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Pepi II

As someone else who seems to be taking an active role in entries on things relating to ancient Egypt, I just thought I'd invite you to peruse the extensive update I've done for the entry of the final attested pharaoh of the Old Kingdom, Pepi II Neferkare. Just figured you might have more to say at the very least on his funerary complex, since that seems to be your specialty.

Cheers! 8-{)} Captmondo 15:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Boundary Stelae image

Hi there. I see you uploaded Image:Stelae_u.jpg. Can you please add an appropriate tag (Wikipedia:Image copyright tags)? Thanks. Rd232 20:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Great Pyramid in wrong location

Markh: In case you didn't notice, you put your page User:Markh/Great Pyramid in the location Markh/Great Pyramid. I expect you wanted it to be at Great Pyramid. (Unless you are an administrator, you probably want to mark the incorrectly located copy for deletion.) — Nowhither 20:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Update: Markh/Great Pyramid seems to have been deleted. — Nowhither 17:42, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Bride of the Nile

Hello, can you verify the article's content? Also, categorization is required. Thanks. --Ghirlandajo 09:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Userbox

I'm stealing one of your userboxes, why don't we make it an actual template?

KV(Talk) 04:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think that it would be better to use simpler hieroglyphs than
R8
ntr for beginners :)
KV(Talk) 15:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Ancient Near East warfare taskforce

I see you’re a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt. Might you be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Ancient Near East warfare task force, which will include wars of Ancient Egypt such as Battle of Megiddo? See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Ancient Near East taskforce? Neddyseagoon 15:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Trouble in Mi’kmaq-land

I'd be grateful if you'd look in on the dispute at Mi'kmaq_hieroglyphic_writing and its talk page. Evertype 16:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahmose I Under Peer Review

First of all, thank you for making some tweaks to the Pharaoh infobox last week -- the whole thing looks much better as a result.

I wanted to ask for your input on the Ahmose I article I and another editor have been contributing to recently. He's place it up for peer review and I would particularly welcome any comments you may have on this article, in particular any holes you may see in it, or areas you think need more material. I don't think we are aiming for Featured Article status just yet, but we're at the point were any useful criticism from someone with more than a passing interest in the subject would be appreciated.

Cheers! Captmondo 15:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Bil(a|i)teral Signs, Tril(a|i)teral signs

You've titled these two articles Egyptian bilateral signs and Egyptian trilateral signs but the original article on Egyptian hieroglyphs calls them Biliteral and Triliteral...possibly you could clear this up? Thanks! --Bookgrrl 00:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

D'oh. Thanks for point that out! Markh 11:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Sesostris

I've done some basic scans on google and through my texts on ancient egypt to try to find the most frequent variation on s-n-wsrt I, II, and III, and I've found sesostris to be five times more common then senusret. I'm running this past you and Captmondo before I make the change, but I believe that Sesostris is probably the logical choice for the name for those pharaohs. Any opinion? Thanatosimii 18:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ian Shaw's The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt has Senusret. Most names ending with -is (Amenophis, Osiris, Isis) are Greek renderings of Egyptian words. I think we should stay with Senusret Markh 20:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to push the issue, but I really don't think senusret is the best, as per naming conventions. Shaw does use senusret, but by my research, very few others do. Gardiner, who literally wrote the book on hieroglyphics, called him Senwosre, (the terminal t was dropped off because it was mistaken for the feminine ending, that rendering now appears as senwosret) which is also derived from Hieroglyphics and not greek. Senwosret also appears about twice as often on Google. The british museum and the University of Chicago both seem to like senwosret as well. I've just got qualms with senusret, because it uses a somewhat out of date transliteration policy with regards to when to turn the W sign into a U sound.Thanatosimii 22:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Sesostris is no where near the correct transliteration. Wolfram Grajetzki's Middle Kingdom book also transliterates it as Senusret. Gardener is not the last word in Hieroglyphics, his book is now quite outdated – what does Allen have ?
Should this discussion be on the WikiProject ? Markh 11:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think I'm going to write somthing there, but I can see your point. I am just a little taken aback by that spelling because up until about three days ago I had never heard of the variant senusret and had always been told to tranlsitlerate W as W and not as U. But perhaps it is more established than I had believed. Oh, I know that Gardiner's book is outdated in several parts, what I meant is that because another comprehensive work has never been written on the subject, gardiner's grammar is still used as the standard work and transliteration conventions generally come out of it simply because everyone in the discipline knows it so well. Thanatosimii 15:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Links to Sites containing Plagiarised material

Markh: You have posted lots of links to Tour Egypt all over Wikipedia. Tour Egypt routinely engages in plagiarism of its material from other web sites and books and it is a violation of Wikipedia policy to link to such sites. Please don't include anymore!

Well unless you give me examples then I will continue to link to whatever sites I think support the edits I have been making. Also please identify yourself when posting to my talk page. Markh 17:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Seti I

It's nessessery to correct the titulatury. Nomen is Seti Merenptah and praenomen is Menmaatre !!! not like in the infobox. pl:user:NeferKaRe--213.169.107.71 21:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Ancient Egypt Tag

Well, I can't think of anything you haven't taken care of, however I have expressed some concerns back at the Talk page for our wikiproject concerning the functionality of the template, and that the bot doesn't seem to recongize it. Thanatosimii 17:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahmose I article tag looks OK. What are you seeing? Markh 17:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

BetacommandBot

Hi. I am looking for a process to automatically add a template to any articles that are in a category. It is for Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team to add {{AncientEgyptBanner}} to all articles that are category Category:Ancient_Egypt. Would BetacommandBot do this, if so what do I need to do to run it ? Thanks in advance Markh 11:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Where do you need to add {{AncientEgyptBanner}} on the pages? if the bot can do it i'll list it on Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approvals and after i get approval ill do it if i can. Betacommand 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I would want it to tag the talk pages with the tag. Not sure whether that is a bit tricky? Markh 18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Real Easy let me make a request on WP:B/RFA Betacommand 04:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you by any chance lend a hand?

Captmondo and I are growing worried that our constant edits to Ahmose I are rendering the article a slew of only loosely connected paragraphs. We are in need of someone to do a good copyedit to the article, who isn't one of us, so that our own idiosyncrecies can be smoothed out by someone who notices them. It would also be beneficial to get someone who understands enough about ancient egypt to not mess factual accuracy up when fixing strange phrasing. would you be willing to take a look? We're hoping to go for Good article quite soon, and perhaps even FA not so far down the road, but it is becoming difficult to work with in some places because it is being constructed piece by piece. It needs a pair of fresh eyes. Thanatosimii 18:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I will review, mayve after this weekend – family coming! Markh 20:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Captmondo says he still has a little bit to do anyhow, so after the weekend is a good time. Thanatosimii 21:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Captmondo got Editor_at_large to look over Ahmose, and he has a significantly copyedited copy in his sandbox, User:Editor_at_Large/Sandbox. I noticed you did a small copyedit, sorry I didn't warn you earlier, but we're focusing our edits on that one so we can comment in text <--Like This--> about things we think need work. Thanatosimii 19:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, the Ahmose article has had some rough edges shaved off, so sometime soon, unless anyone has any big objections, I think we're going to move it back into Ahmose I and get it nominated for GA. However, do you see any glaring problems still remaining that should be fixed in the meantime? Thanks. Thanatosimii 21:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Neferkare

I see you nominated this page for deletion with the reasoning it should have a different title. Moving articles to a different title doesn't involve deletion and should instead be requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. (see WP:MOVE). Happy editing! - Mgm|(talk) 10:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Valley of the kings article

Hello Markh, see iu edit sth on da valley of the kings article, then can iu check the Valley_of_the_kings talk page? --Walter Humala |wanna Talk? 02:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

GA

Isn't "A" technically between "FA" and "GA"? Ahmose was "A" before, so technically I think you just demoted it... Thanatosimii 00:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You are right! Sorry got carried away with the whole thing! Markh 08:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Requagnah

Hello, I'm checking the 1911 Britanicca version of the the Vault (architecture) article - it refers to the oldest vaults in egypt being located in Requagnah and Denderah in 3500 BC. Whlst Denderah can be found easily (it's even blue linked) the particular spelling of Requagnah yields nothing on google whatsoever other than mirrors of the 1911 encyclopedia site. It must have an alternative spelling or name. I wonder if you might know? Cheers. --Mcginnly | Natter 20:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hieroglyph (French Wiki article)

So if this is merged, shouldn't it now become a redirect, instead of sticking around for double maintenance? - Jmabel | Talk 06:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted (not sure what actually links there, other than talk pages). It was translated from the French article and used as a template for a re-write. I will flag it now. Cheers for pointing this out. Markh 08:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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Valley of the Kings Improvement Drive

It's probably already at the quality level necessary for a "Good Article" designation, but my critiques are more aimed at making it "Feature Article" quality. First things first of course. ;-)

The article is slowly getting there, but there are a few more gaps or problems as I see it that need dealing with:

  • FA editors frown on anything that is a sentence or two long for a complete description of something. Keep that in mind.
Not too sure what you mean, 2 sentances isn't long enough or too long. Markh 23:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "and his son Akhenaten's tomb was constructed in Amarna" - my understanding is that KV55 has often been ascribed to Akhenaten, likely built after the Amarna period. It's an obvious conflict that ought to be addressed.
His is definately in Amarna as I have been in it! Markh 23:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but the point is that he had two tombs, one in Amarna that he almost certainly constructed for himself, and the other in the VofK likely constructed under the pharaoh responsible for returning to the old religion (take your pick of Smenkhkare or Tutankhamun). Not to worry, I've got the references somewhere and could likely whip something that sets the record straight.
The article is shaping up nicely btw! Captmondo 03:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry was being dim there! I have a couple of articles in magazines to track down, and then probably gp through it again and see where we are for FAC – even if it fails, then it will help with the article's structure I hope Markh 21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Not a problem! My point may not have been obvious, and his "other" tomb in VofK is not considered an important one. I had that one covered.
The process to follow ought to be to first run the article through the Good Article candidate process first. I think it is safe to say that it likely to pass that handily at this stage. Then move on to nominate it as a possible Feature Article, where you can expect a proper grilling. ;-)
Happy to help! Cheers! Captmondo 00:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "Exploration of the valley" section is thin on pictures. Not a requirement by any means, but there's got to be a good 18th or 19th century out-of-copyright drawing or early photograph that could help illustrate this section. I think a picture showing some ancient graffito would also be interesting, if one can be found. (I haven't checked, but you might want to head over to Project Gutenberg and look for any pertinent illustrations from the few but choice Egyptology books listed there).
Added some pictures. Markh 20:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It is still not clear to me what constitutes an "important" tomb, important enough to be included on the list. Paintings/carvings/who was buried there? Making this explicit prior to the list would be helpful.
  • Given that we know that the VotK was used primarily by pharaohs of the 18th - 20th dynasties, who is not buried there? Am thinking in terms of obvious canadiates for something like "KV64".
  • Speaking of which, should probably put "KV64" in quotes, since it is not an official designation.
  • I still think the "Architecture" section a bit thin, though the idealized illustrations of the tomb-types definitely helps. I think this needs to be more specific than it currently is, maybe picking a typical tomb of each era and highlighting its key differences (and why).
  • Still need more than single-sentence descriptions for the important tomb descriptions.
Will think of more stuff. Markh 21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that's about it. It's coming together nicely from an obvious jumble before to an article with a good shot at aiming at for future FA status.

Cheers! Captmondo 12:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

All good stuff. I was thinking about pictures, and illustrations. I have several old (i.e. out of copyright books, but they are generally poorly illustrated). I will look on Gutenberg, and see what is available. Having looked at GAC and FAC, we are already getting too long for GA (over 32k). Markh 13:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Ahmose I is similarly over-sized, and I think in this case especially it can be allowed since in many ways this is a compendium article, drawing from (and linking to) many individual related topics. Given the size, the only thing you are likely to be dinged on would be not being thorough enough. ;-)
Some potential sources for images:
Happy hunting! Captmondo 17:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the procedure to use images from Gutenberg ? Do they just go in as being from the book, or do we have to credit PG ? Markh 17:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe all you technically have to do is cite the book, since it's public domain and you can't copyright a 2d copy of a 2d image; however, as per the citations in Ahmose, it's probably a good idea to cite the project and the page. Thanatosimii 21:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Kamose

Dear Markh, On Kamose, I had to remove your fix for the 'broken references' on this king because it somehow deletes the actual text of the Carnarvon stela here. Wikipedia visitors should be given the chance to read the actual text, in my opinion even if it is partly propaganda on Kamose's part as when Kamose highlights his subject's resistance to his Year 3 camapign against Apophis in order to heighten his military greatness/prestige. After all, this is an important historical document--one of the few surviving stelas from late 17th Dynasty Egypt which lays out the situation on the ground. Regards, Leoboudv 21:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like I missed a closing slash. Well spotted. Markh 23:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Valley of the Kings

I have a healthy interest in archaeology and can help copyedit the article for the FA nomination. I just came off a rocky FAC myself. However, my expertise has been with technical articles and I'm not sure if Wikipedia's prose standard is different with history (not a standard of quality, but...you know, minor stylistic things). I'll try and copyedit the article sometime tomorrow and we can see if it improves it any. --Zeality 23:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That would be great! I've actually tried to change the contents (much of which I didn't write) the same, I guess I should have just rewritten it all from the first. Good learning experience though! Markh 08:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've seen that you have withdrawn the nomination of the article. I for one applaud the effort you sank into it -- it is a much improved article over before.
Sorry I could not be of much help at the time you posted it to FA, as I was just starting another round of business-related travel and was not in easy reach of my reference books on the subject. Now that I am back I can help lend a hand where needed, though I strongly suggest you have someone else give it a good copyedit first. I would recommend Editor at Large, who did a good job on the Ahmose I article and is interested in Egyptology in general. You might also want to see if there is general interest in tackling this collectively by others interested in the subject (it is likely that Thanatosimii could be convinced to help).
Also, has this article in fact made it to Good Article status? I haven't seen a note to that effect but they tend to take much longer and are much less intensive than. This should be in place prior to re-submitting this as a Feature Article.
Don't be disheartened at not getting this in as an FA article. Articles rarely make it to FA on the first round.
Cheers! Captmondo 21:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
No, every comment was helpful, I withdrew it basically 'cos no-one new was commenting, and I didn't feel that I was going to satisfy those that had any time soon! Its a much better article, and did make GA during the process, so I guess that is good. I will fiddle with it a bit more (I want to add a whole section on conservation now the pressure is off), and then get someone else's input, the guys that did Ahmose did a good job, so I may take up your suggestion. Thanks for the help in what we have done so far. Markh 22:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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Karnak

I noticed you've dedicated some attention to Karnak, so I was wondering if you can give me a hand with somthing. I plan on taking your picture [1] here and edit it to show the specific parts of karnak built by the pharaohs who built there and insert such images as an illustration reign by reign through the New kingdom where it would be useful. However, to do this, I need to know piece by piece which person (most likely) built what part of Karnak, and to do this, I need a source dedicated to Karnak, rather than just piecing it together from fragments in my texts, which don't even agree all the time. Do you know of any books that are explicitly dedicated to Karnak itself? Thanatosimii 06:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I have been using "Thebes in Egypt" by Strudwick and Strudwick, which is a nice little book. Also Wiegall's Guide to antiquites of Upper EGypt - out of date (1911!), but very good. Markh 09:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I've heard of Thebes in Egypt... it's in my college library, but that's closed until mid January. I'll try to get ahold of that when it opens. Thanatosimii 17:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Thanks for being quick on the revert. If you are an admin please also block User:DaJAG as per his edit on Sulawesi and his comment on his own user page. He might be vandalizing more right now. MadMaxDog 00:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

From reading his page, he is history! Markh 18:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

British Museum

I saw your note over at Ahmose I. We apparently have to have a GFDL image of Ahmose's Shabti, which is supposedly in the british museum. If you can get one, it would be helpful. Thanks. Thanatosimii 20:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I will look this week, it may take some looking! Markh 21:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this one [2]? It may not be on display ("Objects in the Department of Ancient Egypt and Sudan's Study Collection are accessible by appointment only. People wishing to make use of the research facilities should make an appointment in advance".). Markh 21:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Hey Markh, I've been wanting to find a map to use in Ellora Caves and could use your advice since you made {{Valley of the kings imagemap}}. The map at the bottom of this link [3] would be ideal for that page. I'm not sure if it is copyrighted, I'd assume so but cannot find a sign of that on the site. The contours look the same as [4] which I found on flickr, this photo is freely licensed but I'm not sure about whether the sign is, and the resolution isn't that good. And I'm not sure if either one permits derivative works. What do you think about this? dvdrw 05:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, all I can suggest is what I did - I found a source that was out of copyright (drawn by someone who has been ded for more that 70 years), and then altered it to include things found since then. Markh 21:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Ramesses IV

Dear Markh, Thanks for creating the pharaoh infobox on Ramesses IV. There is one or two things that I have been unable to add in the Pharaoh infox: they are 1) the identity of the king's spouse, a certain Queen Tentopet and 2) his son Ramesses V. I tried typing in Son=Ramesses V for the latter but it doesn't show up in the pharaoh info box. Could you just add in these 2 personal details regarding the king here? I appreciate any help you can give. Thank You Leoboudv 01:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Elbows

Just so you know... that disambiguation page which pointed to, among other things, Weni the Elder, that was unnecessary, because the alternate definition had been made up. Urban Dictionary and Uncyclopedia are not reliable sources. DS 22:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Leoboudv 06:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Ramesses II

Hi ! I'm pl User NeferKaRe and I'm the author of many articles about the ancient Egypt and the pharaohs in polish Wiki. I think the revert made recently is all wrong. Somebody's got to "clean up"!I mean the name of the king should be spelt Ramesses. Best regards ---213.169.107.91 16:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC) pl:User:NeferKaRe

It seems that the article about Ramesses II. is very often violated, now he is even called Rameseses II! Egyptzo 20:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It has been moved 'accidentally', as the pages now exist, I can't move it back without possibly losing edit history. I have posted a rename request - see the article Markh 08:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Markh, Pls correct this great pharaoh's name to Ramesses II or find a Wikipedian who knows how to correct the situation and preserve all the alterations done since your mistake soon. The folks at Encyclopaedia Brittanica are surely watching the situation with glee. If we lose a few days of edit history, that's OK by me because but most of the recent contributions on Ramesses II are unfortunately just plain vandalism which I and many others have had to revert recently. I did 2 to 3 minor contributions on Ramesses II today but I wouldn't mind losing them just to get his name right. I haven't seen anything new on him in the past few days to tell you the truth. With kind Regards, Leoboudv 06:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Betacommand

Mark, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Betacommand. -- llywrch 19:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I certainly hope you won't stay away forever.

Perhaps the most infuriating part of wikipedia is the accusations by know-nothings when we try to make things scholarly, so I can understand your upsetness. However, your presence will be missed and I hope you decide to swing by again sometime. Thanatosimii 00:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Amenhotep I FA nomination

Three days ago I nominated Amenhotep I for FA, and it's not getting a lot of attention by reviewers. It may have somthing to do with the fact that it's now halfway down the page and not quite large enough to grab the attention of people skimming the page. If you have any comments about it, dropping by the nomination page couldn't hurt spurring on some discussion. Thanks. Thanatosimii 23:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I added an extra comment on the discussion page of Nefernefruaten. (below) More scholars are accepting that there were indeed 2 kings with the prenomen Ankhkheprure towards the end of the Amarna period. I just name a certain mass produced book by Dodson which you may be able to access more easily on this person. I always try to ensure the info. which I post is accurate and verifiable. It is certainly exciting when a new or previously misattributed New Kingdom pharaoh is discovered. [5] Regards, Leoboudv 07:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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Request to Revert

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KV55 and revisiting the Valley of the Kings article

I have recently managed to cobble together an SVG-based line-drawing rendering of a top-down view of the tomb KV55, as part of a general "improvement drive" I am working with that particular article.

After completing the illustration, I remembered that you had included some "generic" images of tomb layouts for the Valley of the Kings article you had spent much time on earlier in the year. I was planning on doing the same line illustrations for other tombs, but if there are particular ones you would like me to tackle in order to illustrate the other major "types" of tomb layout, let me know and I will give those ones priority.

By the way, have you thought about applying for Good Article status for the Valley of the Kings article?

Cheers!

Captmondo 13:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

KV55 / Valley of the Kings

Good map! It would be great if we could have 'bent-axis' and a 'completed' straight (i.e. 20th Dynasty) one. Maybe Thutmose IV and Ramesses V. I still need to revist the VotK article, after spending time away from it. Markh 11:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I have my tasks laid out for me. It's a long weekend here in Canada and I'll see what I can whip up for you during that time. Cheers! Captmondo 14:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Fantastic! I've not been doing much other than reversing vandalism for a month or two. Markh 20:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Have finished the SVG illustration of KV43. Source is on Wikimedia Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:KV43.svg, and you can see it put to use at KV43.
KV9 (Ramesses V) is what you want next, correct? Captmondo 01:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Material NOT COPYRIGHTED!!!!

Fine if you dont believe me and the fact that i helped make livius.org , instead of copying it ill just take the info and tweak the words and such.

Dear Sir or Lady,

I am a professor of Ancient Near East History at the Point Loma Nazarene University and our university in conjunction with history departments of nearby colleges have made together livius.org Therefore I have everyright to use material that I own the copyright to and plzz passs this on to anybody else who continues to revert my edits.

According to "Four notes on copyright" at http://www.livius.org/mail.html, the material there belongs to Livius.com. And I very much doubt that you are the Jona Lendering who is listed as the author (and holder of the copyright) to the Nectenabo article that you "borrowed". Unless you can prove otherwise, removing the copyrighted content is the only viable option.
Furthermore, Point Loma Nazarene University doesn't list any courses relating the Ancient Near East in its History department, so I seriously doubt you are the academic you claim to be. Captmondo 19:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

As I told Captmondo on his talkpage, reporting Leo's plagiarism to an Admin seems appropriate here. One of you may have to do it soon before Wikipedia gets sued by a copyright holder. Leo has even copied some of my contributions on websites like the Guardian Ancient Egypt Bulletin Board here: [6] Technically, all posts and text there belong to the Guardian web site. While I don't have a problem with his copying of my text since I am NOT a professional Egyptologist--and don't claim to be one unlike Leo--real scholars take copyright violation very seriously. Since Leo does not seem to take your 'advice' seriously, an Admin might have to freeze or ban his account if he keeps ignoring your warnings. Fabian B Leoboudv 07:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have left a note here User_talk:Leo_III#Repeated_copyright_violation, not sure what else I can do without simpy reverting all this user's changes Markh 11:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Markh, The photo of Nectanebo's sarcophagus by Leo is a clear picture & paste from the Livius site. It is not similiar to the British Museum image, however. If you want to take a photo of it, feel free to do so. BTW, Leo's photo of an apparently genuine item of Khyan is also copied from a web page by Kanibel. But for this beautiful image, I gave the specific URL source--under my anonymous 24.87 IP. You can click on the image for my note on the source. Hopefully Kanibel will be mollified since his web site is listed as the source. If not, I suppose it will be deleted too. Any views. Fabian Leoboudv 23:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello there Markh:
I don't think the Nectenabo sarcophagus is a critical image to have -- there are already several good images on Wikimedia Commons, and the article is already illustrated with a picture of an obelisk from the British Museum, and a picture of a statue head I took earlier this year from the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. It certainly wouldn't hurt if you took a picture of it and posted it to Wikimedia Commons, but I don't think it is needed per se to illustrate anything that's important.
I would encourage you to take some pictures of items that could be used to illustrate "holes" in Wikipedia. A good example I can think of off the top of my head is anything that could be used to illustrate the Hyksos article. The large and obvious things (Rosetta Stone, large statues of the New Kingdom pharaohs in the main foyer of the museum) are well known and well represented, however having some pics that may illustrate lesser-known figures would also be useful (such as articles on various Queens, anything having to do with Amarna, Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom pharaohs who are under-represented, for example) would be good. The Petrie Museum has an excellent collection of Old Kingdom pottery/statuary which would be useful to help illustrate various articles on the kings from that period. Anything that you might find and photograph on Pepi II I would particularly appreciate.
The next time I head to Britain both of those museums are on my "must see" list. There's also a collection I'd like to visit in Liverpool that I have heard much about, as well as one that is in Durham (if I remember right) that has been recently refurbished. Time, money and circumstance allowing, of course.
A final note to yourself and to Fabian: I'm off for just over a week on vacation beginning tomorrow, to a place in the wilds of the Ontario north well away from Wikipedia. Cheers! Captmondo 12:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hyksos

There is a particular user who keeps pushing his fringe idea that the Hyksos are really Armenians and--now suddenly--that they were Indo-Europeans rather than Indo-Aryans from Syria/Canaan. Everytime he contributes, he uses a different IP and keeps pushing his POV here which is a non-starter among Egyptologists who concur the Hyksos were Asiatics. I made contributions under my anonymous but always similiar 24.87.136.31 IP removing it but he keeps reverting them...which partly explains why this article is such a mess! Almost as difficult as the Great Pyramids of Giza to handle. If you see the Hyksos page, there are all sorts of fringe ideas here..including Jacobovici's equally unorthodox ideas. But, Jacobovici doesn't claim the Hyksos were Armenians! While his book is readily accessible, the other book this writer cites from 1990 is not! I spoke to Thanatosimi (Thomas) about him once and he said this guy uses sock-puppets to push his ideas that really the Hyksos were Armenians and now that they are Indo-Aryans when the Hyksos king's names all suggest an Asiatic (ie. Aryan) background. He also told me this guy uses IPs which start with 75 or 76.

Here is Thanatosimi and Captmondo's discussion on my talkpage about him:

"Re:Hyksos Yeah, I know that user well. He's totally blocked and banned and the works for horrid behavior over in Armenia. We just need someone to block his new sockpuppets. Thanatosimii 23:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

One of his recent postings including a reference to a Scientific American article from the early 90s that I had remembered reading, and knew that his argument very much over-reached the actual conclusions of the authors. He then reverted my deletion saying that it came from a book (with no page reference, naturally) instead. I have been keeping tabs on the situation peripherally, and I think there are only a few possible solutions for those of us who wish to retain the integrity of the information on this topic in Wikipedia: - Do the work and upgrade the article to Feature Article status: I don't know if I can be of too much help in this area, as all I can contribute are references from a single substantive work in my personal library. However improving the article will keep the spotlight on it and administrators will be more adept at spotting and closing the sock puppet-ing. - One of us becomes an administrator, with the intention of keeping watch over the Egyptological articles: I would gladly nominate you, Leoboudv for the position, as you are clearly a regular and conscientious contributor in good standing. Ditto Thanatosimii, but previous post in this thread excepted, his talk page says that he is on an extended break. I could also do the job (and if you nominate me I would accept), but every now and then business or teaching takes me out of the picture for a while. Administrators have access to better tools against sock puppetry, and having a administrator who is fair and knowledgeable in things Ancient Egyptian is a good thing in general. -Try to contain the views in an "Alternate theories" sub-section: am guessing this has already been tried, and that the sock puppet contributor is unlikely to see his pet theory as anything but mainstream. -Cede the ground to him on this point: not a palatable option, but I would be remiss if I didn't mention it. Not one I can live with though. Now that my teaching is done for the school year I plan on doing more on Wikipedia over the summer, and if there is anything either of you would like to collaborate on that I can help with substantially, I'd be glad to do so. Cheers! Captmondo 12:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)"

If you have any ideas to block this sock puppet and his extremely fringe ideas that the Hyksos were Armenians or worse yet..Indo-Europeans (naturally if the Hyksos were Armenians), let me know. Can an Admin block his various sock-puppets or the insertion of the word Armenian in this article (a more effective approach), I wonder? Leoboudv 21:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I have seen this user do this before as well. I think we have to report a sock-puppet and vandalism. It looks like we just have to be quite active in looking for their edits. Markh 21:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
We need to get the list of addresses he is using and post them on the admin board (and 3RR). Markh 22:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Markh, Here are some of the anonymous IP's: 75.51.161.156, 75.19.60.233, 75.17.4.211, 75.51.172.177 and 76.246.26.160 As you can see, all the IP's start with number 75 or 76. Could an admin ban these IPs and secondly, could an Admin ban the use of any IP starting with a 75 or 76 digit from editing the Hyksos article? (ie. require any fringe editor to 'register' rather than hide in the shadows). One can ban the aforementioned IPs but he will just show up with another anonymous IP starting with a 75 or 76 again. That is his pattern. He does one to two edits and than uses another anonymous IP. He also tried to manipulate the page on Mitanni. Same old story...Armenians are related to the people of Mitanni, etc even though the kingdom of Mitanni is thought to be located in the region of southern Turkey or Kurdistan near the border with Syria--nowhere close to Armenia. Leoboudv 02:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

He's just shown up again on the Mitanni article with User No. 76.237.9.93 Different user number but same starting digit 76 here. Leoboudv 10:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like they are in Germany [7] [8]. Markh 10:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that they are all the same person, not a bunch of different anons. He always keeps restoring the exact same text just as he has done since he was permanently blocked last spring. Just one man with an agenda to advocate, and a flagrant refusal to obey any rule or policy which inhibits his attempts to convince the world that the Armenians were in fact a world power in ancient history. Thanatosimii 19:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Cut and paste move

Hi, I had to fix your move of Mortuary temple of Hatshepsut. The material was cut and pasted from Hatshepsut's temple. In order to comply with the GFD license (requiring edit histories to be intact), the page should have been moved using the move function.-Wafulz 16:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

cheers, I copied the article into another and then changed my mind. Cheers for picking up the pieces. Markh 18:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Kadesh

I would like you to give me a hand because there is this user Rktect that keeps saying that the Hitties used an army composed of 10,000!!!!!!! chariots and 10,000 infantry while every source says that the army as composed of 3.500 chariots and 37,000 infantry. He also says the Egyptian army had 10,000 chariots while modern estimates indicate that there were 2000. He keeps using the argument that only half of the Egyptian army participated (which is true) and that each division had 2500 chariots a number that even exceeds the total of chariots in the whole army. He claims that Amon division wasn’t in battle position when hitties attacked but they were in a fortified camp and also he forgets that Ramesses’ bodyguards were part of Amon. I gave him 2 internet sites where he could see that this point of view is correct. I have already tried to knock some sense into his head but he does not listen. Please help me stop this defiance of history. Since you have already helped me improving this article I thought I could ask your help again. User:Super Knuckles 14:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

He has also copied the text for his references, which I have reported to adminstrators. That didn't stop him reverting the article everytime. If you think he is pushing a non-neutral point of view, and not listening to reason, then it can be quite traumatic to keep a level head. Can you report him from violating 3RR rules (WP:3RR), which should get him banned for a short time. You could also try and get the article locked for a week or so, just to cool things down. Markh 19:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I've had trouble with several "problem users," and they either learn how to edit Wikipedia more appropriatly (an uncommon occurance), get bored and leave (not common, but has happened), or throw a fit and eventually get blocked for some trivial violation, then sockpuppet their edits back in again, and get a community ban. Let's hope one of the former happens, because the last is a pain in the neck to straigten out. Thanatosimii 21:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I added a reference to the only conflict documented in Thutmose IV's reign on the Battle of Kadesh site here: [9] Its impossible that Thutmose IV even fought a single battle in Asia--he had made peace with the Mitannian king. The quotes which you deleted from Battle of Kadesh is a good move. I found them very distracting but I think this user may simply revert your edit in future.

They are back again. Markh 23:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

BTW, did you see Wikipedia's recent note about having 2 million articles. That seems great at first until you note that many have minimal content or are duplicates of other articles. I checked Citizendium today and they are still quite slow: they don't have a single article on any of the Ramesside kings including Ramesses II! No wonder Wikipedia is more popular with on-line users. Leoboudv 21:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Nectanebo II picture

I hate to say it, but it's not really necessary. If you take a look at the existing Nectanebo II there's already a decent picture of his portrait in the pharaoh infobox, and picture from the Louvre of one of his obelisks. The sarcophagus is good, but it's not really *needed* per se. There was an earlier discussion where someone had posted a pic of it derived from a copyrighted image, but the article is already well served as it is0.

I also suggest that if you are planning to add similar photos, upload them to Wikimedia Commons [10] rather than to the English Wikipedia, since then anyone in any of the other language-specific Wikimedia projects can also have ready access to the image. (Just for fun, here's my [11] of images that I have posted there, most of which are Ancient Egyptian in subject matter).

Also (and I know I am being picky here) best to get a full-on side view of the sarcophagus rather than the awkward corner-angle in your pic. And having people visible in the background is also a bit of liability (though cropping them out is possible in this case). This might be a bit unfair though, as I versed in PhotoShop well enough to remove people who might appear in the background of a given picture. ;-)

However I do envy you your proximity to the British Museum! It is high on list of places to visit (again) whenever OI get the chance! Thank you as always for your help! Captmondo 18:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried a full side view but it just looked like a dark lump! I'll try again and see whether I can get a better one. I have some detailed pictures, so perhaps they should go straight onto commons Markh 18:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Definitely. Let me know when they are there and I can catalog them. Thanks also for the pic of the Shabaka Stone -- I had never actually seen it before, though I had read of it. Captmondo 19:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
The Shabaka Stone is stunning. Its massive, but really badly displayed, so everyone ignores it. Markh 19:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hyksos again

User 76.XX (you know who!) is again pushing his fringe ideas on the Hyksos web page. His behaviour now is absolutely gross and pure vandalism! Basically, he tried to remove all the reasonable discussion and published references on the Hyksos from Kim Ryholt's book. He removed broad swathes of articles. Captmondo (Keith) and an Artene is trying to bring order to the article but this German? user's behaviour is just disruptive. He uses the same pattern with his anonymous sockpuppets. I wish there was a way an Admin could ban all anonymous users with a 75 or 76 starting user id. If not, the Hyksos article will fall into the pits like the Great Pyramids of Giza fame. I'm certain this behaviour would not occur of Citizendium. Fabian Leoboudv 00:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

A solution: can a Wikipedia Admin (if you are one) ban all Anonymous contributions to the Hyksos web page? This would ensure this disgusting guy must sign in and reveal himself instead of hiding in the shadows whenever he tries to cut out a published reference. Leoboudv 00:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Markh, do you know an Admin who can BAN any anonymous contributors from contributing to the Hyksos site. This guy is just brutal and illogical: he's implying now that Khyan was a European (ie: Armenian) name when this name is certainly Assyrian (an ancestor of Shamshi Adad I had the name Khyan!) and the Assyrians are a Semitic people. The Hyksos article may soon descend into an edit war: Thomas (Thanatosimi), Captmondo and I have tried to do something about the situation but you know who keeps reverting things. If no Admin intervenes, I predict the Hyksos page will be a gong show...nearly as bad as the Great Pyramids of Giza. Leoboudv 04:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added a semi-protect request, it should stop anonymous IP editting, for a time. If this is the same user again, then we need to try and get the IP addresses banned. I'm not sure how we actually do this. Markh 10:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I have also added a 3RR notice on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR 10:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
That IP address has been blocked for 24 hours. Markh 12:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Markh, There is a debate about whether my creation of the article Naharin--the Egyptian reference for the Mitanni state during the New Kingdom--should be deleted or kept? If you want, you can have a look...though you (and I) may not be totally familiar with all the issues involved. I just wanted the word Naharin as a reference to Mitanni, that's all and have no strong feelings on the issue. I discussed this with Thanatosimi (Thomas) on his talk page on anonymous Armenian IP here: [12] I agree with Thomas--Moosh88 is probably not our anonymous Armenian IPer who has caused so much disruption, since he has not reverted my last 8 hour old edit on Naharin on the Mitanni site, as I had suggested in my message to Thomas here: [13] Regards, Leoboudv 19:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanatimi's arguments that Naharin and Nairi are not part of the same land has my solid support: [14] Leoboudv 01:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added a keep, as we have an article for Hatti, separate from Hittites. Markh 11:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Request help with article Ancient Egypt

As you are listed as a member of Wikiproject:AncientEgypt, I'd like to recruit your help in reviewing the article Ancient Egypt. The article is listed as top priority in the Wikiproject and as a vital article by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, but appears to have failed to meet Good Article criteria at its last nomination. The article is in need of some serious attention.

In the past week, I asked for (and got) the article to be semi-protected to protect against the constant barrage of vandalism. This protection lasts for two weeks. I also did a little clean-up, added a map and so on. I would like to see everyone in Wikiproject:AncientEgypt have the chance to add their input to Ancient Egypt, and get the article up to featured status as soon as possible. I believe the article is at least 80% of the way there, and some focused attention will bring it the rest of the way.

The most pressing concerns seem to be the culture/architecture section, and the achievements/unsolved problems sections. Also, the entire article, especially the achievements section, the sources, and external links need to be seriously checked for accuracy. These sections also require a little organization too.

Ancient Egypt ought to be the top priority of Wikiproject:AncientEgypt, and I look forward to working with everyone to get this article cleaned up and hopefully promoted to featured status. Thanks for your help, Jeff Dahl 03:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Egypt Project Banner

I noticed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt/Project banner that it says:

"Note: only Top (priority) will have a visible effect on the template - the other options will just assign the correct category."

After comparing with some banners on other projects, it looks like a lot of them show the visible effect for all priority levels. I think it might be a good idea to do the same for the ancient Egypt project banner so that it's easier to see when browsing talk pages. Is this a possibility? Thanks Jeff Dahl 04:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I will have a look at changing the templat, do you have an example of what is needed ? Markh 11:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Template:Architecture is a good example. Thanks, Jeff Dahl 01:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I had a look at a few examples, and looks like each level is working. Thanks! Jeff Dahl 20:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Markh/Ancient Egypt Watchlist

Just a heads up, the page you created (Markh/Ancient Egypt Watchlist) isn't really suitable for the mainspace, but is fine on the Userspace. I assume this is actually what you meant to do (considering your username at the beginning), but without the User: at the beginning it's technically in the mainspace. I've moved it and nominated the new redirect for speedy deletion. Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 14:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this, my mistake. Markh 18:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dr.Hawass

Why i corrected an obvious mis quote left by an afrocentric and took a direct quote from the article itself and added it.Why do you have a problem with it but when someone had the wrong quote up there it was okay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikmik2953 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

you messed up the article and have then revert at least 3 reversions trying to correct your changes. Markh 21:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

okay i guess your an afrocentric and got mad because i put the proper quote and corrected the mis quote and i intend to include the more of the article it because adding more of the article would be insightful . ,when i stumbled upon it it said that tut was black and hawass said he agrees with afrocentrics,and i fixed it and put the proper quote of what the article really said.but yet how come you did not try to fix that misquote than try to tell me i messed it up left hmmmmm.but when i tried to add more from the article to edited out and got mad because you had to leave up the right quoute--Mikmik2953 14:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Not in anyway. Myself and another user reverted the edits to a last good version (which has the quote correctly). The changes you made messed up the page format, and whilst they appear to have been made in good faith, they appeared to be vandalism. I will take off the warning, but when you edit pages in future, try and not to mess up the formatting and then revert the pages when people try and fix the errors. You have changed the page again, diluting the statement of fact, which I have reverted to the original page [15]. Have a look at the Zahi Hawass page now, as this is how they page should look. There are 14 changes made that are totally unnecessary. Cheers. Markh 15:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

you are missing the point and not giving my just do credit for seeing vandalism trying to fix it maybe my editing was not good.But i put the direct quote from the the article and took out the part that someone who vandalised the page in the first place put in historians after afrocentrics first it does not say that in the articlcle and first takes away from the neutrality of the page let people click the afrocentrics link there and read that page and decide for themselves if afrocentrist are legitiment historians or not.i maybe new markh but im not stupid--Mikmik2953 17:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Please look at the article and see whether the changes that you made looked like vandalism, I appreciate that they were not done in malice, and were in good faith, but they messed up the formatting of the article. Continually reverting the changes does no good to anyone at all. Concentrate on improving the article, and nobody will have a problem. If you are new, then welcome, but you've now expended 10x the energy on this, rather than contributing to wikipedia. 18:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Egyptology

Hi, I was working on Portal:Egyptology and started wondering why this isn't portal:Ancient Egypt. I would like to move it and have no problem moving all the sub-pages, but would I have to change all of the "what links here" links? If so, I wonder whether we can get a bot to do it? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 04:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It started out as Portal:Ancient Egypt (there are still some of the original pages left), but concensus was (I can't remember why) was that it should be Portal:Egyptology. I think this was to avoid some of the pseudo-historical stuff that is associated with the term. I don't mind either way. I think we can just have redirects - it might work, but I'm not sure. Markh 07:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Since it looks like almost all the links to the portal are through {{Ancient Egypt}}, changing the template should fix the link names. I'll try it out, and see how it works. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 23:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I listed the portal at Requested moves, because portal:Ancient Egypt already has an edit history and a talk page so will need admin to help move, if we decide to. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 03:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: KV62 discussion moved

Just saw your note about the discussion moving to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Ancient Egyptian). In the end, was anything actually decided, or does the move to the naming conventions page mean that we have license to dictate terms, as long as we are still within the realms of Wikipedia policy?

Am happy to discuss things on that page. I can think of some other conventions that should probably be nailed down as well, such as using "pharaoh" over "king" or "Great Wife" (or variant) over "Queen" in the text of an article, pyramid namings, etc. Sound good? Captmondo (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, nothing was decided. The naming conventions articles is the place where we can set policy. The rename discussion ended with no consensus, but the discussion just continued, so I think we should set policy and then that would be the end of the arguments. King Vs. Pharoah, Queen Vs. Consort Vs. Great Wife are also things that need to be nailed down. Markh (talk) 22:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I just made a post regarding the issue of Yuya's tomb. This guy has a name which can be spelled in 12 different ways. Are we going to call his tomb the tomb of 12 names and Tjuyu? That is why the naming convention on his tomb should remain KV46. Wonder if Alensha has seen my post. You should tell her about the discussion shift. Cheers, Leoboudv (talk) 07:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me about the discussion. I'm not very good at debating, but added my opinion. With all these different spellings it would be very chaotic if we used anything but the official names.

BTW it's not really clear to me why the KV62 article is not among the top Google hits when one enters "tomb of Tutankhamun" into the search box... Could it be because there aren't many redirects from all the possible variants (e.g. "King Tut's tomb")? If we created redirects, would that help the Google ranking? – Alensha talk 13:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


I've also read your above discussion with Captmondo, and just wanted to add that it doesn't seem like a good idea to force "pharaoh" or "great wife" instead of "king" and "queen" all the time, since even scholarly books use those terms as synonyms, and with more words for the same thing we can avoid the overrepetition of some words. Though in some cases would be good to stick with one expression, e.g. I never know whether I should write "Great Royal Wife" or "King's Great Wife", in this case each book uses a different variant, but neither uses several of them, so we should be consistent too. – Alensha talk 13:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Only problem is that it we don't set a policy it seems that someone will come and set it for us! I would actually use king rather than pharaoh! Markh (talk) 16:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Moving Pharaoh of the Exodus stuff

Good idea, but I'm told that because of the GNU "it's ok to copy text as long as the source is accredited, which by wikipedia policy, is best done by a simple link in the edit summary. Now I'm not sure what exactly that means, but it has to do with the fact that for certain uses of Wikipedia text, you need the permision of the authors/editors, and if you don't put in that link there is no way of knowing who they are. So I've reverted the Pharaoh of the Exodus stuff -- probably should have put this on your talk page first. I didn't know this and still haven't found out how to do it.--Doug Weller (talk) 10:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You know, I think I give up! Markh (talk) 13:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Don't, I'll figure out how to do it, you are right that it needs doing but I am struggling to get this stuff right.--Doug Weller (talk) 13:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Slight over reaction! Never mind, does this mean that we have credit the authors everytime we move a section of an article? Markh (talk) 13:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
We have to put in some sort of link in the Edit Summary I think, I'm trying right now to find out what that is. This editing business is a bit harder and trickier than I thought it was at first (especially since when I edit one article, especially where someone disagrees, I find myself looking at other articles -- a lot of the history and archaeology stuff is not exactly very good. :-) --Doug Weller (talk) 14:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Can you find the actual policy that says this, so we can ask there - I need to move quite a lot of stuff from Ramesses, before it become a workable article. Cheers Markh (talk) 14:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I found this page [16], which seems to show us what to do. Markh (talk) 14:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. There is also this which may be relevant [17] -- ah, it's the same thing I think. Great minds obviously think alike. :-) --Doug Weller (talk) 14:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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Talk page archiving

It looks like the archiving on Talk:Ancient Egypt got messed up; the bot put the archives on page 5 rather than page 3. I'm not sure how the bot works, how to fix? Thanks, Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 01:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that - finger trouble. I have changed the links to point at page 5, as it is easier than trying to change the already archive pages. Markh (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

You tube external link

Just asking why have you removed an external link to a YouTube video about Ramesses the Great. Egyptzo (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It is an entirely pointless link of dubious legal status - it's clearly ripped off from a documentary. Markh (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Kadesh

Hi there, only to tell you that we might start an "election" of the best battle section, it will be "my" version against "Egyptzo's" version. You might want to see which one is better and vote. Super Knuckles (talk) 00:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Add map for Sais

Dear Markh, I notice you added the location coordinates and the map for Saqqara 2 years ago: [18] Can you do the same for Sais? The coordinates are given in the Sais article but no map appears. Regards, Fabian Leoboudv (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

PS: If you wish, you can replace the cheap and old photo of Khasekhemwy to this one from egyptarchive which you know is copyright free: [19] Here was another photo from Egypt archive with a fabulous photo of Amenhotep III--[20] Luckily, someone already downloaded that photo to Wikicommons for that king's article. Leoboudv (talk) 10:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the map of Sais Markh/Marco. As for Khasekhemwy, you can download the picture of Khasekhemwy from Jon Bodsworth's egyptarchive.co.uk page as I noted. The current photo for Khasekhemwy is really cheap and black and white. I have already used one of his pictures which was on Wikicommons for the pyramid of Neferirkare Kakai and I E-mailed him about it. (as he requested here): [21] Jon replied saying "Thanks for letting me know. It's always good to know that my photos are useful." Have you seen Jon's Egypt archive collection of photos from the Cairo Museum's hidden secrets: [22] There are many wonderful picture here including some jewels from Tutankhamun's tomb that can be placed on Wikicommons. Sadly I have no experience downloading pictures here. Today, its very hard to get any pictures at the Cairo Museum since cameras have been banned there since 2006. They were slowing down the flow of traffic through the museum. Leoboudv (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I have a picture of Khasekhemwy I took in 2004 in Cairo, but it has reflections, etc on it, so it isn't clear enough to go here. I'll see what I can do with the http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk pictures. Markh (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks Markh/Marco. Egyptarchive is a virtual treasure trove of free images. Fabian Leoboudv (talk) 00:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
That was fine except the image was speedily deleted! Markh (talk) 20:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Markh, Can you please tell me how you added the new image of Khasekhemwy? The one with the green copyright free license? I mean...what did you type to generate the green copyrigt free tag. Isn't it placed under licensing? I complained to the person who deleted your first image and he said the image of Khasekhemwy was fine...except that it was downloaded with the wrong license:[23] That's why it was deleted! The deleter also gave one clear fair use justification for it. Secondly, did you download the egyptarchive image as a GNU or GDFL file? I have an account at Wikicommons but have never uploaded a file before. I tried today to download an image and it asked me all these licensing questions which is just confusing. Its all Greek to me because I'm an amateur here. Can you help make a response please..??

Egyptarchive is definitely a good source of photos but the license has to be right. In the first image of Khasekhemwy you downloaded which was deleted, I notice the license said it was educational purposes only. Then I saw the sppedy delete tag on it. I bolded the copyright free note but still it was deleted because the licensing was wrong. Fabian from Canada Leoboudv (talk) 21:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I uploaded the image as the image of Khasekhemwy that was linked to the article was awful! It is from a copyright free collection, and I think I just gave it the wrong licence. I looked in commons, and there was already a decent image of the statue, and so I have linked this to the article, I don't mind that the image was deleted, and am happy that the article is now 'better'. Markh (talk) 21:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm waiting for a message from Jeff Dahl about the right CF tag. He's knows everything--all the right license tags to download. He must have downloaded hundreds of pictures already. He is just amazing. Leoboudv (talk) 00:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

  • That first image of Khasekhemwy has popped up again. Perhaps you gave it the right 'public domain' license tag. I linked it to Khasekhemwy's article but don't know if it should be in the Pharaohinfobox instead since it is an actual statue, not a statuette. What do you think? Leoboudv (talk) 02:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I found out what happened with the first photo. Someone (Stifle) gave it the {{PD-release}} public domain tag: [24] Leoboudv (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Nbtah

There is an AfD discussion on Nbtah. I have never heard of this city which was supposedly Egypt's political capital in the TIPE era, so I voted to delete here. I am certain it is a mistake or someone's original theory. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 01:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Tomb of Meryra

A sentence in this article

Had it been completed, it would have been the largest of the noble's tombs.

This seems to be somewhat speculative. Also try to use some references in this article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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