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Hi there. I've reverted the additions in the "invitee" category as these cannot (as far I have been able to see) be verified through reliable sources. The only source we have is a list of players "expected to play" which cannot be used to deduce players in any category (such as invitees), per WP:OR/SYNTH. Of course, if you have a different source which explicitly lists the invitees, please re-add and cite that source. Regards. wjematherplease leave a message... 14:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi There, I have provided a different source. If this is considered SYNTH, then so is your previous edit removing Y.E. Yang from the past champions category by deducing it from the same published list of expected field. In my opinion, you are stretching the definition of OR and misapplying SYNTH. Regards.
- Unfortunately that source is no different - deducing the category in which players will be exempt is far from obvious (indeed there is no mention of category in the source), therefore violates policy. As a compromise, until such information is published (likely next week once the 3M has concluded to fill out the other categories), I've moved the list to the end with an appropriate explanatory sentence. It's worth noting that it's unlikely that some of the players "expected to play" will actually play, e.g. Pepperell & Westwood. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:34, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
This category is a catch-all. This has been the case for several years. In essence, it is analogous to a row in a table to include "none of the above." It is also listed in Bolton's cited recurring article under remaining qualification criteria. In fact, in the text that describes the update posted on July 23rd, Bolton refers to 20 international players that were invited that were in or near the OWGR Top 100, which is also mentioned in his article that I cited as one of the means for this category. In essence, your "solution" was to create another "none of the above" category in addition to the one that has always existed.
- The "invitees" category is an official one, not a none-of-the-above catch-all we are free to do what we like with – we do not decide which players are placed in it. Bolton is clear that how the PGAoA invitees category will be filled is unknown but indicates what may be expected – "This likely will include all golfers inside Top 100 of the Official World Golf Ranking on July 27". It is made quite plain that this is an assumption/guesswork, as while the PGAoA commonly invite players from the top-100, who knows for sure what will happen this year. In any case, this category can not be announced prior July 27 (conclusion of the 3M & owgr publication) due to the constraints of higher ones. wjematherplease leave a message... 19:20, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Quoting from reference 4 in the 2020 PGA Championship page "12. The PGA of America reserves the right to invite additional players not included in the categories listed above" That is quite literally "none-of-the-above" Every player listed in a field list published by the PGA of America has, by definition, been invited to play. The fact that some of those that have already accepted this invitation may subsequently also qualify in another category is immaterial. Essentially, by publishing a preliminary field list that includes players that are demonstrably not yet in any of the above categories is tantamount to an assertion that even if the player did not subsequently qualify by other means they would still be included in the field via this "none-of-the-above" category. It seems foolish to me to create another "none-of-the-above" section on this page when the PGA of America has so thoughtfully provided a place where we can enumerate published invitees that cannot (yet) be placed in any of the previous categories. By the way, I hadn't typed in the players names, I just cut and pasted from one of the earlier versions of the page including the list of players. It appears that whomever typed in this particular list of names originally had already filtered out players that could still qualify via category 9
- Please see my comment at Talk:2020 PGA Championship#Invitees and missing players. Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 08:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Could you please try to remember to follow WP:THREAD and indent your comments? (Makes it much easier to follow discussions). Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
2019–20 PGA Tour[edit]
Hi, do you have any further thoughts on the table layout (Talk:2019–20 PGA Tour#Cancelled Events)? Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 17:17, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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