User talk:Mercer.philosophy

Socrates as author of the Divided Line

Hi Mercer,

Most, but not all of your changes to the [Analogy of the Divided Line] considerably degrade the contents. In particular, 1) English Wikipedia uses English titles, i.e. Timaeus, not the Greek title. 2) Your changing of 'Plato' to 'Socrates' is very wrong in the context of the article. The name of the puppet character is quite irrelevant when it comes to Plato's epistemology of the Republic.

Will you please reverse all your latest changes, with the exception of the Upper-lower case for the titles, which is great. BlueMist (talk) 23:02, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your compliments on our efforts. Yes, this is English Wikipedia and the title 'Timaeus' should, I agree, be in English. Revision has been made.

We feel the assertion that Socrates is a 'puppet character' to be too strong. Socrates was the master of Plato and Plato has written his dialogues as if it were Socrates who was the philosopher. We thought that since there is no solid evidence to the contrary, we should be charitable to Plato and assume that he strove to be as true to Socrates' teachings as was possible. Thus, while we of course must affirm that Plato is the author of the dialogues themselves, we think Socrates should be cited as the father of the philosophies at hand.

Mercer.philosophy (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Who is this "we" who decides to credit the philosophy of the greatest philosopher in history to his primary literary character?

I see no evidence that you are familiar with the prevailing secondary literature, according to which, only the 'Socratic' dialogues mirror the views of the historical philosopher Socrates.

The 'middle' and 'late' dialogues are deemed as Plato's original philosophy, with the literary character Socrates as the primary protagonist. The Republic belongs to the middle group.

Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence or reference that supports your personal, unorthodox views?

I am transferring this conversation to talk:Analogy of the Divided Line for public comments. BlueMist (talk) 00:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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