User talk:Bobgrow

Welcome![edit]

Hello, Bobgrow, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! RadioFan (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And, finally 2 weeks later, it is approved as an article and is now in mainspace, at Wentworth-Grinnan House. Yay! --do ncr am 20:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP items / Wentworth-Grinnan house[edit]

Hi Bobgrow and welcome. The above welcome message from me is a canned message, but it includes good links, and I do personally welcome you. I saw editor RadioFan's comment on your new article drafted at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Wentworth-Grinnan House. Hey, don't be discouraged; please stick with it! I gather that the house is a contributing building in the Smithfield Historic District (Virginia). As such it probably can have a wikipedia article, i.e. it should meet wikipedia notability requirements to have one, but it would be good to have more material developed from sources. It is fine to use off-line sources; they do not have to be online materials. Your draft wasn't developed very far. Could you add more, and plan to re-submit it later? I will try to add some to the article too, if there is anything from the NRHP nomination document for the Smithfield historic district, which I will try to add. Don't give up! Carry on! It's hard to get started in wikipedia, but you have made a good start by picking a good topic already. Feel free to contact me at my Talk page anytime, and I will try to notice if you make any reply here, too, by my "watchlist"ing this Talk page. Cheers, --do ncr am 18:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a little bit to the draft article, from the Smithfield HD nrhp nom document which is indeed online. Could you possibly please add something from either of the sources you have in the article:

Dashiell, Segar Cofer (1977). Smithfield, A Pictorial History. Donning Company / Publishers. ISBN 0-915442-44-2
Frazier Associates (1990). Smithfield, Virginia, Historic Design Guidelines. Town of Smithfield, Virginia.

What do either of these say about the house? You could put in your own words, or you could quote explicitly with quotation marks. To include what's called an "inline reference" right after material from one of those sources, you can insert something like: <ref>Dashiell, Segar Cofer (1977). Smithfield, A Pictorial History. Donning Company / Publishers. ISBN 0-915442-44-2.</ref>, i.e. inbetween "ref" and "/ref". cheers, --do ncr am 18:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for doing that! The article is looking better. Hey, can you possibly provide a photo or two or three? Like a view of the house exterior, and perhaps one or two pics of any interesting details inside or out? To upload a pic that can be used in Wikipedia, the best way is to go to http://commons.wikimedia.org and follow instructions there. That uploads a pic to "commons" which can then be used in the English Wikipedia (and any other language wikipedia too, and elsewhere). Suppose the name in commons is "File:WentworthGrimmHouse-Front.jpg"; you could include that into the infobox in the image= field, just as "image=WentworthGrimmHouse-front.jpg". One or more pics would improve the article, but pics are certainly optional.

And, in the last paragraph, it would be nice if you could add inline source(s) to support that material. It is not essential to have an inline source supporting every assertion, though that is important if there is something asserted that is controversial or that has been disputed by another editor. Nothing seems controversial here. I am not sure whether mentioning the current owner is needed in this article; that doesn't seem to be part of why it is historically important. But if it is factual it can be kept in. And even better if it can be supported by a source...is there a county assessor's website that establishes ownership for the given parcel, i wonder?

But, anyhow, it is now already good enough for mainspace, I think, so if you want to hit the "resubmit" button, please go ahead. My guess is that the AFC reviewers will approve it now. :) cheers, --do ncr am 05:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! I am so glad you could add reference for the last paragraph and edit it, and that you could upload pics to Commons. I was guessing/hoping that you could.

Once I saw your edit summary mentioning having uploaded photos, I found my way to your 5 commons pics (by looking for contributions of user:Bobgrow, glad you have the same name there) and have now linked all of them from the article (see the new External links section), and I included 2 of them directly into the article. Maybe another pic could be added similarly into the article, or maybe 2 pics is good for now? About the door pic, i am going to ask another editor about how to rotate it properly, and I would like to put it into the article. You could make different choices, i won't disagree. At least they all are linked, so they can be found by a really interested reader or by any future editor. In Commons, I added "categories" for the pics, first adding them to commons Category:National Register of Historic Places in Isle of Wight County, Virginia then changing my mind and creating a specific new category, Category:Wentworth-Grinnan House (which is then included into the bigger category). Thanks so much! It would be great if you could take more pics of other Smithfield NRHPs and, if you do, include them into that big category at least. You can also add more pics to the Wentworth-Grinnan House category. I or other editors will always be glad to help with linking pics, too.

Now I think it is definitely really good, and if/when you choose to hit "submit" again, it will then be accepted. By the way, when you hit submit, it seems weird, first it blanks the page, then it restores the page with the same "declined" comment box at top, but now with "submitted" box at bottom. That seems weird but it works. cheers, --do ncr am 16:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates: oh, one more thing, could you possibly add the house's coordinates to the infobox in the article? I.e. fill in the blanks there to be something like the following (but these coordinate numbers are not correct):

 | lat_degrees = 32
 | lat_minutes = 04
 | lat_seconds = 34
 | lat_direction = N
 | long_degrees = 76
 | long_minutes = 9
 | long_seconds = 23
 | long_direction = W
 | coord_display = inline,title
 | locmapin = Virginia

One way to get coordinates is to use the Geolocator tool, and zoom in a satellite view of the house and click. First, in the "Google: Search the map" box to the bottom right center, enter "Smithfield, Virginia", then zoom in to the right house, and then control-leftclick i think, to get it to capture the coordinates, then manually enter those numbers into the infobox. This would then display a map of Virginia with a location point for the house, which is clickable by readers to view in Google maps or other maps service. If you don't mind having the specific location in the article (i think it is not private and adds to the quality of the article). I would add it myself but I am not sure i could find the specific house. cheers, --do ncr am 16:19, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I just took a leap and tried adding coordinates to what I think is the right house, if it is 123 S. Church St. Please do try clicking on the coordinates in the article and zoom in and see if it is the right house, could you? I hope this is okay and correct. Please delete or fix either way, however you prefer. Thanks, --do ncr am 16:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And it is done, in mainspace, at Wentworth-Grinnan House. I think it looks good. :) I received your "thanks" notifications before. Thanks for being patient, --do ncr am 20:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]