User talk:Patriotmissile

Nukem on all my donations to English Wikipedia!Patriotmissile 20:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

paper references backing up the so-called sandwich economy look to be written by merely a columnist with the viewpoint of yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 15:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sandwich KOREA[edit]

Your souce is one of the essay of korean. It is not good for source.--Koreakorea1 (talk) 15:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's only what you think. The reference has written by economy specialist.

Hi, Patriotmissile, long time no see. Just visit and read the thread at the bottom. Talk:Sea_of_Japan#2channel meatpuppets from 朝鮮人のWikipedia（ｳｨｷﾍﾟﾃﾞｨｱ）捏造に対抗せよ 21. The account created very recently and I'm very tired of these obvious Japanese sock/meatpuppets.--Appletrees (talk) 15:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You said your source was written by goverment staff, but is was false! It was written by head of Chamber of commerce, he is not goverment member.--Koreakorea1 (talk) 16:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patriotmissile, you're not a newbie anymore, so I don't give you a 3RR waring sign unlike Koreakorea1 (talk · contribs) or other Japanese editors. Be cool.

Koreakorea1, hmmmThe Head of Chamber of commerce is appointed by South Korea Government, so he is a government member. If you don't know it, please ~ google it by yourself. --Appletrees (talk) 16:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Koreakorea1, I guess it is better you to understand the facts, first.::::

Writter of your source "김상열" is The Republic of Korea chamber of commerce "vice"-president. He is not goverment member. Source http://news.jknews.co.kr/people/news/20080117/6647628.htm
He was not appointed by South Korea Gov. You told a falsehood!!!!--Koreakorea1 (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, you don't read Korean language at all. That's too bad. The article says Mr. Kim is elected as the president of Deoksu High Schoo Alumni Association'. I don't know what clumsy translation machine you resort, just find better one. And stop vandalising my and this page any more--Appletrees (talk) 11:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for photos[edit]

i saw several photos in Commons which you made. thanks for your contributions, and its good to let you know that I use these pictures on Korea University article(korean). I thought that you may be a student of KU with fluent English or international students of KU. I hope you to contribute the article, now it doesn't seem to be an 'encyclopedia' thing. Contributing will be more useful than fighting with useless words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pudmaker (talk • contribs) 06:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

나는 한국을 좋아합니다.그 사진은 내가 실제로 서울에서 촬영했습니다. 당신은, 쓸데 없게 깨끗한 사진으로, 한국이 깨끗이 보이도록하고 있다. 당신은, 자신의 마음에 들지 않는 사진을 자기 중심으로 제거한다. 그리고, 문서 훼손 과 마음대로 단정짓는다. 최악인 성격, 매우 초조합니다.

그것과 타인의 이용자 페이지로 당당히 코멘트하지 않게.화가 난다.--Keyngez 06:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

실제, 서울은 그렇게 깨끗한 도시가 아닙니다.--Keyngez 06:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keyngez, why don'y learn Korean more fluently? Your Korean is so clumsy and inappripriate. I can't even understand fully what you have tried to express. Speak English, since your Korean is awkward! It looks obvious that you're a foreigner lives in Korea. I have no idea where you originated from. May be Japan, Taiwan, China, or somewhere else. However, it is clearly not true that your claim that Seoul is a dirty city. I am sure that your dirty intention to harm Seoul and Korea let you commit a series of your misdemeanors.

I reported you to administrators as the user commiting vandalism. Your behaviours are not patriotic to your country and those behaviours of yours made you nothing but a true disgrace of your country.Patriotmissile 18:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A note about blocking[edit]

As noted in the large banner on the top of this page, the blocking policy page isn't the page to request blocks. For repeated blatant vandalism, try WP:AIV. For non-blantant repeated vandalism, please see WP:ANI. --Bfigura ^(talk) 21:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection may be requested here, please review the instructions on the page carefully before filing a request. Protection is generally only granted in instances where multiple users are repeatedly vandalizing a page. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 22:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, now that that one user has stopped vandalizing, it's highly unlikely that the page will be protected. Just wanted to let you know. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 22:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your AIV report[edit]

Thank you for making a report about Jjk82 (talk · contribs · block log) on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. Thank you! Sandstein (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on User talk:Sandstein. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Sandstein (talk) 22:15, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I guess there was misunderstanding on my comment on your box. I just wanted to thank you for your rapid response. Why do I have any reasons to attck you? If you consider my comment as a hostile one, I apologize for it. However, I actually thanked you, not attack you!Patriotmissile (talk) 23:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think his point was that you attacked User:Jjk82 on User talk:Sandstein. It's not only a personal attack if it's made on the attackee's talk page. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I was confused that the editor he mentioned referred administrator himself.

Apologies for the revert on South Korea - it was the result of a mis-read on my part. Thank you, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 01:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite welcome. Please let me know how to block revisions, even temporarily.Patriotmissile (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Patriotism"[edit]

Regarding your comments

Do you think your acts are benevolent to your own country? Do you consider your misconducts are patriotic and heroic acts to your country?

regarding User:Jjk82, please note that Wikipedia does not consider how acts may be perceived outside of the encyclopedia - unless based on accuracy or bias in respect of the article. Wikipedia cannot take sides in disputes over content. LessHeard vanU (talk) 02:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jjk82 appears to have stopped for now.[edit]

Not all of the sources he added were of questionable verifiability. Though all the edits I saw were very POV. Perhaps now you can engage in dialogue with him about editing. Good luck. Please place another report at WP:AN/I if his edits are disruptive. Report to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR if he violates the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Please continue to involve other edits and to seek consensus as you have done. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 03:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To make a better wipipedia, and to make a better world in further, I will to do so as you recommened. Briefly, yeah some of his references may be based on facts. However, most of those facts are just tiny examples occurred so rarely in South Korean society. The user Jjk82 seemed to magnify those just to harm South Korea on purpose. For example, even though there actually was a single serial killer in a society, one can't claim that the society is full of crazy killers by citing the news article referring to the serial killer. In addtion, many of Jjk82's references are originated from individuals, leading to loss of balance and fairness. Thank you.Patriotmissile (talk) 03:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He has commented on the talk page. Perhaps you can open a dialogue and work together to improve the article. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 03:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In case[edit]

Many editors into Korean related article definitely think that User:Jjk82 makes very disruptive vandalism on them and violates a 3RR rule. However, in some viewpoint, he can not be considered as a vandal, so please remind that you're also in danger of the 3RR rule on the South Korea article per the strict standard. Thanks--Appletrees (talk) 04:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CIVILITY[edit]

Keyngez, why don'y learn Korean more fluently? Your Korean is so clumsy and inappripriate. I can't even understand fully what you have tried to express. Speak English, since your Korean is awkward! It looks obvious that you're a foreigner lives in Korea. I have no idea where you originated from. May be Japan, Taiwan, China, or somewhere else. However, it is clearly not true that your claim that Seoul is a dirty city. I am sure that your dirty intention to harm Seoul and Korea let you commit a series of your misdemeanors.

I reported you to administrators as the user commiting vandalism. Your behaviours are not patriotic to your country and those behaviours of yours made you nothing but a true disgrace of your country.Patriotmissile 18:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the above is most certainly not civil. Your comment regarding where the editor orginated from is highly offensive. I also find it ironic that while commenting on their "clumsy" use of Korean, you use the word "inappripriate" - however that user is polite enough not to insult you based on your English ability (or lack of). thanks and have a great day !! Sennen goroshi (talk) 12:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, it is so interesting that you Sennen goroshi have walked the same way with other two seemingly Japanese users, Jjk82 and Keyngez. Can I ask you what Sennen goroshi stands for in Japanese? Please be rational! Your behaviour sculpts other users' responses. Let's just see what comes on next.Patriotmissile (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's nice that you are taking an interest in my name, it comes from Naruto it is a term used when performing Kancho.Sennen goroshi (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, unfortunately, I have no idea what you're saying. I mean I have no idea what naruto(??) and Kancho (??) stand for. Are they from Spanish? Sounds like that way. By the way, I left a message to your box. I am expecting your response.Patriotmissile (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, I transer a message I left on your box,

Sennen goroshi, I found you just have joined the club along with your friends, Keyngez Keyngez and Jjk82 Jjk82, in which people who like to change and add contents in all Korea=related articles in a disruptive way.

First of all, upon your remark on your recent revision on the South Korea article, you said to me that the leave the contents supported with your so-called justifiable references and try to argue with some positive contents. I will tell you what. First, your idea telling the references you are urging that they cover the disruptive contents so firmly in a rational way is just merely your own opinion. Those references, mostly cited from news papers, were just topics introducing a small part of society. It is you and your seemingly friend, Jjk82, who draw the disruptive conclusions about the characters of South Korean society. You and your friend cannot generalize the society with small cases with aggresive attitude.

Let's say this way. For instance, last time I saw the news article referring a psychopathic Japanese lady killer who poisoned and killed children with no certain reasons. Can I bring and cite the news to Japan article here in Wikipedia and urge most Japanese ladies have a tendency to kill children? Absolutely not accepatble, right?

In addition, I have lots of articles referring to poverty and starved-to-death homeless persons in Tokyo, Japan, as well as the news article telling the full of hatred toward foreigners and foreign workers by Japanese people. Do you want me to generalize and define the characters of Japanese in the Japan article here in Wikipedia by quoting those articles? I can start it rightnow as you guys have done to the South Korea article, but I am a rational person.

Why don't you do some positive contribution to your Japanese-related articles, rather than spending your times on disrupting Korea-realetd articles in Wikipedua. I also found that you have a history to argue with other Korean fellow, and you harrassed him by saying unacceptable words. Please be courteous to other Wikiusers

3RR[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors.

it is only fair that I inform you, of the report that I have made regarding edit-warring and possible breach of the Three Revert Rule.

you will find the report, and may comment on the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Patriotmissile_reported_by_User:Sennen_goroshi_.28Result:_.29

Sennen goroshi (talk) 15:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That goes exactly to you, too, Sennen goroshi. As you can see my box, most administrators have the same opinion that the contents you are protecting in South Korea are disruptive. I will gift you the same tag to you.Patriotmissile (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you place a 3RR tag on my user page, when I have made only ONE edit on the South Korea article?

How is making ONE edit, in violation of the 3RR(Three revert rule)?Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a simple answer to your question, Sennen goroshi . You just reverted the contents to the certain version, which has been reverted mutiple times by your friendly user, Jjk82, and also judged to be disruptive by administrators. In terms of series of disruptive reversion in [South Korea] article, you just have violated 3RR rule, I think.Patriotmissile (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

erm no. not quite. I am not responsible for the edits of JJK82, if he/she made multiple reverts, then perhaps he/she is guilty of 3RR, but as I only made one edit, then I am most certainly not guilty of any breach of the 3RRSennen goroshi (talk) 17:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm did you even understand what I've said? Well you just made settle-downed issue iterated on purpose. In terms of the ultimate purpose of 3RR rule, you just violated. Now can you get it?Patriotmissile (talk) 19:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apology to Patriotmissile[edit]

Hi, Patriotmissile, I'm terribly sorry for my wrong notice regarding the 3RR rule which causes a painful trouble to you. You didn't violate the rule, but I just wanted to calm you down because almost everyone into the articles think Jjk82's behaviors are obviously disruptive. I somewhat expect Sennen goroshi might be following my edits as he always does. This is not a first time Senne does that kind of disruption. We must keep cool and not be trapped by those kind of editors for constructive Wikipedia. I have several unpleasant experiences cuased by Sennen goroshi. He is always on the hot seat regarding civility issue. So you don't need to worry about his actions. Just stay calm. And again, I deeply apology to you, Patriotmissile. --Appletrees (talk) 17:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite welcome, Appletrees. I know you didn't put me that kinda charge on me. I thank you for your considerate careness. By the way, I found the user Sennen goroshi has abused you much. If you don't mind I will raise the issue about his misdeameanors on you. Thank you again.Patriotmissile (talk) 17:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind acceptance. I filed a report once regarding his vandalism but my clumsy and lengthy wordings just made the person to escape. I think it is quite right time to do so, because he keeps continuing the disruptions to 3 people right now. And his hatred feelings against Kim Ki-duk can also be included as well. Please see below.

Animal Cruelty on Kim Ki-duk. [1]

have there been any more documented cases of this barbaric director committing acts of animal cruelty? or were these disgusting cases of barbarism only in this one sick movie?Sennen goroshi (talk) 06:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What an irony he warns people on civility as if he were an admins. That looks just quite odd. --Appletrees (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tip ; WP:ANI[edit]

I think the report should be onto WP:ANI. The vandalism thread is not for the purpose. --Appletrees (talk) 18:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your precious tip. I will work on it there.Patriotmissile (talk) 19:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also working on the incident report. I'll fill up some useful info to your future report later, but now I gotta go to grab something to eat (I'm very hungry! ^^). See you. --Appletrees (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The timing[edit]

I think you're a relatively newbie, so in my opinion, you seem not to know of what is 3RR and vandalism reports. The misplaced report can cause just an irritation to admins, therefore we need to report his disruption precisely to WP:ANI now. I also left a comment to one of admins intervening your vandalism report on Sennen. User_talk:TSO1D I got positive answer regarding whether it is okay to report the Sennen's behaviors.

I think If I had not encountered User:Sennen goroshi since late September, I might've never known 3RR rules, WP:ANI report and other complex rules. You might think so as well.

I admit that I hesitated a bit to report his disruptions by myself this time, because I've reported three incidents at WP:ANI including User:Sennen goroshi's harassments and vandalism to me and the other two related to mere vandalisms on my talk page. I didn't even know proper way to report the incidents at the times, in turn, I just made him escape from any punishment with my lengthy wordings. Due to the reason, my reports were not fully paid attention from admins. Any editors who are not an admins also can participate in discussion at WP:ANI. and I got some bitter comments from them. Some thought that I'm making a big deal with disputes with Sennen. The other two reports are regarded as trivia because there were lots of more serious cases.

This is English wikipedia, and I feel that admins here don't want any dispute regardless of which side is right or wrong. In addition, the numbers of editors into Korean related articles are much less 1/10 than editors into the neighbor countries. Sennen was also reported by another user at WP:ANI for Sennen' leaking the reporter's personal info to revenge the user for his real friend sake. However, Sennen got any punishment as well. That was the beginning of his disruption since he made his account.

Maybe some admins do think that the report is a mere matter of content disputes and don't care about it. Besides, if the report is delayed further, some admins would not care for the report because they are concentrating on 'very recent cases'. And the disruptive person is active around Eastern time evening. Therefore, we need to report as soon as possible. Thanks --Appletrees (talk) 02:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Appletrees, I fully agree with your idea. It is way too vast to be controlled thoroughly by administrators. As you recommended, I will work this out in cooperation with you guys, especially during weekends. Thank you for your valuable tips all the time.Patriotmissile (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This weekend is too late. In my opinion, you should've reported it yesterday. The sooner action is better to get more opinions from admins. And as Sennen's self-claim, he is an English instructor from English speaking world living in Japan. (who knows what ethnicity he is, but he seems to read Japanese and Korean language). Therefore, mentioning his nationality could not get positive answers. Besides, Jjk82 looks an English teacher residing in South Korea. I read your wording on South Korea talk page. I know you're very upset, but that is what he wants. The tone for the rationale should be calm and look neutral as well. The report shouldn't be long just several sentences are enough to initiate a discussion at ANI. --Appletrees (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Vandalism_and_incivility[edit]

Hello Patriotmissile. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you.

--Appletrees (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Appletrees, I appreciate for your notice. I will assert my opinion there in a civil way. Thank you.Patriotmissile (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request for arbitration[edit]

A request for arbitration has been placed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Korean cuisine. The arbitration involves not only the issues with Korean cuisine but the issues with editing the article South Korea and the civility of multiple editors.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 07:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bullying[edit]

Patriotmissile, after reviewing the thread at Talk:South Korea#Sennen Goroshi, I notice you have engaged in serious bullying and harassment of Sennen goroshi. You are personalising a content dispute by demonising your opponents and engaging in aggressive, ad hominem attacks against them. This is unacceptable. I am now putting you on notice to stop that behaviour, or you will be blocked, and for a long time. Please stop all interaction with S.g. and comments about him, except for concise, matter-of-fact comments about particular edits you need to discuss. Any disparaging remark about him that can be seen as a resumption of your bullying behavior will lead to a block.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I came across this vandalism warning you gave to User:Jjk82. After reviewing most of his edits, I concluded that, though his edits generally do not conform to Wikipedia policies, they are made in good faith and properly cited, and thus has nothing at all to do with vandalism. I have removed all vandalism warnings on his talk page after consideration. Please refrain, in the future, from putting vandalism warning templates on other users' talk pages in a content dispute. This bad-faith act is unacceptable. Aran|heru|nar 06:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great, so this is the way how Wikipedia goes, right? I guess I made some incensed comments, but I really can't believe you, administrators (?), give a credit to peson like Sennen goroshi, who has shown so obvious aggresive intent toward South Korea. If this is a so-called HongKong-style justice in English Wikipedia, fine with me. One question, I'd like to raise is that what the standard is for being administrators in Wikipedia. Any long-tern wikiusers automatically become administrators, and are considered as some kind of guru here? Please, see the fact. Regardless of the judgement of you guys, I think Wikipedia has been used as antagonistic propaganda against whoever one doesn't like.

For instance, I can't believe how many racial crimes occur every single day in US and Western countries, but in Wikipedia, are these countries described as racist country? Come one. I know you guys can speak ENGLISH much better than me. That's a huge weapon of you guys. Do you guys knolw how many pollutes are produced by so-called developed countries, including Hong Kong? Woops, sorry. Hong Kong is not classified as developed countries. Now I will call all those countries as dirty and disgusting countries, like what Sennen goroshi and Jjk82 did. I am not gonna even talk about Iraq war or racists who like to play with noose even until today. Look how many data are Wikipedia dealing those kinda facts.Patriotmissile 02:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for having me chance to see what true Wikipedia and its spirit and purpose of being. I won't forget. I just regret that I realize this too late.Patriotmissile 02:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

앞사람만 관리자이고, 나머지 사람은 그냥 평범한 편집자에요. 혹시 공통위키나 한국 위키에 계정이 혹시 있으시거나, 만들 생각이 없으신가요? 전 한국어위키에 사과벌을 영어로 바로 번역하면 되는 계정이 있는데요. 혹시 궁금한 게 있으시면, 거기다 물어보세요. 여기 관리자라던지.. 성향이라던지.. 확실히 한국어위키랑은 많이 달라요.

I come here to ask you a favor. I notice that you upload very very good pictures to English wiki such as Seoul and Yeouido and so forth.

File:Seoul-Yeouido.at.dawn-01.jpg

. However, could you upload the images directly to Commons:Category:Korea? If you do, I will really appreciate your effort. Thanks. --Appletrees 02:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appletrees, I will try to do so after I recover from my huge disappointment on Wikipedia. Thank you.Patriotmissile 02:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

고려대에 재학 중이신 것 같은데요. Korea University의 사진을 대부분 올리셨지요? 그런데 글은 부족한데, 사진이 너무 많고, 이미 공통 위키에 이미지를 저장하니, 한 반으로 줄여야 할 것 같아요. 제가 편집하더라도 너무 속상해하지 마시길..--Appletrees 02:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

사과나무님 좋긴한데 힘들게 올린 사진들이니 부디 삭제 하진 마시죠. 그 사이트에도 많은 사연이 담겨 현재의 모습을 그나마 겨우 유지하는 겁니다. 부탁 드립니다.Patriotmissile 02:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

그 이미지가 사라지거나, 삭제하는게 아니에요. 다만 영문위키의 데이터 대신 공통위키로 들어가는 겁니다. 그리그 이름이 만약 바뀌거나(정렬 때문에 일부 이름을 수정했습니다.), 그게 공통위키에 들어가면, 바로 영문위키로 연결이 되요. 전에 고대 사진이나 서울의 사진은 여전히 위키 상에 남아있어요. <덧붙임> 아, 제가 말귀를 좀 못알아 들었군요. 여기 기준으로 생각을 해야해요. 제가 아니더라도, 누군가 이미지가 너무 많다고 뭐라고 하는 것을 봤거든요. 그래서 한 16개까지는 놔두고, 나머지는 공통위키로 옮길 생각인데...그래도 싫으세요? 그리고 글이 부족해요. Harvard University 나 다른 곳도 그리 사진이 많지 않아요. 사진을 많이 쓰려면, 그만큼 글이 많이 들어가야 한답니다. 그리고 여기 위키는 일본인들에게 매우 호의적이에요. 앞서의 관리자는 좀 우리나라 사람들이 극성맞다고 생각하는 경향이 있고, 님에게 경고를 날린 편집자는 홍콩사람이에요. 여기 우리를 싫어하는 사람들이 단순히 아랫 동네 사람만은 아니랍니다. --Appletrees 02:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

헉.. 저, 위의 쓰레드에 관리자에게 쓴 말은 지우시는 게 나을 것 같아요. 그렇게 쓰면 바로 협박이라고 해서, 다른 사람들이 보고 님만 바로 차단됩니다. 정말로 그런 일을 많이 보았으니, 흥분을 가라앉히세요. 그리고 아마도 님의 아이디때문에 눈에 확 띠면서, 국수주의자라고 오해를 사는 것 같아요. 이름을 바꿀 이유가 충분하고, 일정의 신청 절차를 거치면, 아이디를 바꿀 수도 있거든요? 제발 화를 가라앉히세요. 네? 종전에 관리자에게 좀 배워라하는 말은 바로 지우시길 바랍니다. 진심으로 부탁드려요. 안그래도 사건 보고 때문에 한국인만 완전 새가 되었는데, 제발 진정하시길..외국인들이 한국인이 급흥분하는 것을 이용해서, 영구차단시키는 것을 제가 얼마나 많이 보았는데요. 안그래도 한국인 편집자는 별로 없는데....--Appletrees 03:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

말씀하신대로 위에 댓구문은 삭제 했습니다. 제가 단세포적 다혈질적 근성이 가끔 나와서요. 위키피디아에서 만이라도 고치도록 노력하겠습니다. 위에 단락에서 말씀 하신 내용들은 잘 이해하였습니다. 제가 아직 공통 위키란 개념 자체도 좀 부족해서요. 이미지가 많다고 누가 뭐라했는지는 몰라도 카이스트나 이화여대 경우 더많은 이미지가 업로드 되있는 걸로 제가 알고, 꼭 하버드던 미국애들 대학 포럼 기준에 맞추고 싶지는 않습니다. 사실 현재 이미지 업로드 이전에 고려대 포럼내 많은 내용들이 별 시덥지않은 이유들로 속칭 대중을 대변하는 운영자라는 사람에게 무차별 삭제 당했습니다.

삭제된 내용들도 모두 대중매체를 인용한 레퍼런스들로 백업이 됐지만, 한국 포럼과는 정반대로 뭐 그냥 운영자 한마디로 다 삭제되더군요. 물론 그 문제 자체를 제기한 사람들은 그다지 순수한 의도를 가진 분들은 결코 아니였죠. 사진 게재수가 많다는 이유만으로 조정하려 하시는 거라면 사진은 가급적 살려두고 싶습니다. 다른 방도는 없을까요? 저도 생각해 보도록 하겠습니다. 참 게다가 저 위에 운영자 홍콩사람이라는 말씀에 현상황이 수긍이 가는군요. 대만 홍콩 싱가폴 중국, 범중화권 사람들이 한국을 어떻게 내심 생각하는지야 이미 뭐 통달한지라... 게다가 일본.. 악재의 연속이네요. 결국 먼훗날 한국의 국력으로 XX세력들 후에 지근 눌러주는데 저도 티끌이나마 일조하고 싶을 뿐 입니다.Patriotmissile 03:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Namsan Tower

여긴 거의 운영자가 절대 군림자이지요. 탄핵이나 물러나는 것도 없으니....;; 그리고 여기 관리자들을 잘 살펴보면, 일본계나 중국계가 꽤 많아요. 우리나라 사람들은 전무하구요. 사실 여기서 한국말 쓰면, 개인 페이지인데도 아마 태클일 들어올 겁니다. 영어 위키인데 영어쓰라고 뭐라고 할껄요. 게다가 한국도 요새 많이 국제화가 되서, 우리말하는 이웃나라 사람들이 얼마나 많은데요. 아님 번역기를 돌려서, 한국인이 모르는 내용, 깍아내릴려고 작정하고, 올리는 글들이 진짜 많답니다. 지금 단고기 요리 때문에(강아지를 뜻하는 말을 한국인보다 더 잘알아서, 이렇게 썼습니다.), 중재위원회에 청원이 들어갔는데, 거기 토론난 읽어보면 장난이 아닙니다. 한국인이 낙지먹는 것이 야만적이고, 피비린내가 나는 끔찍한데, 그러한 사실은 주목할 만하기 때문에, 다른 나라, 원숭이 골을 먹거나, 고래를 먹는 것은 다른 요리에 안쓰면서, 한국요리에서는 꼭 들어가야한다고 주장하는 한국주재 외국인들이 있어요. 얼마나 기가 막힌데요. 절대로 흥분해서 그런한 도발에 넘어가면 안되요. 아..그리고 이화여대나 성균관대 등의 여기 글에서는 이미지가 없던데요? 공통위키는 일종의 이미지 저장소라서 얼마던지 많이 올려도 되지만, 여기는 글이 먼저 중심이라서, 이미지가 더 많다 싶으면, 관리자가 글에서 제거한답니다. 물론 이미지 자체는 지우지 않지만, 그 이미지를 올린 사람이 아니고서는, 행방을 찾기가 힘들 때도 많구요. 그래서 공통위키에 한번 올리면, 영어 위키 뿐만 아니라, 다른 나라 사람들이 한번에 보고 필요한 이미지를 쓸수가 있지요. 그리고 여긴 거의 미국인들이 장악했다고 보면 되요. 영어도 거의 미국식 영어로 쓰고, 영국식 영어로 쓰면, 틀렸다고 알파벳 하나 고치는데, 그거가지고 3번 편집을 번복했다고 신고하고 그럽니다. 그리고 님과 싸운 상대는 공식적인 자리에서는 얼마나 공손한지 다들 깜빡 넘어가는데, 자신에게 몰렸던 위기를 벗어나면, 여전하지요. 그냥 피하는게 일단은 상책이에요. 계속 싸우다가 글도 못쓰고 쫏겨나는 경우가 많으니...그리고 절대로 속마음을 다 내비치면 안되구요. 이미지는 참 멋있는데, 여기는 영어 위키라서 일단은 그네들 식으로 따라야 할 수 밖에요. --Appletrees 03:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

여기가 만약 세계 외교현실의 축소판이라면 정말 뭐 한국의 현실이 감이 오네요. 여하튼 그놈의 퀴진 퀴진 얘기 나와서 왈왈고기 얘기로 아마 논란을 만들었겠군 싶었더니 역시나군요. 저도 중국인이 제가 외국인과 얘기할때마다 왈왈고기 너댓번 의도적으로 끼어들어 말하길래 고양이 고기에 인육풍습으로 망신한번주니 아주 저한테 이를 갈더라구요. 뭐 여기가 외교전쟁의 축소판이라면 어쨌던 살아남아서 승리해야죠. 전쟁에선 승자가 모든걸 쟁취하니 승리만이 미덕이겠죠. 대강 여기 감은 잡았습니다. 어떻게 그런 정보들을 아셨는지 궁금하네요. 이미 한국 위키에선가 그런 정보를 얻을 수 있다고 귀띰 주셨지만요. 전 단순히 한국관련, 그리고 제가 잘아는 곳들에 한해 위키에서 순수하게 보탬이 되려고 여기 그저 왔다가 이런 수면밑 빙산의 실체를 깨닫고 씁쓸할 뿐입니다.

공통위키 부분은 잘 이해 했습니다. 그게 그런데 이곳에 올린 사진화일을 공통위키에 중복해서 올리면 어떤 룰에 위배되는 건가요? 그리고 이곳 영문위키에서 사진을 삭제해야만 그곳에 업로드가 가능한지요? 고려대에 뭔가 글을 더 첨가하는건 하도 우여곡절을 거쳐 겨우 유지하는 평형유지 상태라, 지금 현재 제 정신적 상태로는 중과부적이라 힘들게 올린 사진이라도 그냥 좀 유지시켰으면 해서요. 여하튼 충고들 감사 하고, 그네들이 약게 논다면 비록 영어는 그네들만큼 안된다 할지라도 그바닥 룰을 최대한 이용해서 그네들이 한방식 그대로 저쪽도 각고의 통한을 겪도록 좀 해줘야 겠군요. 그럼 오늘은 이만 물러가고 또 뵙도록 하겠습니다, 사과나무님.Patriotmissile 03:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

한국 문서에 시솝에 대해 남긴 글 중 일부 문제가 되는 것을 지웠습니다. 기분이 언짢으셨다면 죄송해요. 그 문서를 보는 윗동네, 아랫동네 나라사람들이 많으니, 글을 쓰실 때 주의하시길... 저 위에 님에게 경고한 관리자는 독일쪽인 것 같고, 다른 그냥 일반 편집자가 홍콩사람이라고 말한 것인데요. 그 문서에 이웃, 특히 아랫동네 사람들이 정말 많이 출몰하거든요?....--Appletrees (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

제불찰 입니다. 예민한 사항인줄 알면서도 그냥 욱해서 또 적었네요. 여하튼 오늘 막 위키 접속해서 한국문서 보니 그 뭐할 제이제이케이 팔이 그놈 또 근성 못버리고 시작했네요. 걔 일본애는 맞나요? 저도 마찬가지 방식으로 대응해 줄까 하는 생각도 하는 중인데 되려 화를 부를까 조심 스럽네요. 우선 제이제이케이 행위를 다시 또 고발조치 하도록 하겠습니다. 뭐 안받아 들여져도 계속 관리자들에게 그놈 악명을 각인시키고 그인간 반복되는 행위를 인식 시킬 필요성은 있는 것 같습니다. 정말 아랫동네및 주변동네엔 정상인보단 쓰레기들 많아 뵈는군요.Patriotmissile 20:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone saying like[edit]

지금 대한민국 토론 문서에서 님의 발언이 2사람의 편집으로 되돌려져있는 것을 알 수 있을 겁니다. 저보고 "함부로" 되돌리면서, 오만하다고 하더군요. Patriotmissile님께서 직접 그 편집을 지우던지, 하셔야 할 것이에요. 처음엔 익명의 사람이 저보고 경고를 날리고, 또한 웬지 의심이 가는 사용자 (1)가 두번째로 편집을 돌렸는데요.[2] 제 생각에는 이 사람 편집이 어디서 많이 본 것 같네요. 과거에 고려대에서도 나타났고, 또한 편집 스타일이나, 관심 분야가 이 사람이랑 너무 겹쳐요. 어떻게 생각하세요? 제이제이케이가 일본인같아 보이진 않지만, 환경문제에 집착하더군요. 중국문서에서 환경 순위도 집어넣다가, POV라고 바로 되돌려졌더군요. 일본 문서에는 찬양의 글을 올렸지만, 그렇게 국가, 인종을 언급을 하면, 좋은 인상을 못받고, 님만 이상한 사람이 되기 쉽상이에요. 그리고 sockpuppet으로 의심가는 사용자 역시 봐두었으니, 만약 신고하시면 저도 그에 관해서 거들께요. 그리고 제이제이케이팔이가 한 행동이 주관적이고 문서 훼손 행위인지를 잘 설명해야해요. 침착하게 쓰시고, 흥분하지 마세요. 그리고 한국프로젝트도 아랫동네, 윗동네 사람들이 진짜 주시문서 처리해놓고 시시때때로 염탐(?)하러 오거든요. 여기는 영어 위키이니 '우리나라 문서'라고 생각하면 안된답니다. 그리고 대한민국의 토론문서에서 본인이 쓴 글이니, 스스로 철회한다고 편집을 되돌리면서, 편집 요약난에 쓰는게 나을 것 같네요. 그리고 수상하다는 그 두사람들은 한국어를 매우 잘 아는 한국사람이거나, 아시아계같습니다. 한국인이라고 다 한국문서를 좋게 쓰거나 객관적으로 쓰지 않은 경우도 있답니다. 미국에서 태어나거나, 이민을 갔을 경우, 외국인처럼 쓸 때가 있더군요. 그리고 여기서 한국인이라는 말을 믿지 마세요. 다른 나람 사람이며넛, 한국인처럼 뻥치는 경우도 많습니다. --Appletrees (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

네 잘 알겠습니다. 가서 살펴 보도록 하죠. 저도 그룬티 저사람 낯익은 닉이라 여겨 집니다. 말씀 하신대로 고려대 건 분쟁때도 얼핏 기억나는 이름중 한명 같군요. 생각해보면 이 위키란 곳이 어디 다른 곳에서 분쟁이 발생하면 분쟁 당사자가 호의적으로 관리하는 게시물들을 무차별로 공격해서 난관에 빠뜨리는 전술을 많이 쓰던군요. 더러운 처사를 어찌 그렇게 잘들 쓰는지.. 방금 노티스 보드에 제이제이케이를 이미 피오브이로 관리자로 부터 판결된 행위의 재반복 건으로 고발 했습니다. 말씀 하신대로 가서 조정하겠습니다. 제게 주시는 조언들 정말 감사 드리면서도, 한편으론 이건 뭐 난지도 보다 더 냄새는 곳이 위키란 생각도 드네요.Patriotmissile 20:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You got the wrong address again[edit]

반달를 고발하는 그 곳이 아니라, WP:ANI이나, WP:RFC, 또는 Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts 중의 하나에 고발하셔야 해요.-_- 반달은 지금 막 문서를 파괴하고 있을 때만 효력이 있고, 좀 지난 것은 거들떠 보지 않습니다. WP:ANI이나, WP:RFC 두곳에 문의해야 하는데, 전자가 가장 마땅해 보이네요. 아마도 반달고발하는 곳에서는 다시 또 그 보고한 것이 지워질 것입니다. --Appletrees (talk) 21:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

말씀 하신대로 전자에 고발문을 옮겼습니다. 사과나무님도 아시겠지만 제이제이케이는 이미 관리자중 한명으로부터 피오브이성 글을 한국문서에 올린다는 판결을 받은 상태에서 (제 박스참조), 센넨 고로시가 겨우 평온이 깃든 그상황에서, 다시 무의미한 리버젼을 일삼던 제이제이케이의 마지막 리버젼 버젼 상태로 되돌려 논게 결국 삼알알을 초래한 근본 원인이죠. 제이제이케이 경우 위에 독일관리자 포함 다른 몇몇 관리자들은 다른 견해(?)를 보일지는 몰라도 이미 관리자중 한명에게서 피오브이 선고를 받은 상태이고, 센넨 고로시는 그 판결이 내려진 직후에도 (아마 이를 인지하고 있으면서도) 제이케이의 문제 버젼으로 돌렸다는 걸 주안점으로 삼고 관리자들에게 접근 해보도록 해야 겠네요. 적어도 관리자들끼리 견해충돌은 서로 피하고 싶어할 분위기니 선결 사례가 있다면 그걸로 접근하는게 유리할듯 싶습니다.Patriotmissile 22:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

저기 위에 미래의 완벽한 해뜸 (직역하니 이렇게 난감할 데가..)이라는 관리자 역시, 제이제이케이의 편집이 문제가 있다고, 굿프렌드 백이 세넨고로시 RFC를 제출할 때 이미 쓴바가 있으니, 그것에 관한 링크를 찾아서 붙이시면 될 겁니다. 그리고 저와 여기서 한글로 쓴 것과 님의 글에서도 문제가 될 만한 것은 이제 다 지우는 게 나을 것 같네요. 어차피, 본인의 페이지에 글을 다 지워도 별 상관없고, 전 전달하고자 하는 내용은 다 이야기했으니깐요. 한글로만 계속 쓰면 또 엉뚱한 표적이 될 수도 있을 듯 싶어서요. 그럼...--Appletrees (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please give the opinion[edit]

The relation between imperial household and Baekjae of Japan is being discussed. I hope for your opinion. [3]--Princesunta (talk) 10:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI#Long time abusing Wikipedia by Japanese editors from 2channel meat/sock puppets[edit]

WP:ANI#Long time abusing Wikipedia by Japanese editors from 2channel meat/sock puppets

Talk:Sea of Japan#2channel meatpuppets from 朝鮮人のWikipedia（ｳｨｷﾍﾟﾃﾞｨｱ）捏造に対抗せよ 21 diff

Hi, Patriotmissile, I just come to inform you that you have been exposed to 2channel, Japanese famous bulletin board. Unfortunately, many Japanese editors seem to have abused Wikipedia with the threads for a long time (over 4 years!) You remember Japanese POV pushing to South Korea? Korea1korea is proven as an abusive sockpuppeter. That looks like all related to 2channel. The extreme example is shown at the Talk:Sea of Japan. The discussion set up three days ago, but I let you know of this now.

I translated some of information, but the threads are too many, so if you have a time to look at it, please visit the links listed there. I also add the diff in case you come to the page much later. If it is archived, you would find it in No. 380 or 381. Or use Special:Whatlinkshere Thanks. --Appletrees (talk) 02:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WT:KO#Template:Infobox Korean name[edit]

Hey, long time no see. Can you give your input on this template at WT:KO ? We need as many opinion as possible. --Appletrees (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Appletrees, I've been so hectic. Sure I will post my opinion there. By the way, I've never thought that there's a single person who can speak English in the sloppy ugly place like 2ch where full of 'Otakus' reside.Patriotmissile (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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your pic of Seoul[edit]

Hi Patriotmissile!

I'm a Citizendium author & I'd like to use your image of Seoul for a Citizendium article. There should be no problem with the license, but I need to know your real name. Is that okay? Thank you! (Chunbum Park (talk) 00:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Section tags at South Korea[edit]

Hi Patriotmissile, thanks for your concern. I just want to ask that you review the discussion at Talk:South Korea before removing tags or requesting protection of the article. There is widespread agreement at the talk page that some sections of the article are hurt by peacock terms, poor referencing (either bad sources, or sources that don't actually support the statements in the article), and POV wording; the disagreement is not really whether or not tags belong, but whether there should be a tag at the top of the article or just some sections. (Tagging sections was my suggestion for a compromise, as editors had been warring over tags at the top of the article—my reasonsing was that some sections have major issues but others are fine, so we shouldn't tag the whole article.) In fact, the tags you removed in your last couple edits weren't from the various warring IPs and sock puppets, but were tags that I put up in order to bring attention to areas that need improvement; I have not been "attacking" the article. Please take these issues into consideration before requesting full protection. Thank you, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your apology. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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