User talk:HuginAndNotMunin

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Happy editing! Grimes2 (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! 'Appreciate the welcome :) HuginAndNotMunin (talk) 07:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Talk Talk, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC) PS: Changing nationalities, for example from "English" to "British" (or vice versa), can be extremely controversial and is best avoided unless a very clear reason is set out and agreed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - I see your point. My understanding is that British is the standard (i.e. legal) nationality unless an individual has overtly laid claim to a local identity (e.g. English), but always happy to discuss. HuginAndNotMunin (talk) 06:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Nationalities

Hi. Per Ghmyrtle's comment above, I would respectfully ask you to stop this crusade. I don't think it will lead anywhere good: as Ghmyrtle says, it often leads to ill-feeling and may be best avoided. I don't think the legalistic argument about technical nationality works - it's just a little label not a UN statement. I think that if you continue with this, you may run of the risk of causing annoyance as it has all been seen many, many times before and the best advice may be to let sleeping dogs lie. If you do want to pursue it I would suggest – this is just off the top of my head, not a fully-formed strategy! – either that you should always first seek consensus on the talk page of the article where you propose to change it, or, perhaps better, find an appropriate Wikiproject and discuss it there. This has the big advantage that if you did then gain consensus, you would be able in your edit summaries to refer back to that discussion, which would give you more credibility than it just looking like a series of unsupported edits. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I would add that your statement in edit summaries that "'English' has not been a legal nationality since 1707" is of very little to no relevance when it comes to editing Wikipedia articles. Personally, I would always default to British unless "English", "Scottish", "Welsh" etc. is clear from the context, but any changes to existing wording on this are often very contentious, and are usually unnecessary and best avoided. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for these comments. I am confident that GHmyrtle is correct, in that British is the default nationality unless the individual or group concerned specifies a local identity. There are, for instance, some people who are quite insistent that they are, say, Scottish or Welsh, and if that's how they self-identify it is arguably appropriate to reflect that. This is rather rare in relation to 'English' as a label, and the edits made reflect the lack of any such re-definition in each case. But the wonderfully titled DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered is also quite right that crusades help no-one; I've done my bit to improve a few pages, and if others are insistent upon degrading them that's life - or it is here, at least. HuginAndNotMunin (talk) 14:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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