User talk:NeoChaosX/Archive 2

About those Titles

Sorry; I can't write in Japanese so I can't format the intro titles correctly. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 03:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that's no problem. I'm just adding the Nihongo template to the page and the Japanese characters are already in the infobox for the character anyway. Thanks for moving the articles, though. --NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 03:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheetah Girls 3 AfD

It seems like he/she is a kid honestly, and I think the admins need to set him/her straight. Wildthing61476 04:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Who? Go ahead and delete the pic. That's fine. I got it from like google or something so its not like it matters.Jtervin 07:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Ice Hockey Coaches Table

Hey NeoChaosX, I am currently using your format to make a head coach table for the Detroit Red Wings and had a few questions. First how do you calculate win percentage with OTL added in? And second, I may have a problem with spacing and not sure why. Please feel free to take a look a my profile page and see if you can figure out what the problem is. I'm waiting to transfer it over till it's complete. Nice work on the Bruins table! Thanks --Schmackity 16:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm sorry for any harm or emotional pain I have caused you.

--Jeyler 01:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)jeyler

Would It Be Legit...

If I added in the article that developers have yet to offer the Original Voice Cast, but there a fan petition has been started? Afterwards could a link be added?Zeketheo 22:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia is not a place to promote web petitions. –NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 22:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I've seen links to other petitions when it had to do with fans wanting a DVD release for a cartoon. If I make an actual contributation to the page will it work out?Zeketheo 23:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Typically, those links are removed by other editors. Making a mention of the petition on, say, List of Naruto video games, would be acceptable, but linking to the petition is a no-no. –NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 23:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Not even as a sourse and not a link?Zeketheo 14:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents

I saw you appealed a case on WP:ANI and the response was... skeptical, to say the least. Your case was completely legitimate, and the response was utterly unsatisfactory and unfair. I'm sorry the adminstrators refused to help you. In the future, if the user in question attempts to edit war and someone raises concerns about WP:3RR, please feel free to contact me and I'll help in any way I can. Respectfully, Republitarian 02:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. I'll remember to do that if it comes up again. –NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 02:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Re Marion Cohen AfD

As the closing admin on the recent Marion Cohen AfD I thought I'd notify you that the page appears to have been recreated. I'm pretty new to the AfD procedure and am not sure what the protocol is. Espresso Addict 00:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I've created a new AfD. Espresso Addict 03:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Teh Fictionz

Because I'm not really sure how to go abouts putting an article up for deletion, and because you seem to be fairly adept at getting rid of rogue Naruto articles, I thought I'd bring Hantamaru Ririku to your attention. It seems to fall under the same category as Yamora Kizamazu, yet is ever so slightly more believable (or maybe it's less; I lost interest in the article after it mentioned she lost her virginity at age 7). So, yeah, do with it what you will. Snapper2 04:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

First sentence says it's a a fanfic character, so there we go. –NeoChaosX [talk | contribs] 04:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Game Junkie

Yes we are all new people there for that entry. We are all different people with different IP addresses. In this entry's case it was found not 2 days ago and yes it was a sad entry but we spurced it up some and provided legit citations to prove its notability. I think we deserve a chance Sobrider 07:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The Cheetah Girls Series

I didn't mean to erase that thing. I forgot to add it when I went to re-edit the erase that some one did. Please don't be mad at me.--Dil 00:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which I think this guy, User:Shrek976, is blanking pages like the one I re-edited.--Dil 00:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Los Angeles Kings

I don't, just random wandering. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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Wikicrap

Hello! I deleted those messages as I had read them, I thought it was an inbox of mine! This place is ridiculous, is there no leway for someone who is new and wishes to contribute? Being shot down as soon as your head is over the paraphet is fairly demoralising, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesr84 (talk • contribs)

Re: adding links

Regarding your message to not add links to Wikipedia, and your apparent deletion of the links I added.

I don't consider the links I added to be spam. I think they are legitimate links to pages that are directly relevant to the articles they were associated with. Those subjects contained links to other external sites, and the links I added seemed just as relevant.

If links are not allowed, then it should be either no links at all, or there should be clear guidelines on which links are OK and which are not.

Please explain why you decided to delete my links and not the others that were on those articles.

Re: adding links

(moving this conversation to my user account)

I understand about the link to Naruto Jutsus -- that was a copy-and-paste typo. The page I was trying to link to was on naruto2.com here.

How is the largest or best fan site for a given series decided? For DragonBall, I would suggest the largest and best site is myfavoritegames.com (MFG). Here are some keyword rankings for MFG according to Google:

dragonball -- #3 (right after the official site
dragon ball -- #11
dragonball z -- #7
dragonball gt -- #3
dragon ball gt -- #2

pages in the Google index (site:URL) -- 243,000
Image gallery size -- 190,153

excuse me? what is this in reference to

My talk page

I think my page looks kind of messy. I've seen some people keep theirs neat.--201 04:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

San Jose Sharks (adding and removing links)

Why is one fan site allowed but others are not? How is it considered spam to add completely relevant links?

I was trying to add chompboard.com which has 0 ads and is not a profit site and is 100% related

Its specifically for discussing the San Jose Sharks

I also saw that rockthetank.com was deleted

Why is thefeeder.com (a fan site) allowed but these two (also fan sites) are not?

I could understand if only official sites were allowed to be listed, but picking and choosing among fan sites doesnt make any sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.240.230 (talk • contribs)

For fansites, it's usually recommended that one major one be linked to, according to Wikipedia's policy on external links. I would recommend asking in Talk:San Jose Sharks if you've got more questions, though. NeoChaosX [talk | contribs] 22:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Concerning Ranma 1/2 articles.

Fine, you are correct and I stand ashamed. The fanfiction section on those articles was not encyclopedic according to the wikirules you pointed me at. Still, I believe I'll have to explain my behavior to you: even if I was wrong, my reason to keep the fanfiction section there was to stop, or at least prevent, editing wars by fanatics (not fans) of the series. You know, some Ranma fanatics are quite... obsessive and the fanfiction section seemed to keep them calm about it. If you don't believe me, go check the full history on the Pantyhose Taro page and you'll see what I mean, the article is still a mess and so is its template, I even marked it for cleanup.

Anyway, some of the information in the fanfiction section might have been relevant enough to keep in the form of a small note on the trivia section. Did you check that, by chance? Or are you one of those wikipedians who just deletes stuff they deem as cruft without going through it at least once to see if there's something that could be useful to the article?

Look, I saw your comments on the wikiproject anime and manga talk page and you don't seem to know much about the series. So, if you don't know about Ranma 1/2 that much, would you be hell bent on stopping me (or others) from checking if something in the fanfiction sections you deleted could be useful or relevant enough to keep in the article as trivia? After all, if I did that and you still consider it cruft, you can always delete it again, right?148.202.98.195 01:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean turning all of the fanfiction sections into trivia NeoChaosX, allow me to clear it up. What I meant was that there might be information there that has official sources which could be added as trivia.

For example, I believe that in the fanfiction section of the Nabiki Tendo article there was a mention of a manga episode where Rumiko Takahashi spoofed the notion of Nabiki being in a relationship with Kuno Tatewaki. I'm not sure if it could be trivia, but it is information that came from the manga.

By the way, since you're already checking the Ranma articles for cruft, why don’t you check the ‘places’ (Furinkan, Jusenkyo and Ryugenzawa) articles? They're full of fancrutf and I don't really have the time to clean them up right now, also, I believe Ryugenzawa is not really needed (story-wise Joketsuzoku is more important) Should I mark it for deletion? 148.202.98.195 19:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I remembered you're the one who removed the fanfiction section from the Ranma articles, so I guess asking for your help could be a good idea; basically, there's this anon 129.133.140.172 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who has been adding fancruft to every article he can and lately, he has been modifying the Ranma navigation template (this is where he's currently causing more trouble) almost everyday to suit his own opinion instead of what would go with what is shown in the manga and anime and, according to his talk page, he was also causing trouble for the guys who run the Urusei Yatsura pages. What are your suggestions? Protecting the template (which I have yet to figure out how to do properly) or blocking the anon?

I've tried to contact this anon, I've left messages on the history of the pages inviting him to talk here Template talk:Ranma navigation but he just ignores me and other registered users as well; I don't really know what else to do.

Please contact me to further discuss this situation; thank you.Facer 19:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply; any help is welcome, please be sure to check by the Template talk:Ranma navigation to see what this is all about. Facer 00:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I never really thanked you for trying to help with the anon; I really appreciate it. It was, however, useless, this anon apparently believes he owns every page made for Ranma 1/2 in Wikipedia. I really don't care much anymore, I'm busy with my new job and I don't have the time to revert or check every edit he makes, at least he seems to be keeping the articles somewhat "neutral" if a little bit heavy on the fan-based statements. I'll try to check the pages early next year once the anon is satisfied (at least I hope he is by then), but whatever, I just don't have enough free time for this anymore.

Anyway, thanks for trying.Facer 01:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Brad Hines Vote

Neo,

Could you remove your "delete" vote on "Brad Hines" entry as the criteria you sited has since been fixed?

kindly,

UtzChips--Utzchips 02:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

An award for you!

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		You revert vandalism, contribute to articles, are nice in discussions, and you are a true Wikipedian!Kyo cat(T) • (@) • (C) 00:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

You seriously deserve this! YOu can put this on your user page if you want. I don't want to make changes on your pages without your consent. Kyo cat^{(T) • (@) • (C)} 00:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, thank you. I appreciate the gesture. Even with all the stress some articles cause me, I'm happy to do work like this. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 00:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

KDE - cutting external links

Hi - did you remove almost all external links on purpose? [1]

I am all for cutting the number of external links, but your step seems to be a bit too drastic ;-)

best regards -- mkrohn 18:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

what translation are you watching?

I saw Naruto called Jason once before. It was a troll/fakesub posted to Dattebayo. [DB] Naruto 001, if I recall correctly. It had Cartoon Network logos drawn in the bottom-right. I believe it was some sort of parody on how badly some of the official translations are compared to their own work. I doubt Naruto0pwnz could be so stupid as to believe it. Likely he posted it as some sort of joke. –Gunslinger47 23:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for letting me know. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 00:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rory Fitzpatrick

Thanks, shoulda known better. The campaign was started by a radio station in Vancouver, but I can't find verifciation. If it shows up in a newspaper, I'll redo the information.

It actually was started at a message board, link Hockey's Future and has gotten some small mentions on Vancouver, Victoria and Edmonton based radio. No print sources yet. Kaiser matias 10:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yugito

can we at least agree on a comprimise then? I won't put in that last statement if you don't. My only point being, you don't know for sure that she is "undoubtedly" dead. resurrections happen. Gaara is a good example of that. And I personally just don't think you're last sentance is neccessary. Neither of our statements are. so please? just drop the last sentance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.64.107 (talk • contribs)

Fine. I removed the last sentence, since we're not certain about her death. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 04:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Skulltag AfD

Your suggested deletion of the article has created a bit of a splash over at the Skulltag forum. http://www.skulltag.com/forum/impse.php?p=62598#62598 If you see anybody vandalizing or being jerks to you, it's most likely some fanboys from Skulltag. I play Skulltag myself, but I have nothing to do with the recent vandalism to the page. It's just a heads up. --Kurotsyn 00:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard#Skulltag AfD|already aware of what they're up to. Thanks for the heads up, though. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 00:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's gone. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 08:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for letting me know. And a thanks to you and Crustacean for helping deal with that anonymous user as well, even if it was a futile effort. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 08:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

NHL team season articles

I've started a new project to create an article for each individual season for the Flames (and by extension, every NHL team). My concept article is at 2005-06 Calgary Flames season. Any suggestions you have for the layout, and how to improve it are appreciated. Please add them to that article's talk page. Thanks! Resolute 23:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Vote struck out.

Just notifying you that I struck out your vote here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naruto: Narutimate Accel. The advertisement has been confirmed by multiple sources, and we have an official webpage now. You didn't mention anything but sketchy sources in your justification. If you still think it's should be deleted, feel free to unstrike it. –Gunslinger47 02:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your message.

I was only correcting Hoshigakis Kisames profile, Which states misleading information that NEEDS to be clarifyied. Raiga is filler he does not exist in the true story of Naruto (the manga). That needs to be pointed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apackof12ninjas (talk • contribs)

EDIT: very well Ill stop editing it for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apackof12ninjas (talk • contribs)

are u a bot?

u seem to be a bot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.155.14 (talk • contribs)

What makes you say that? NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 02:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:King Shadzar

Well, when we block users, there's an option that says "prevent account creation". Apparently, he's bypassing this, so I'm speculating he has a dynamic IP address. Nishkid64 21:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

List of characters in the Super Smash Bros. series

No longer redundant. See here. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Might guy

why did you delete my info about might guy? its true. i went to japan and kishimoto was on the pot. i told him to give me all the info about naruto and used the toilet paper as a ransom. one of the things he told me was that after watching dragonball gt he was thinking of what a super saiyan 5 would look like, and came up with the idea of guy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mooseguy (talk • contribs) 21:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

So, it wasn't nonsense, but rather your own original research? I'm afraid that's not much better. –Gunslinger47 00:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

As much as I find that story funny, Gunslinger nailed it. It's original research (a HUGE no-no on Wikipedia) if true. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

"Last warning", wasn't it? He replaced the SSJ5 OR/nonsense again. [2] –Gunslinger47 21:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Think so. The problem is however, reporting him to AIV wouldn't work since he's not persistent enough to revert us back. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you might be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mooseguy. All AIV attempts have failed. Chovain and I have been gathering evidence on this users conduct. He has repeatededly done innappropriate vandalism to my page and also there is reference to his Might Guy vandalism. You may want to participate in this request for comment. I have grown stressed because of this user. Thank you for your time. --Tohru Honda13^{Sign here!} 04:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Mooseguy has been block for 2 days for violating WP:3RR. Does this affect the request for comment? Should we continue this on the Request for comment's discussion? Chovain has started this topic on that discussion page. Thanks! --Tohru Honda13^{Sign here!} 01:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

What are we gonna do with the request for comment? It's been there for ages. Oh ya, I added one more evidence of disputed behavior, he vandalized California. Thought it might go there. So, what are we gonna do? --Tohru Honda13^{Sign here!} 20:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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1 2 wow.... Clyde (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No I think the changes make the series article the quality an encyclopedia expects. You might want to stick some refs on the list of games article or it might be put in an AFD.--Clyde (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Remember to add closed AfDs to the archive

Hi! Thanks for helping out by cleaning up the nominated for deletion list on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. However, it would be nice if you could add the removed nominations in the deletion archive as well! I've already added the removed ones there this time, so don't worry. :) – Elisson • T • C • 22:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Browns vs. Steelers

I'm trying to make so many articles so it's easier for people to search for this great rivalry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by French Bodybuilder (talk • contribs) 20:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

thehill88

i was in the progress of adding thehill88 page.

vandalized afd

Thanks for your help fixing that. I think that editor and I are becoming best friends forever. How exciting! — coelacan talk — 06:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. POV-pushers-in-denial disgust me, so I'm happy to help deal with these users when the opportunity presents itself. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 06:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The arrogance in Wikipedia is astounding. My opponents are clearly POV pushers. Do they disgust you as well? Amazing. Don't worry. I'll leave you to yourselves at some point. Nkras 07:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

He didn't complain at other voters' pages, so he must have followed my edit trail. Sorry about that. — coelacan talk — 07:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that's no problem. I'd imagine this kind of thing would happen if I got involved. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 07:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Browns vs. Steelers

How can I make my other articles redirect to only one of them? If it is possible, can you do it for me or just tell me how to do it please, I'll appreciate it, I'm new at this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by French Bodybuilder (talk • contribs) 04:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

Associated Students of the University of Arizona

Thanks! --Gpohara 00:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

British Bulldogge

I don't know how to do all of this... it is a bit overwhelming and there seems to be some kind of club mentality amongst the editors -- a high brow attitude about this -- like this is something to be handled so cavalier...

The breeder is one of the founders of this breed of dog... you are allowing Olde English Bulldogges which is the name invented by David Leavitt who was a co-breeder with Tim Kelly... and now the breeders have broken gain into Leavitt Bulldogs and British Bulldogges -- these are the inner working of the breeders at the center of this movement... the circle of breeders includes Tim Kelly who is the founder of the Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club which you allow on wikipedia. He has indeed founded a new club the BBKC... I am not trying to spam about the club, while I am a member -- these are rare breed dogs that deserve a small corner of the universe to tell their story... and I simply want to put them on the pages where they belong... the breeding program that started in the 70's has progressed and the different strains are now established and the circles are evolving and the story should be able to be told.

you allow this one....

Main article: Wilkinson Bulldog

Lolly Wilkinson of Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada, has been breeding a strain of Bulldog referred to as the Wilkinson Bulldog, for many years that is similar to the Old English Bulldog. Due to the small number of bulldogs and the potential for inbreeding it is of questionable quality; however, the Wilkinsons claim that it is a healthy breed and suffers few genetic diseases. In addition, the breed is not recognized by any major kennels. Whether this breed will gain worldwide popularity and more people accept that this is the real Bulldog, remains to be seen. while Tim Kelly is well known in the breed circles and Lolly is what is considered a starter... Tim is part of the foundation of the breed that Lolly is working with... David Leavitt has all but left the breed behind in the hands of the OEBKC which was founded by Tim and now his movement into to family dog aspect of the breed is complete

your editors don't know anything about this rare breed, but the breeders sure do and I am a starting breeder and enthusiast who is attempting to document the story, it is a true underground story that needs the chance to be recorded here!...

so I may not be the best writer in the world... but help me edit it rather than throw it away!

I don't know how to do all of this... it is a bit overwhelming and there seems to be some kind of club mentality amongst the editors -- a high brow attitude about this -- like this is something to be handled so cavalier...

The breeder is one of the founders of this breed of dog... you are allowing Olde English Bulldogges which is the name invented by David Leavitt who was a co-breeder with Tim Kelly... and now the breeders have broken gain into Leavitt Bulldogs and British Bulldogges -- these are the inner working of the breeders at the center of this movement... the circle of breeders includes Tim Kelly who is the founder of the Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club which you allow on wikipedia. He has indeed founded a new club the BBKC... I am not trying to spam about the club, while I am a member -- these are rare breed dogs that deserve a small corner of the universe to tell their story... and I simply want to put them on the pages where they belong... the breeding program that started in the 70's has progressed and the different strains are now established and the circles are evolving and the story should be able to be told.

you allow this one....

Main article: Wilkinson Bulldog

Lolly Wilkinson of Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada, has been breeding a strain of Bulldog referred to as the Wilkinson Bulldog, for many years that is similar to the Old English Bulldog. Due to the small number of bulldogs and the potential for inbreeding it is of questionable quality; however, the Wilkinsons claim that it is a healthy breed and suffers few genetic diseases. In addition, the breed is not recognized by any major kennels. Whether this breed will gain worldwide popularity and more people accept that this is the real Bulldog, remains to be seen. while Tim Kelly is well known in the breed circles and Lolly is what is considered a starter... Tim is part of the foundation of the breed that Lolly is working with... David Leavitt has all but left the breed behind in the hands of the OEBKC which was founded by Tim and now his movement into to family dog aspect of the breed is complete

your editors don't know anything about this rare breed, but the breeders sure do and I am a starting breeder and enthusiast who is attempting to document the story, it is a true underground story that needs the chance to be recorded here!...

so I may not be the best writer in the world... but help me edit it rather than throw it away! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielsoren (talk • contribs)

okay...

I understand.

I have made several changes related to the sourcing of the facts, of which I refer back to already accepted citations within the wikipedia sphere. I have also made several changes to have the language be strictly matter of fact.

I will gather documentation that is either journalistic i.e. newspaper reports and official registry documentation i.e. with the American Rare Breed Association to qualify the statements...

also, the official websites for the groups elaborate their histories...

http://www.freewebs.com/lbaorg/index.htm

http://www.leavittbulldogassociation.com/

http://www.bulldogbreeder.com/about_us.htm

http://www.oldeenglishbulldoggekennelclub.com/history.html

http://www.britishbulldogge.com/

but, I know you want outside source references.

I am in the process of gathering more of this info now. Please allow me some more time.

thanks,

Dan

Jesus Christ...

That was fast. 210.50.97.114 10:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The Recent Changes page allows editors to respond that fast. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 10:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read our deletion policy

Please read our Wikipedia:Deletion policy. We do not delete articles merely because they are currently short. We delete articles when it can be shown that it is impossible to expand them beyond permanent stub status. Our deletion policy requires that one attempt to find sources to expand an article before nominating it for deletion, a necessary condition of showing that expansion is impossible. You clearly didn't even look for sources for Renunciation of citizenship (AfD discussion). Neither did you appear to take into account the fact that 2 minutes after its creation an article is unlikely to have progressed beyond stub status.

You should also familiarize yourself with the difference between a dictionary article, which is an article about a word or an idiom, and an encyclopaedia article, which is an article about the person/concept/place/event/thing that the word or phrase denotes. Wikipedia is not a dictionary does not mean "all currently short articles should be deleted". It means that dictionary articles, about words or phrases, stub or otherwise (Dictionary articles can be stubs, too.), don't belong here. It does not mean that stub encyclopaedia articles don't belong here. Uncle G 13:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Alright, I withdraw the nomination. I admit I hadn't thought out the subject too much or done the least bit of research, so nominating the articl was rather huge mistake on my part. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think it was a mistake. If it was deleted, the author could simply recreate it once they had the time to type more than one sentence. If the article was improved within five days (as it was) then you could simply revoke your nomination (as you did) and no harm would have been done (as is the case). –Gunslinger47 00:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    • It was a mistake. Remember that not all editors use the "show preview" button when they are creating articles. Some save as they go along. So when one is doing New Page Patrol it's important to remember that the article that one is reading may be updated within minutes. If an article is an stub, then by Wikipedia:Deletion policy one needs to check whether it is possible for it to be expanded. In this sort of situation during New Page Patrol, often the easiest way to see whether it is possible for it to be expanded is to tag it as an unreferenced stub and simply wait to see whether it is expanded within the next few hours. Uncle G 11:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renunciation of citizenship

I have withdrawn my recommendation. You have withdrawn your nomination and requested a closure of the debate. There being a consensus of keep, and the article has changed significantly since the start of the afd, I have closed the debate as Nomination withdrawn and keep. Don't be discouraged, I have to date withdrawn three or four of my own nominations. A good faith nomination like yours does not make you a bad editor in the eyes of others, discussion is just that, discussion. Additionally, an article like that would have probably ended up in AFD under my pen so I do not think you made a mistake. Good nomination in my eyes. Happy editing, regards Navou ^talk 03:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)