User talk:CyJLee

Hi, this is CyJLeeCyJLee (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I've seen a number of apparent Mercyhurst articles recently...

I know there is a wiki project going on at the college, and perhaps people are being given assignments to post on the public Wikipedia. Nevertheless, there is a substantial amount of material on the intelligence cycle, analytic problems, collection methods, etc., already there. While I don't own the material, I have written a lot of it, with help from other Wikipedia collaborators.

To be perfectly frank, I have yet to hear anything new in the target-centered work. Rather than just post things from the book, compare and contrast them with some of the work already discussed in articles here. Certainly, I'd like to know why Clark is more significant than Heuer, Davis, or even Kent.

You've said Clark's method is superior, but rarely in terms of current analytic technique. It may well be an advance, but that is certainly not obvious. Consider, for example:

Intelligence collection management#Ratings by the Collection Department. If you can, read the entire series starting with Intelligence cycle management, although I understand some of the collection technologies like SIGINT and MASINT are not everyone's cup of tea, if you don't have an egineering background.

• Analytic tradecraft notebook: http://www.i2inc.com/Products/Analysts_Notebook/
• Davis: https://www.cia.gov/library/kent-center-occasional-papers/pdf/OPNo5.pdf
• Heuer: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/psych-intel/index.html
• Krizan: http://www.scip.org/2_getinteless.php.
• Johnston: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/analytic-culture-in-the-u-s-intelligence-community/full_title_page.htm

I don't mean to be hard on you WP:BITE, but there were several people posting last week on apparently Mercyhurst related projects, and not responding to any queries, suggestions, etc. It's frustrating -- and my first academic work in intelligence was in 1967, at American University. There is an Intelligence Task Force under the Military History Project; the task force hasn't been that active as a unit although the participants comment a great deal. Perhaps, if there are a group of people at Mercyhurst, the task force page could be a venue for collaboration.

As with any academic field, it's wise to read the existing literature before proposing new hypotheses. Again, this isn't you alone -- in fact, thanks for responding; the others have not. It might be useful to look at things like intelligence cycle management or MASINT in edit mode, so you can see the citation conventions and Wikipedia style.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 04:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello again! Thank you for your advice! Someone suggested to me that I change the name of my article to Intelligence cycle (target-centric approach). So, I did that. I'm not sure that the protocol is for starting and leaving a wiki page. My advisor thinks this topic would be better suited under the intel. cycle heading.

To move an article, get into edit mode and click the "move" tab at the top of the page.

May I suggest that it might help your advisor to communicate with people that have been working on intelligence topics at Wikipedia for a while? I am not blaming you for the assignments you are being given, but it bothers me if there have been assignments to "create articles on Wikipedia" without looking at existing work. It might not be what your advisor can grade most easily, but some of these topics might better be a new section in an existing article.

Alternatively, it might be best to take material out of an existing article and create a new article with both old and new information. Again, more for your advisor than you, it's not going to help people in the US intelligence community to jump in and create reports without seeing what has been done, although, of course, there's more approval in the IC. I'm reminded, though, of one of the well-intended comments of the DCI least qualified for the job, Red Raborn (a brilliant engineer and engineering project manager with no international relations background). After one briefing, he said he was fascinated to know there was a conflict between the Soviet Union and China, and did they have some more material about it?

The Deputy Director for Intelligence snapped at the DCI, "And how many wheelbarrow loads would you like?"

Oh--just some suggestion on mechanics of talk pages. If you are posting a new topic, put it at the end, since the archive programs run chronologically. The "new section" tab will put the article there. Remember to sign with four tildes, which has a function beyond knowing who wrote it -- it separates the comments of multiple people in a back-and-forth discussion. I may make several edits to the same section at the same time, but sign each, because my edits relate to different paragraphs.

There are differences of opinion on whether to post a query on someone's userpage and get the response back on yours. Recently, I've been coming to the opinion that while that can be done, it's worth copying all the back-and-forth on each page. It's otherwise hard to follow.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 13:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaming pages

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently copied the contents of a page and pasted it into another with a different name. Specifically, you copied the contents of Target-Centric Approach To Intelligence and pasted it into Intelligence cycle (target-centric approach). This is what we call a "cut and paste move", and it is very undesirable because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. The mechanism we use for renaming an article is to move it to a new name which both preserves the page's history and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves to request the move by another. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. Russ (talk) 17:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)