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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024[edit]
Hello Compassionate727,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
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Happy First Edit Day![edit]
 | Happy First Edit Day! Hi Compassionate727! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC) |  |
Your move closure[edit]
I see that you've closed the discussion on:
- Edward V of England → Edward V
- Edward IV of England → Edward IV
even though consensus was clearly not in favour. Would you please consider reverting your close? It appears to me to have little reasoning or valuation of the arguments behind it. Non-admins are advised against closing discussions where the outcome is likely to be controversial - see WP:BADNAC. Deb (talk) 07:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I just noticed this closure as well and was also surprised, since the discussion did not reach consensus. Like Deb, I would ask that you please consider reverting your non-admin closure. Thank you! ╠╣uw [talk] 10:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Deb and Huwmanbeing: The role of a closer is primarily to apply policies and guidelines and only secondarily to count votes. In this case, the guideline's prescription is clear: Medieval European monarchs should only include a territorial designation when necessary for disambiguation, and disambiguation is not necessary in either of these cases (indeed, there is nothing else to disambiguate from). Those who dislike this prescription should be seeking a consensus to change the guideline (or downgrade its status), rather than attempting to block changes that conform with it on individual articles. I stand by my closure; you may challenge it at move review if you wish. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 12:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a Move review of Edward IV. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Deb (talk) 13:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Closure of David III of Tao → David III[edit]
I applaud your approach to weigh the arguments depending on how well they are supported by policy. However, your closing decision here rests heavily on the following interpretation of the opposing argument:
the somewhat related [opposition] argument that the proposed titles were less recognizable was valid and weighty under policy
. This statement suggests you believe that WP:RECOGNIZABILITY is measured on some kind of continuum, where more recognizable is better than less recognizable, period. However, the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria is clearly specified as a threshold that must be met:
The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
That is, a title that "is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize" meets the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria just as well as a title that is more recognizable to the public in general. The proposed titles all meet this criteria, there is no dispute about that, so RECOGNIZABILITY does not favor opposition.
Your closure also dismisses the supporting argument citing NCROY, because you claim NCROY "does not actually apply to Georgian monarchs (being Asian)". Although NCROY seems to limit its scope to European monarches by stating it is "intended to apply to medieval and modern European rulers and nobility", it also says: "Elsewhere, territorial designations [like “of Tao”] are usually unnecessary in article titles". Georgia is "elsewhere": therefore, per NCROY, "territorial designations are usually unnecessary". Opposition did not show why these titles should be exceptions that necessitate territorial designations in their titles.
Please reconsider your decision accordingly. -- В²C ☎ 04:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I want to acknowledge that I've seen this and the comments on the talk page but have been too busy the past couple of days to devote to these questions the attention they deserve. I will try to respond over there tomorrow. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 18:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Belligerents at Battle of Kosovo article[edit]
Hi, Compassionate727
Thank you for taking the time to close the RfC concerning the Battle of Kosovo infobox. As you may recall, the RfC concluded with the exclusion of Muzaka and Jonima from the article. However, their belligerents were also automatically included to the infobox when the leaders were first added. This practice has, of course, been applied consistently for all leaders and their respective belligerents in the infobox. If a leader is put into the infobox, so is their faction too.
While the focus of the RfC was primarily on the leaders themselves, it seems logical to extend the same rationale to their respective belligerents. Opening a new RfC specifically for the belligerents would be inefficient and time-consuming for everyone involved. Both the leaders and their belligerents were added simultaneously based on the same sources, and both instances conflict with MOS:INFOBOX.
Rather than initiating a separate RfC, I suggest it would be more efficient if you could share your opinion on the article's talkpage regarding belligerents (Talk:Battle of Kosovo § Belligerents). I'm asking you because you've already delved into the topic and gained some insights, and perhaps most importantly, you would serve as a third party. It appears that those who opposed the exclusion of the leaders are less cooperative when it comes to the removal of their belligerents, despite the fact that when they were added, they were added completely simultaneously.12
If you believe there are significant differences between the leaders and their belligerents that warrant another RfC, please inform me. I value your opinion regardless. Thank you.--Azor (talk). 15:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is unacceptable, Azorzal. You have been blocked from editing this specific article for 3 months. Now, you're contacting someone who gave a ruling on this specific instance to remove content that you clearly don't like. You had the possibility, until now, to disguise this feeling with arguments, but what you're doing on this article is an anti-Albanian campaign. Everything "Albanian" should be removed from the article, and I can provide diffs if you want it that way to substantiate my claims. Compassionate727, you should be reminded to look at the history of reverts on the article Battle of Kosovo as well as on the talk page, it becomes clear for how long and specifically what content has been tried to be removed from certain people. AlexBachmann (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, AlexBachmann. If you believe removing the content is "anti-Albanian campaign", do you also believe the ones adding the content to have been running a "pro-Albanian campaign"? I am interested in the opinion of third parties to make sure that neutral editing is sustained on the Battle of Kosovo article. One might expect that someone running a nationalistic campaign wouldn't seek the input of uninvolved editors through, for example, a RfC, right? You're among those supporting the content's inclusion in the article. Can I ask, have you ever initiated an RfC or any other action which might bring the attention of involved editors to the article's content? --Azor (talk). 18:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know what the entire context for this dispute is and I doubt I want to. I will say that I don't view the commanders and belligerents as necessarily analogous, due to there presumably being much fewer possible co-belligerents than sub-commanders that we could include in the infobox. Beyond that, I agree that a separate discussion would be necessary to reach a consensus on this matter. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 23:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, AlexBachmann. If you believe removing the content is "anti-Albanian campaign", do you also believe the ones adding the content to have been running a "pro-Albanian campaign"? I am interested in the opinion of third parties to make sure that neutral editing is sustained on the Battle of Kosovo article. One might expect that someone running a nationalistic campaign wouldn't seek the input of uninvolved editors through, for example, a RfC, right? You're among those supporting the content's inclusion in the article. Can I ask, have you ever initiated an RfC or any other action which might bring the attention of involved editors to the article's content? --Azor (talk). 18:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Move review for David III of Tao[edit]
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Non-admin closures[edit]
After reviewing your NAC's at Talk:David III of Tao and Talk:Edward IV, I think you should read/review Wikipedia:Non-admin closure. Specifically under WP:BADNAC it states, #2 "The outcome is a close call (especially where there are several valid outcomes) or likely to be controversial." These two discussion clearly meet this criteria.
Additionally I think your close at Talk:David III of Tao is particularly problematic. Closing a discussion with one result, then returning days later and reopening the discussion only to change the result is inappropriate, regardless of whether one side of the discussion is continuing and ignoring the close. Not notifying the participants you reopened the discussion and changed the results is inappropriate.
When you close a discussion, it clearly states for the participants:
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The new comments from participants you responded to should have been placed in a new discussion section, or should have been discussed at move review. Participants cannot simply continue the discussion once it has been closed.
If you feel your original close was an error, you as closer could reopen the discussion and notify the participants of your decision to reopen the discussion and the reasons. Since reversing yourself on a close clearly shows the discussion meets WP:BADNAC #2 ("where there are several valid outcomes", "likely to be controversial"), you should absolutely refrain from closing the discussion again or changing the result (other than reverting your original close actions). Any new close should give reasonable time for the participants to respond to your explanation for the reopen and I think the close should be made through Wikipedia:Closure requests with a note that an admin should close.
Your closes may stand on review, but please refrain from future controversial NAC's. // Timothy :: talk 05:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Replied over there. I will add here that I originally thought this would be an uncontroversial no consensus closure, and by the time I realized I was wrong, I felt the best course of action was to continue on the path I'd already charted. I don't enjoy this drama, and I don't intend to court any more of it. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 21:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – May 2024[edit]
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- Phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship review has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including creating a discussion-only period (3b) and administrator elections (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as creating a reminder of civility norms (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the full report.
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