User talk:Bwmoll3/2011

Disentangling the Ft. Heath (MA) Article

Hi Brent--

I am a Coast Artillery fan and have been writing a series of articles on the various Coast Artillery forts around Boston, one of which was Ft. Heath. Now I've been reminded that it apparently had a "second life." :-) Problem is, the article is now somewhat graphically (and logically) chopped up.

If you wouldn't mind, I could give a try to simplifying the graphics and text and creating an article that is basically:

   1. Coast Artillery Fort (1898-1946)
   2. Nike and FAA installation (post-W2).

I would keep "my" (CA) graphics, notes, and links under the first part, and put "your" (Nike/FAA) ones under the second part. Do you think this would be a good idea?

I am not actually sure of the ownership and management of "Ft. Heath" during the post-WW2/pre-City of Winthrop period; do you know? And do you know where the Nike and FAA facilities were--like do you have a map? [I actually might have a tiny bit of info on this, since I seem to recall that there were once geodetic markers there for some of the Nike/FAA stuff.]

Regards, Pgrig (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note. I will try to implement the "1,2" organization I referred to above. Again, do you have any information about where on the site of the (former) Ft. Heath the Nike/USAF/FAA stuff was located?

• I understand that we don't "own" things we put up on WP, but I am one of those users who gives considerable appreciation to the desires and preferences of the original authors of these articles; without them, WP is nowhere.

Pgrig (talk) 20:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

• • Excellent images--particularly the website with the many smaller ones. It's now clear that the Winthrop site once had more radar domes than it previously had guns! I will try re-doing the article soon. Thanks for your help! Pgrig (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

CFS Resolution Island

I'm guessing that the category "Canadian Forces bases in Ontario" was just an error. I changed it to "Canadian Forces bases in Nunavut". Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 05:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Well at least it was just one small error, unlike me! I missed the fact that an airport had its name changed in the tables twice during the year which caused the statistics to add up wrongly, and the fix. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 05:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

17th Sqdn

Added some from the Tribune, and trying to twk the photos. BUT with your new info, the alignment of photos and white space should balance out. Done tweaking. Go for it. Cheers! Lance.....LanceBarber (talk) 16:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Goooood info... nice cleanup. Thx, Lance....LanceBarber (talk) 16:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Updated the List of Sqdns with your pic and data. Yessss...what a tag team! Lance....LanceBarber (talk) 17:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Dow/Bangor ANG

I think that your cut-paste move and expansion was a bad idea, but one that can be fixed by merging the histories together. Before I do that, are you quite sure that the historic Dow Field and the current Bangor ANG base should be treated as one continuous entity? Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know the history of the site -- I can see it out my office window. :-) I guess what I'm asking is if you're sure that we shouldn't have a Dow article that goes up to 1968-ish, when it was decommissioned, and treat both Bangor International Airport and Bangor Air National Guard Base as separate articles dealing with what happened afterward. It's easy to do that before I histmerge, but not so easy afterwards.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

If you're willing, moving the added info back to Dow seems like a cleaner solution to me. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

In any case, next time you move all the content from one article to another, please use the Move functionality, so the contribution history is maintained correctly. :-)--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

No rush -- just wanted to make sure things didn't get more muddled by waiting too long. One question -- is it correct to include the Bomarcs in the Dow article, when they were actually located off the base? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Air Forces Northern National Security Emergency Preparedness Directorate

Brent, I've done another level of updates to Air Forces Northern National Security Emergency Preparedness Directorate. I think I got the military relationships described, but the infobox I am not sure of. Could you please review the article, check my references, tweak the infobox and see if I got everything okay. A fresh eye is needed. Thanks so much, Lance.....LanceBarber (talk) 05:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the emblem fix. I found more AF articles and added them as REFs for change in command, mission, and more history. One great thing about Wiki, can be the best place to bring so many references together on so many subjects. I can get so carried away in reading refs, updating wiki, over and over. A real "kick", but can get tiring. Lance... LanceBarber (talk) 16:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Service award level

There has been a major revision of the the Service Awards: the edit requirements for the higher levels have been greatly reduced, to make them reasonably attainable.

Because of this, your Service Award level has been changed, and you are now eligible for a higher level. I have taken the liberty of updating your award on your user page.

Herostratus (talk) 02:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Northwest Staging Route

I was wondering if CFB Edmonton, then called RCAF Station Namao, should be included. It opened in October 1944 and was used for a few months. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Also should Edmonton City Centre (Blatchford Field) Airport be added to Category:USAAF Air Transport Command Airfields - Alaska? It was the major of the two Edmonton airports used in the NSR. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

OK. Sounds good. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Changing dates to a consistent format in US military articles

I am asking your opinion because you do a lot of work in articles on the US military. I developed a set of rules for AWB to change month-day-year date formats to day-month-year, having been inspired by military articles where there a lot of dates in both formats. I let it loose on 35th Fighter Wing, which had over 120 dmy dates along with 87 mdy dates. These rules also do a little touch-up, such as inserting spaced en dashes in ranges of full dates, such as "15 May 1966-7 February 1967" and "20 June-30 September 1969". Please take a look at the article and its differences, and let me know if it did too much or too little, and whether this whole idea is a good thing, and where it might be put to good use. Chris the speller ^yack 19:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Happy editing! Chris the speller ^yack 20:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DND Forward Operating Locations

I just came across this image. I then found this which mentions they have FOLs in Yellowknife, Inuvik, Rankin Inlet, Nunavut and Iqaluit. I see that we don't have an article on Forward Operating Location and wondered if there was anything for an article or even a mention in the towns articles? Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't really know but I would suspect so. I came across this and this which would appear to make it likely. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

From what I could see, from looking at this image, they use FOL community. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:15, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Sidi Haneish Airfield

Dont suppose you ever found any more information on this site? Unfortunatly thier seems to be more than one. at least a north and south LG-12 and LG-13 ?? Brian in denver (talk) 02:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

1st Experimental Missiles Group

Hey, BW!

Thank you for patching a long-standing red link on the Eglin AFB-related pages with your creation of the 1st Experimental Missiles Group / Squadron article. That was one that I was fixin' to address "one of these days"... HUZZAH! Bwmoll3 (talk) 12:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)Mark Sublette12:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Move of 102nd Intelligence Wing

Hi, you moved the article 102nd Intelligence Wing to 102d Intelligence Wing recently. Are you sure that's the correct name?

BTW, don't you think your talk page could use some auto-archiving?

User<Svick>.Talk(); 14:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Map of Air Force Facilities

Why was the map removed from the List of Air Force Installations Page? It was incredibly useful and reads much quicker than the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.201.66 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, the page looks a whole lot better btw. Good work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.201.66 (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ninth_Air_Force#Dealing_with_the_old_Ninth_Air_Force_lineage.2Fhistory

Would appreciate your thoughts at this question. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 23:27, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Maverick photographs

Bwmoll3, thanks so much for adding photos to the "Maverick" TV series article. I'd been wanting to illustrate it with pictures for years but it's difficult to do in every way; tough to figure out the sheer mechanics of it without actually going through some Wiki material (unthinkable) and there's the fact that most photos get yanked down eventually due to not satisfying someone's notion of rights usage demands. The screen shots from "Pappy" look great and I really appreciate your taking the time to do it! By the way, looking over your Talk Page, I'm fascinated by all the military research. Just read and wrote about the new "Seal Team Six" book, in fact (although not on Wikipedia). Upsmiler (talk) 01:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Panama City Metropolitan Airport

I was just going through the airports in Panama fixing up the maps when I came to Panama City Metropolitan Airport. I realised that the coordinates for it and Albrook "Marcos A. Gelabert" International Airport were the same, especially as I couldn't find any info on the City airport. I assumed they were the same airport and merged the material into the Albrook article and made the Panama City a redirect. Of course if I was wrong please come and yell at me. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:06, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

You created it. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

OK. I restored Panama City and moved it to Poncri Auxiliary Aerodrome. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 14:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 14:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:Lead

Hi Bwmoll3. I've just removed the heading 'Overview' at United States Air Forces in Europe as the lead section was too short for the article's size - see Wikipedia:Lead#Length. As far as I can tell from reading the MOS, the lead section itself is supposed to be an 'overview', and thus in many cases there's no need for the heading 'Overview', as it can all be merged into the lead. Would you mind having this in mind, and making the appropriate changes, as you edit and maintain the USAF articles ? Buckshot06 (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Brent. WP:Lead also says that the lead should 'summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies.' So if you get the chance to add some history-summarising sentences to the lead as well, that would be great. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 17:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Rapid Deployment Forces versus Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force

Hey Brent. Was taking a look at your AFCENT edits and noticed your changes to Rapid Deployment Forces. Two questions - wanted to check re the status of the RDJTF as a Joint Task Force under United States Readiness Command rather than as a UCC itself, as second regarding the whole article: are you planning to change the title to RDJTF ? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 17:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

As an admin, I can do that title shuffle for you if you like, so that the title ends up as RDJTF. Also, out of interest, where are you getting the text source from? - I'd like to take a look. Buckshot06 (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Brent. Would you mind actually changing the title sentence ? - this is not a deactivated unified combatant command, but a joint task force. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Question about military photo

Hi Bwmoll3: Could you please take a look at the "discussion" at User talk:IZAK#File source problem with File:Pres GW Bush mounting jet.jpg concerning File:Pres GW Bush mounting jet.jpg, perhaps you could add your learned opinion in this matter and help resolve it in some way. Thanks in advance. IZAK (talk) 05:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

OTRS

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Categorization of images on Commons

You are uploading tons of wonderful photos on Commons. However, I would be glad if you would invest a few seconds more and use the proper categories. For example, you mostly put all photos of "Saber"s in the "North American F-86 Sabre" category, although a special category for the "North American F-86D/K/L Sabre" exists. This is the same for the F-105, F-100 etc. It would save others a lot of time. Thank you! Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 10:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt answer! Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

File:104th Fighter Interceptor Squadron 1968 Pueblo Crisis.jpg

Hi, I readjusted the levels of the above photo, but I was wondering why Marland ANG aircaft wore the tail code "CT" in 1968? Since you seem to know every USAF squadron, you might be able to help. Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 07:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Sadly no USAF photos: http://www.nyaviator.com/F-86H_July_2009.htm http://aircraftmilitery-go.blogspot.com/ Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 11:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

305th Air Mobility Wing

It appears there are two articles description the same thing with largely the same contents, 305th Air Mobility Wing and 305th Operations Group. As it appears one of these could not exist without the other, I don't understand why there are two articles. I'd like to merge these. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The articles say the two groups are at the same airbase, operate the same aircraft, and have the same "components". Furthermore, the AMW launched in 1950 as the "305 Bombardment Group, Medium", which the OG article states was a renaming of the BG. The OG article states that you should see the additional history in AMW. They even have the same motto, and the article states that the AMW took this motto from the BG, which links to the OG!

So forgive my confusion. but from everything I can see in the articles the difference seems to exist only in AF paperwork that confuses more than it illuminates. And the linked references (sorta linked) certainly don't add any clarity. So if there is a difference, what is it, and why is it not more obvious to the reader?

Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

This article states that the AMW is the descendant of the BG. Given this is the official statement by the actual group, I'm willing to give them president. Also note that their own page for the OG, found here, makes no claim to be the BG.

That's the official page, but what about others? Well this article claims that the AMW is the descendant of the BG, as does this article, and this article.

The only articles that even suggest something different are the ones at the AFHRA, and they don't really say that. Read them carefully, you'll see that the two historical timelines fold together perfectly in 1951. So basically I think someone at the AFHRA got confused about the same naming issues that brought me here.

Do you have any further evidence on this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:16, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Whatever. After two days I still have no idea what the difference is, and it seems this is not important. I give up. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

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Paine AFB Article

Hi Bwmoll3:

Thank you for your update of this article. Much better now. A few questions, however:

-You did not include 56th PS with the 54th PG at Paine. My understanding is that they were stationed at Paine from 26 June 1941 until January 1942, and accident report data indicates that they lost a Curtiss P-36 (and pilot) near Dungeness Spit on 30 October 1941.

-Accident data and USAAF Chronology indicate that 406th BS operated Lockheed A-29's and Douglas B-18's in addition to Martin B-26's December 1943 & prior (Most of the accident data list the A-29's & B-18's as assigned to 16th Reconnaissance Squadron). In fact, the accident data suggest that the A-29 was operated by 406 BS in fairly significant numbers. At least 8 accidents of Paine-based A-29's (by my count) occurred between Jan. and Jun. 1942. (Interesting in comparison that only 1 B-26 appears in the data for 16th RS, at least that I could find. Early model B-26's had an unsavory safety reputation.)

-Under 329th FG, you excluded 337th FS. My understanding is that they were (albeit briefly) stationed at Paine from August 1943-November 1943, and lost a P-38H (and pilot) there on 7 October 1943.

Any particular reasons for these exclusions? Just want to know if I'm missing something.

A topic that may also be of interest to you: There is no mention of the U.S. Army National Guard CH-47 Chinook helicopter units that have also served at Paine Field (though I believe that the Paine Field article may be a more appropriate venue for that discussion- I think Paine AFB had been closed by then). I plan to add more material to that article once I have more information about the units. I know the aircraft were based there until around 1998, but I believe the units were different (or redesignated).

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Python29 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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Air Defense Groups

While editing references to these groups to include an ISBN for Maurer, I see you have been restoring links (to units and bases) that I had deleted as redundant. I'm new to contributing to Wiki, but it was my understanding that links were to be only to the first reference, rather than having multiple links on a page to the same page. Comments? (before we start editing things in and out on these pages). I like your aircraft references better than mine since they are to m/d/s (plus nickname in some cases), rather than only to m/d. Whatever we do about single or multiple references, your references should prevail. I did note one change that I believe is in error. Maurer's Combat Squadrons only lists types by year, and I think there's an F-94 listed for a unit that converted during 1944, but early enough that the plane was not flown while the ADG was active. Would also appreciate your thoughts on phrasing the narratives concerning F-86 upgrades from day fighters (F-86A/F-86F) to AI Radar/Rocket (F-86D) to Data Link equipped (F-86L) planes.

Lineagegeek (talk) 00:12, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

In response to your question on Air Service Group lineages (and referring only to those that became Air Defense Groups) My first info was years ago, when I obtained a copy of the 1948 AF letter disbanding them (thus became aware they existed) from the ARS historian at Scott AFB. About the same time, I also got information from the MAC files concerning the groups that moved to Casablance, Waller Field, and Presque Isle AAF and were reassigned to Air Tpt Cd. Some time later, I obtained the 1952 AF letter reorganizing Air Defense Command, which reconsituted the ones numbered between 564 and 575 as Air Base Groups. When I later made a request to AFHRA aimed at determining the constitution date for the Air Def Gps numbered between 500 and 534. The response, which surprised me, was that they too were reconstituted Air Svc Gps, and my contact at AFHRA emailed me some outline lineage information, which I have expanded from AFHRA's online unit history abstracts. The L&H info varies in completeness, but none is really complete. For example, I only have assignment information for a couple of Air Svc Gps in the MTO, although I am fairly sure most were assigned to XV AF Service Command (not following the example of 20 AF, which assigned them at the Wing level, or 8 AF, 9 AF, and IX Troop Carrier Cd, which assigned them at the Division or operational command level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lineagegeek (talk • contribs) 14:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Completing Air Defense Groups

I've added references and citations and expanded the history of all of ADC's Air Defense Groups with Wiki pages. I've never tried to create a page, though. There are some missing groups.

Redirects 529th ADG to 57th Fighter Gp (which for some reason has two pages, this one and the one for the 57th Operations Gp) 530th ADG to 84th Fighter Gp, 566th to 78th Fighter Gp, 4700th to 4700th ADW, and 4733rd to Goose AD Sector. These pages all formerly claimed incorrectly that the ADGs were redesignated as or redesignations of the redirect units, which I have corrected top show they replaced units.

No page 637 ADG, 665 ADG, 692 ADG, 752 ADG, 765 ADG, 778 ADG, 789 ADG, 827 ADG, 850 ADG (all short lived replacements for similarly numbered radar squadrons - 683 ADG and 701 ADG are similar and have pages) 4620 ADG (later 4606 ADG, a SAGE programming unit, rather than an operational group), 4750 ADG (training group -- predecessor of 4756 ADG)

I haven't looked at the AAC and USAFE groups. Let me know what you think about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lineagegeek (talk • contribs) 21:09, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Injanah Air Base

Can you point me to the evidence you have that shows this was used by the USAF? Buckshot06 (talk) 06:59, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

448th Wing

We have two 448th Wing articles, neither of which seems to include the lineage of the 448 Bomb Group that was one of the ten original groups of SAC. There's no page for the 448 Wing at AFHRA. Can you or your team of experts sort this out? Buckshot06 (talk) 11:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

	IAAF Historian of the Year
	Thank you for your contributiion to the history of Independence, Kansas and the Independence Army Air Field. Keep up the good work. Cuprum17 (talk) 13:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

381 Sqn

Hi Bwmoll
I have just finished copyediting the 381st Bombardment Squadron article. One thing I noticed was that the Emblem caption is for the 428th, but the 'image' says the 381st Squadron - which is correct? As you seem to be the main man concerning this offering, I thought I would bring it to your attention.
(Coming from the east side of the 'pond', I have no idea)

Cheers

RASAM (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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351 Strategic Missile Wing Squadrons

Hi Brent,

I stumbled across your entries for the 508th, 509th, and 510th Strategic Missile Squadrons of the 351st Strategic Missile Wing at Whiteman AFB, Missouri.

Much of the data for the 509th, and 510th is incorrect.

The 509th is made up of GOLF, HOTEL, JULIET, KILO, and LIMA flights.

The 510th is made up of FOXTROT, INDIA, MIKE, NOVEMBER, and OSCAR flights.

You've got the 508th names correct... ALFA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA, and ECHO flights.

I've no way to accurately assess your coordinate listings. However, there is a map of the 351 SMW missile complext listed on eBay if you want to see a real image of our missile complex.

I'm a medically retired Air Force officer. I was stationed at Whiteman from 1987 - 1993. I was a flight commander in the 509 SMS.

I hope this information can be corrected. It'd be a shame to have the great history of the 351 SMW listed incorrectly. I tried to update the Wikipedia pages, but being my first attempt to edit on Wikipedia I think I've fouled up the process. I can be contacted at coscopper@embarqmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coscopper (talk • contribs) 03:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

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Eleventh Air Force

Hi Bwmoll3 - Merry Christmas! Hope you're getting a good holiday. Thanks for all your hard work on this article back in March. Could I just ask a couple of questions about your approach? First, did you deliberately mean to leave all the naval battle of the Aleutians material in there from the public-domain sources? I've chopped a bit of the purely naval aspects out, but wanted to consult you. Also, wanted to ask what your purpose was in adding all the airfield locations when you mentioned each combat group. I would like to work the combat groups and squadron mentions into the text, and add the airfields where relevant. But I'm not sure why the airfields need to be in the main Eleventh Air Force article. They can probably go at the XI Fighter and Bomber Command articles, because the groups were operating under their command, and there's masses more of the Eleventh Air Force's tale to be told that is not in the main article (post-45). Looking forward to your thoughts, Buckshot06 (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Lonely Days

And what is your justification for undoing Eric 444's redirect of it, other than wanting to? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:44, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Way to play the WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT card with Dylan. Unsourced + stub = generally redirect. I've told you that I usually give Top 10-15 benefit of the doubt. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:04, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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