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Starship: I'm accused of vandalism?
Hello, You said you restored this article due to "vandalism" apparently by me because I made a lot of edits. What is the evidence of the vandalism?I am contributing current and accurate information, so I'm puzzled. Also, I restored it back, and then read I should have discussed it with you first. I am sorry about that, but I'm new at this. Also, I apologize if this is redundant because I posted it on the article page, too. There are so many different areas of Wiki that it is a bit of a maze especially to a newer user like myself. I hope to gain some experience on doing this correctly so you're input would be appreciated. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 20:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton
- Cheryl, I don't have much time to provide evidences of vandalism due to my time constraints, but I'll give you inputs; You're not keeping the article encyclopedic and neutral. You are pushing the Chaquico/Kantner-purist side of the Jefferson Starship/Starship further. We don't need that kind of it here. Besides, this isn't a Jefferson Airplane-Starship-Starship fan website. Vandalism isn't just "bad commentaries" or "deleting the entire article", it comes in all shape and size.
"Jefferson Starship is the name currently being used by a band line-up that was in place at the time of founder, Paul Kantner’s passing". To prioritize a popular 1970s band's ongoing lawsuit since the 1980s is just rather opinionated. It's like more like bringing up a fact in the lead paragraph, which is unnecessary for a well written article about the band and it's history unless you're writing a separate article about the lawsuit concerning Kantner and whoever-it-may-be. Just because Paul Kantner passed away doesn't mean it should be written like that. For example, the last remaining original founder and one of the owners of the band name Yes, Chris Squire passed away in June 2015, yet I don't see others reverting to that style you use in the Jefferson Starship article. A band's article should focus on their balanced history, not highly on the name issue. Your recent edits have shown the opposite of it. Again, as I wrote, I don't have too much time to look for the evidences due to my tight schedule, so it's up to you to decide what went wrong.
You removed the reference citations on the article "Starship". You should be careful when you rewrite the article. References are crucial and should not be carelessly misused. You are also glorifying their achievement in the lead paragraph of Starship's article. Their achievements should be discussed in another separate passage of the article. Several article writers of The Beatles have never done this and wrote "The Beatles were the No. 1 all time best selling band with 11 Grammy awards".
You're formatting the article improperly.
Jefferson Starship is alive and well despite the lawsuit (it hasn't been updated since April, I don't know why).If you're going to bring up Chaquico-Barbata-Sears, they're not considered THE Jefferson Starship, but they're in a similar case of what Anderson Wakeman and Rabin would be at Wish I could write more, but I gotta go Misterpither (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Cheryl, I don't have much time to provide evidences of vandalism due to my time constraints, but I'll give you inputs; You're not keeping the article encyclopedic and neutral. You are pushing the Chaquico/Kantner-purist side of the Jefferson Starship/Starship further. We don't need that kind of it here. Besides, this isn't a Jefferson Airplane-Starship-Starship fan website. Vandalism isn't just "bad commentaries" or "deleting the entire article", it comes in all shape and size.
"Jefferson Starship is the name currently being used by a band line-up that was in place at the time of founder, Paul Kantner’s passing". To prioritize a popular 1970s band's ongoing lawsuit since the 1980s is just rather opinionated. It's like more like bringing up a fact in the lead paragraph, which is unnecessary for a well written article about the band and it's history unless you're writing a separate article about the lawsuit concerning Kantner and whoever-it-may-be. Just because Paul Kantner passed away doesn't mean it should be written like that. For example, the last remaining original founder and one of the owners of the band name Yes, Chris Squire passed away in June 2015, yet I don't see others reverting to that style you use in the Jefferson Starship article. A band's article should focus on their balanced history, not highly on the name issue. Your recent edits have shown the opposite of it. Again, as I wrote, I don't have too much time to look for the evidences due to my tight schedule, so it's up to you to decide what went wrong.
You removed the reference citations on the article "Starship". You should be careful when you rewrite the article. References are crucial and should not be carelessly misused. You are also glorifying their achievement in the lead paragraph of Starship's article. Their achievements should be discussed in another separate passage of the article. Several article writers of The Beatles have never done this and wrote "The Beatles were the No. 1 all time best selling band with 11 Grammy awards".
You're formatting the article improperly.
Jefferson Starship is alive and well despite the lawsuit (it hasn't been updated since April, I don't know why).If you're going to bring up Chaquico-Barbata-Sears, they're not considered THE Jefferson Starship, but they're in a similar case of what Anderson Wakeman and Rabin would be at Wish I could write more, but I gotta go Misterpither (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Misterpither, Originally, the JS article was heavily Paul Kantner and Airplane heavy. The entire beginning of the article was titled “Origins” and it was filled with unsourced material (needing citations) about the history of Jefferson Airplane and Paul Kantner’s solo career and his daughter being born, etc… This article is supposed to be about Jefferson Starship and the history of THAT BAND and not Airplane and Kantner or even Slick. I am attempting to correct that error by focusing on the details of JS, which is a band that started in 1974, two years after Airplane broke up. Airplane has its own article.
As for adding more correct details about Craig Chaquico in the article, I also found that what had been there originally was either incorrect or inadequate as far as his history with the band. I believe I also made an addition or change or two to what was up there about Pete Sears and Johny Barbata because whomever had written the article previously had left weakened their influence in the band as well. In other words, it was extremely unbalanced toward Kantner and Slick’s past history and Airplane as opposed to the band, Jefferson Starship. I am attempting to balance it correctly by my edits.
I don’t think there has been any new public information with regards to the 2017 lawsuit to add to the article as of yet.Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 23:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton
Starship Page
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I'm wondering if it might make more sense to have separate pages for "Starship" and "Starship with Mickey Thomas"? They were two entirely different bands with different personnel. Does that make any sense to you? Most bands do go through many different personnel, but there were only 3 core members of "Starship" when they were performing, Brett Bloomfield, Mark Morgan, and Kenny Stavropoulus. i'm considering those edits to what stands now, as well, as removing the last paragraph which is really about a different band, "Starship featuring Mickey Thomas". Also, if the Mickey Thomas version of the band is deleted, The entry of Loveless Fascination should be deleted from the discography if I delete. The 2013 version of the band is not legally "Starship" it is simply short-hand for "Starship with Mickey Thomas". What say you? How difficult would making two different pages be? Looking forward to your reply. Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton
- Unless there's at least several reliable sources that indicates that "Starship" and "Starship with Mickey Thomas" are both different bands without any blurs between them (I doubt they would be, since a Rolling Stone article indicates that these are the same), Starship featuring Mickey Thomas must have at least one of their notability criterias checked if you seriously want to make a separate article of it; but in my opinion, they're no different to me. Personally I would want to make a redirect page of it, if I was being in an uncertain state about whether they're separate or not, and draft it in the sandbox at a later time. Misterpither (talk) 14:18, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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