User talk:Maggot666PL

56th Uddeholm Swedish Rally

Hey. Good catch with the incorrect (57th) article title. In case you spot another error, after moving, you can request the bad redirects to be speedy deleted with {{db-r3}} or {{db|Reason here.}}. Keep up the good work, Prolog 13:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess it just shows that people don't really know if it is the 56th or 57th, which shows it's not a common title. We should probably make a naming convention for all rally reports. There was a bit of discussion about it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject World Rally before. I would prefer "2007 Uddeholm Swedish Rally" kind of format, or without sponsors in the title like all the rally articles (Swedish Rally); "2007 Swedish Rally". Prolog 21:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think this naming format makes most sense. Anyway, there are still so few rally reports here that there is no hurry to make all the titles consistent. Prolog 04:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Colin McRae's British nationality

According to a discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport, we use British flags for British drivers, independently of the region they were born in. So I will be undoing your reverts on the WRC season pages. --Pc13 15:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The key with things like this are what nationality was he entered in the sport in question. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 15:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

There's only one motorsport authority in the UK: British. --Pc13 15:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Rally

Hey. I'm thinking we should make the result fields (winner, second, third) optional in this box and leave the info out in some of the rally articles. It would help to reduce the huge amount of whitespace, and the results are right below the box anyway. What do you think? Keep up the great work, Prolog 12:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think listing only the winner in the box looks good in the Polish Wikipedia. I'll make the second, third, start and finish fields optional some time this weekend and see what it looks like. If I really, really, really, really have nothing better to do, then I'll also try to add some basic information in prose form. Prolog 09:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey again. Great work with completing the 2007 season with Corsica, Japan and GB articles. I just created 2008 Monte Carlo Rally by mainly following your layout, but I left out the width="100%" on the special stage table. With widescreen displays pretty common already and resolutions getting bigger and bigger, 100% tables will be hard to read for many. I also removed the width parameters from Monte Carlo Rally earlier. I'm also wondering whether the "Time" column, the one for when the special stage began, is worth the time and space. If we ever have articles on older rallies, this bit of information will be very hard to find anyway. What do you think? Prolog (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

A few columns in the table might look a bit too tight now. I just made the table sortable, which gave it some "air", but the sorting function didn't seem to work with those columns. Margins would work, I suppose. A good place to look for more generally accepted wikitable ideas is Wikipedia:Featured lists. I don't mind the time column, since it does provide useful information. I guess I'm just a table minimalist.

It's a shame Bosse isn't there at Monte. WRC needs a non-Citroen driver who can challenge Loeb on tarmac, and deliver funny one-liners. Hopefully the new Subaru will be fast. Prolog (talk) 20:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The margins you added make the whole table centered, instead of aligned to left like text and tables usually, so I don't think that's a good idea. I also have to respectfully disagree by many many many many pixels. At max-width 1200px, the table is at about 1080px on a 1280*1024 resolution, and I think that already has way too much empty space in it. I would set max-width down to 800px, which is approximately how the table looks like on 1024*768. It takes longer for the human mind to process information from a large table than from a compact table. I personally prefer a smaller table aesthetically also. Prolog (talk) 23:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The centered table looks good, but I am mainly interested in keeping it left since it's the current standard practice. Left-alignment is not set in stone, though, and I don't know if it's even in the Manual of Style. I think 900 and 950px look suitable, and make the table easier to read for users with large screens. I don't really have an opinion on font-size, since tables with 85-95% fonts have always looked fine to me on any screen I've tried.

The championship standings table is an interesting idea. I agree that it does not provide very important information. A good thing might be that the table could be taken from World Rally Championship or 2008 World Rally Championship season (once it has one), which seem to be up-to-date enough, in which case it wouldn't be much extra work at all. By the way, shouldn't the "Standings" section in the rally articles be named "Results" or "Classification"? "Standings" gives at least to me the idea that the rally is still being rallied. Prolog (talk) 00:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, if by "WRC results" template you meant Template:WRC race report, then I fully agree that it should be orphaned, deleted and replaced with something like pl:Szablon:Rajdowe Mistrzostwa Świata 2008. I can't think of a reason not to show the reader the whole season at once. However, the Polish Wikipedia has the template information hidden by default. Maybe we should show by default, since there is not much information and these articles won't have many templates like seen on Poland for example. This way the reader can't miss the information and won't need to do any extra clicking. A template like pl:Szablon:Rajd Monte Carlo would also be a good idea. I guess these templates could be based on Template:World Rally Championship results layout and code. I don't think there is any way to create a working "master template" that could be transcluded like {{Rally|Monte Carlo Rally}} and {{Rally|Swedish Rally}}, so separate templates need to be created like in the Polish Wikipedia. I'm not sure I got your idea about the infobox, but I definitely agree with getting rid of some of the fields. Prolog (talk) 05:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I have to admit the centered 950px table looked pretty good at least on 1280*1024, but I removed the margins anyway. I also went ahead and created Template:2007 World Rally Championship season. Feel free to modify as you wish. I haven't added it to any articles yet. Prolog (talk) 07:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. I would shrink the size down further: "Dates run" can be presented in one line like "January 24-27, 2008" (I think this looks better too), "Stages" can be like "19 (365.09 km)" and team fields can be merged into one like "47 at start, 34 at finish". I also think three lines for the "Overall winner" is quite much. Maybe leave out the car, or even further into one line: " S. Loeb (Citroën)"? I don't think the light blue colour is perfect either. Maybe the "dark" grey of F1 infobox would look better?

I don't think adding links to other Wikimedia projects in the infobox is a good idea. At least, I've never seen it done and there is the widely used Template:Sisterlinks for the external link section. There is also a guideline about this at WP:MOSSIS. Prolog (talk) 13:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The infobox looks really nice now. I don't think two flags is too much, as in your example on my talk page, but I'm not sure about three. Two lines for the winner seems to work well. I like the LightSteelBlue, obviously since I used it for Template:WRC driver, but it suits the rally infobox as well. It should definitely be less distracting to the reader than the lighter one. Prolog (talk) 03:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice work, and yes, it's definitely good to have new ideas floating around. Prolog (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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