User talk:Educator888

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Hello, Educator888, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like TESST College of Technology, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of TESST College of Technology[edit]

A tag has been placed on TESST College of Technology, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

August 2009[edit]

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article TESST College of Technology, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Thank you. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous problems with the article. First of all you appear to have a conflict of interest regarding one of the extrernal links - your user name is similar to that of the web site, which may constitute "link spam". The references provided are all either from the school's own website or from a press release by its owner. These are not considered independent, reliable sources. It appears that this article may exist primarily to promote the school, and promotion of anything at all on Wikipedia is prohibited. Because of all of these, I have questions as to whether or not this school is notable enough to have an article at Wikipedia. By the way, the existence of other similar articles does not justify the existence of this one. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Realkyhick,

Could you please explain why do you think that:

> If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article TESST >College of Technology, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, >edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of >the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, >you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

> 1. editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and >products they are involved with; > 2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and > 3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).

Which link makes you thinking that "your user name is similar to that of the web site"?

'You cited some site called "1888edu.com" and your username is "Educator888" - that's a little too similar for coincidence.

>First of all you appear to have a conflict of interest regarding one of the extrernal links - your user name is >similar to that of the web site, which may constitute "link spam". The references provided are all either from the >school's own website or from a press release by its owner. These are not considered independent, reliable sources. >It appears that this article may exist primarily to promote the school, and promotion of anything at all on >Wikipedia is prohibited. Because of all of these,

The school is still notable enough to have its own face and more than 1000 students according to the governmental sources, please see the links which I provided in the article. Can you publish the list of your criteria for notability.

The general Wikipedia guideline for notability is found here. Various specific policies are found linked from that page. Moreover, the one and only governmental site you referenced contradicts what you just said above - it says 358 students.

> I have questions as to whether or not this school is notable enough to have an article at Wikipedia. By the way, >the existence of other similar articles does not justify the existence of this one. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:45, >14 August 2009 (UTC)

Educator888 (talk) 11:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

One other thing: The {{hangon}} tag does not apply unless the article is a candidate for speedy deletion, which is not the case here. You might need to read up on some of the links I've provided to become more familiar with how Wikipedia works - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 14:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the "888" issue: If you have no connection to the site, then there's no problem. As for the minimum number of students, there's no set number. The problem is that you claim a number that you can't provide a reference that we can verify to back up what you say. Moreover, for-profit private colleges tend to get greater scrutiny than non-profits because many of them have had a history of trying to promote themselves on Wikipedia, and so far your editing history shows that this article is the only one you have Let me add that this article is not presently in danger of being deleted, but these are issues that need to be addressed to make sure it doesn't became a candidate for deletion later on. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 17:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the references from the US Department of Education about the number of students on the institution campuses. Educator888 (talk) 19:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That did the trick. Excellent reference. I've removed all the warning messages now, and you're good to go. Let me know if you need help. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]