User talk:Messwemade
Welcome!
Japanther again[edit]
The Japanther article is on AfD again. I'm hoping you're still around and interested in weighing in over here. Thanks. --Howrealisreal 13:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your vote, and also dropping me that little note. I agree with you (and corrected my comment on the AfD page): Japather's cult following spans beyond NYC, further solidifying the argument that they are notable and belong in Wikipedia. --Howrealisreal 18:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your support BTW. See you around. --Howrealisreal 13:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- SoCal!, whats wrong with that? Yeah as a chicago dude in the scene since like 93/94, you know i missed seeing Slugdeworth live and actually my friend Emily invited me to go to one of the last Screeching Weasel shows (around that time when they had another break-up) but i missed it. I think my first show was like the Mushuganas, Walker, and Alligator Gun or something at the Elmhurst VFW, but seeing the Methadones live is like being able to go back to the fabled McGregors. I'm totally digging Teenage Bottlerocket too its cool yeah Im also a fan of The Unlovables. Mexican Cheerleader is ex Oblivion (band), it's kinda an aquired taste but I freakin love them. Its just this inane rock thats just too strange like if wierd al was more bulky and thick, you know, more muscular, Pete, the singer is so funny. Link [1] As for the hip hop, im definitely have very little expertise in that area, but I think its really important to contrast "punk" with "hip hop." I can get into that later, but part of it is that those two forms are really the most powerful active forces in western music culture today. which one has more weight is debatable but they provide from some great comparisons and contrasts. We can learn alot. Other than the pop rap stuff everyone knows i do pay attention to local stuff. i do tend to be biased toward underground alternative hop hop. Faction of the Fox is awesome punk-hip hop fusion [2], also makes me laugh, but i can rock to it too. Kevin Coval is a really good poet, he destroys mel gibson here, [3], MC Juice is a local i think, he beat Eminem in a 1997 freestyle competition [4]. Im also partial to the hip hop label Gravel Records cause i got some friends over there [5]. Also Typical Cats are just straight up the shit [6], actually they are now based out of Escondido, Cali. Flip that on and just sit back and enjoy the ride, I grew up with one of those guys. Also from Iowa there's a group called Bad Fathers which rips some as well, less political, more party, [7]. Yeah white bread corn-eater with mohawks spitting rhymes! Speaking of Iowa (i lived there from '97-'03 going to college), i got to recommend William Elliott Whitmore, which is straight up tom waits/johnny cash, but this guy is for real. He lived the life. He grew up on a farm he worked the farm. He is conjoined with the iowa soil. he also records great music. albums on southern records, and possibly anti- soon??? And finally, I have to drop Winepress to a fellow friend in pop punk. They were the band. We're talking 2 7"s, a split, a comp, a break-up, and years later a discography CD, the song "Disappointed" sums it all up but the other songs are great too. Its like Weezer sorta lookin kids, who were average age of like 15, playing this awesome punk nerd power pop snot-rock. Listen to "revenge of the nerds." Link to Winepress here [8]. Keep in mind this is chicago suburbs '91-'95. !!!! Xsxex 20:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- The Unloveables rule too. I agree. :) I'll for sure check Mexican Cheerleader out! I like hip hop a lot! Only about 1% of what I listen to is considered mainstream though. The rest is whatever underground MP3s strike my fancy. I'll check all of those hip hop links later as well (myspace is blocked here at work, so I spend my day working and wikipedia-ing). That way I can log in an check out all the pics and whatever too. Thank you sir!Messwemade 22:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Totally, yeah i sent alot so you'll be busy. Yeah i got to check out those interviews, that would be awesome, if you want I could post them/or future interview on my website, or do some sort of collaboration of some kind. Teenage Bottlerockets! yeah!. So many bands its awesome. im diggin'. Razorcake is LA/CA, cool. Man, i haven;t really spent much time in that area, whats it like. i dont remember much, bad traffic and just regular tourist traps like Disneyland and mgm or whatevr, you know when i was like 11 with my family. not like it was that bad or anything. Xsxex 22:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- cool thanks for the info about the Razorcakes.. yeah I'll be checkin on them. In recnet news about pop punk I've found some really interesting things. Theres a New York Times article from 1977 which calls Tom Petty "pop punk rock".. and there's a review in MRR#20 dec. 1984 which calls a chicago are band "Bloodsport" pop-punk in the vein of TSOL and Social Distortion. I'm gonna be putting these and other references in a central location somewhere. Just for reference and further discussion. Also .. I'm trying to rally some support for this article Theta Beta Potata, I've got it in a Deletion Review right now, so maybe you can take a look at it. Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 August 23. Thanks. Xsxex 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- no im serious... i'll send you a scan of the article.. its just a blurb, really. but its there. March 9th 1977 in the New York Times. Yeah I started with the Times and I'm gonna make my way through a bunch of newspapers and periodicals. The title of the article was "Cabaret: Tom Petty's Pop Punk Rock Evokes Sounds of 60's".. yeah I was pretty surprised myself. Oh ! thanks for the support on the TBP article. we'll see what happens. Xsxex 20:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- hey MessWeMade, Its been like 7 years or so! How have you been? I'm still working on pop punk, how about you? Xsxex (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Because of your input on previous music AfDs, I was hoping you would take a look at this article and provide your thoughts on whether or not it meets WP:MUSIC its latest AfD. PT (s-s-s-s) 00:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
F.Y.P[edit]
So cite the magazine. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 18:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Guide to referencing[edit]
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings to display the date in the format the user wishes.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
More information can be found at:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. |
Re:Fly (artist)[edit]
This is to let you know I've read your message. I'm afraid I have to delay the response, for I haven't got time to properly review/look into the case (bit busy & have a little backlog on talk). My apologies. In the mean time, I could userfy the deleted article so you may improve it on your user space and we'll check it later, (if you're interested?). Best regards, - PeaceNT (talk) 19:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- oops, it has taken me too long to review the issue with this article. :( Please accept my apologies again. I moved Fly (artist) to my userspace sandbox long ago when I planned to improve it bit by bit, but then I totally forgot that I still owed you a reply. Sorry. I've fixed the page, added some more references and did some rewriting since the article wasn't very well in line with WP:NPOV. I also removed some materials for which I couldn't find any sources (and I've been searching for quite some time) The article seems to sufficiently address the issues raised at AfD now so I've just moved it back to the mainspace. Please take a look and see if you think there is anything needs fixing. Sorry I know it must be ludicrous to you that I needed 4 months to fix such a little page. Regards, --PeaceNT (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)