Astola is the largest island in the Arabian Sea. No it isn't. Socotra is much, much, much bigger. (And why did you change "Astola Island" to "Astola island", thereby introducing a redirected link? Names need capital letters!)

But to the main part of your edit... Much of what you have claimed is unreferenced. The Geographica Indica article mentions some of the names that you stated, but with different spellings or structures. Other names (such as Akhzar Sea and Mecran Sea) are not mentioned at all. Then you go on to talk about colonialism etc. None of this is referenced. Every word in Wikipedia must be supported by a reliable source, something which you did not provide. See WP:CITE.

I also think that some of what you've included is not even relevant to the Arabian Sea article. I think that "Mecran Sea" is actually the Gulf of Oman. I have no confidence (especially as it's not backed up by reliable sources) that what you've included is appropriate at all. And whilst you didn't include it in your latest edit, the image of map of Persia, showing the Persian Gulf and only a fraction of the Arabian Sea is not really relevant to the article either.

I'll try to see what I can salvage from your edit, but it will probably be scattered with citation needed templates, and if these aren't addressed soon, then it will all be deleted. Let me know if you have any further questions. Bazonka (talk) 16:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi you are right.it is not backed up by reliable sources in English text. my source of knowledge is from Persian and Arabic sources.i am able to give reference from Arabic and Persian website but as you considered it is in poor English text. .the way we work in Persian wiki is different from the English one. give me time i will correct it with reliable reference will back it with the reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maahmaah (talk • contribs) 18:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Manc

Not this time mate, maybe the one after. It is a friends birthday tomorrow mate. Sorry IJA (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Perhaps we should try to initiate a Leeds Wikimeet, which might be more up your cobbled street. Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 19:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)