User talk:Nickmason1973

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Semper fidelis[edit]

Hi. If you would like to change the long established lede of this article, please take it to the talk page. There has been discussion about this in the past. I also recommend searching "Semper Fidelis" on google and other search engines to see what the overwhelming results are. Also, the last revert was the 3R, so please do not revert again without discussion first. Thanks. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 03:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Please help me understand this comment (please respond here). Why does this unit have "more heritage" than USMC? Because it is older, fought in more battles?

The organisation I had in mind in terms of heritage was the Devon and Dorsets Regiment and its predecessors (the Devonshire Regiment, et al, back to the 17th Century.)

Thanks! Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 22:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I'm really not trying to offend. I don't think age or heritage or size or any of those metrics give anything like a measure of "better" in these matters. If we're going to have to debate, then, given both my parents were Royal Navy, I will be honour bound to argue that the Royal Marines are the greatest :) But that would be in jest, and over a drink in a pub, because I know better. Nor am I going to make the case for the Devon and Dorsets, even though, having grown up there, and knowing many of them, I know very well how proud they are to have been semper fidelis. But I know that will bring my own bias; hence why I'm not making the argument.

Got it...it's pride, and rightfully so. Here's some good info on history of the United States Marine Corps if you are interested. BTW, many historians claim historical lineage of the USMC with the Royal Marines, thus it's heritage could be dated much further back then it's foundation in the continental US in 1775. I know how proud these units are of their heritage having served alongside the Desert Rats in Gulf War and later alongside British forces in Helmand. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, whenever I speak about fighting spirit, the top of my list is Lord Nelson. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I keep saying, I think the lede can be changed so that it accommodates both the original Semper Fidelis and Semper Fi, and the prominence of the USMC, and can do so without referring to organisations which have equal claim to pride in their motto in a fashion which suggests they are incidental or "also-rans". To coin another bit of latin, can't the USMC be primus inter pares? Nickmason1973 (talk) 07:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My point is about coverage, including the Internet, and specifically in reliable secondary sources with content that goes beyond trivial, one sentence mentions. Otherwise, every mention will be in the lede. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]