User talk:Greghenderson2006/Archive 2

November 2019 - Elwood Walter, No. 7 moved to draftspace

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~Kvng (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

My response to Kvng

Thanks for your review. I've made some changes per your suggestion and was wondering if you want to take a look at it now or should I resubmit it. You say in your review of Elwood Walter, No. 7 draft article that, "The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Sandy Hook pilot."

I have addressed these issues and feel it now has sufficient content because:

1. the pilot ship Elwood Walter No. 7 was one of the earliest pilot boats that was built duing the 1860's, which is citated by good secondary sources.
2. The article is an example of a Sandy Hook pilot boat that was given a pilot number "seven" by the New York Merchants' Pilot Association.
3. The text and sources are on par with other wiki articles, e.g. William Bell, No. 24, Pet, No. 9, etc.
4. I've added a citation to the burning of the ship Wabamo, which was rescued by the pilot boat Elwood Walter.
5. Provided secondary sources from Charles Edward Russell and image of ship.

Reply from Kvng

Your changes have indeed focused the article on the vessel so it is now more difficult to make a good case for merging the content to Sandy Hook Pilot. Standalone articles must meet WP:GNG. There are a lot of offline sources cited but the online material I see here does not give the required in-depth coverage of the vessel to meet this requirement. See WP:OTHERSTUFF for an explanation why the existence of similar articles is not necessarily a good argument for creating this one. Your work has improved the draft and I would suggest you resubmit it to have another reviewer take a look at it. ~Kvng (talk) 14:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Resubmitted for review

I have made the following additional changes to Draft of Elwood Walter, No. 7:

1. Added direct citation for The New York Times Memorandum
2. Added citation for New York Morning Courier
3. Added secondary source from Charles Edward Russell
4. Added online citation for Shipbuilding and the Nascent Community of Greenpoint
5. Added online citation for Ellwood Walter, No. 7, taking off the crew
6. Added image of Elwood Walter, No. 7
7. Added references to other wikipedia pilot boats, et. George W. Blunt, No. 11

Greg Henderson 17:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)