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Proposed deletion of Teutonia

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Teutonia, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

Was a redirect to Germany, however I have no idea what Teutonia got to do with Germany. Another editor blanked the page before.

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Weird etymology

Where did you get this weird etymology from? It doesn't appear in any revision of the article you give as a source. Ostrów is actually a cognate of English stream, by the way. · Naive cynic · 18:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Ghost Adventures: removed info

Before removing a huge amount of info on Ghost Adventures, you are supposed to discuss the dispute on the talk page.--Twinsday (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Warning

I see that you have come back to resume pretty much the same behaviour that got you in trouble two years ago: edit-warring on the same set of articles (Metropolitan Association of Upper Silesia etc.); making contentious edits about Polish-German naming issues, canvassing [1], "Germanising" names, some of them wrongly ([2]) and others. I am giving you warning under the terms of the WP:DIGWUREN#Discretionary sanctions Arbcom case that you may be topic-banned from the relevant articles if disruption should continue. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Your vandalisms, again

1. You can not delete Polish sources. You not understand the Polish language? Ask someone to translate.
2. I add also english sources, you also deletes english sources. You've done vandalism.
3. For compromise: I add template {Sources} for eventually add English sources. If there are no (English) sources, apply template {Sources}. I think this is logical.
4. Please read Larger Urban Zones and see it sources. Bad sources: Eurostat - Urban Audit.org. Explain it here: Talk:Larger Urban Zones. If an error is it going to the source, article Larger Urban Zones is first sources. If Urban Audit.org is not Eurostat, first explain in discussion of Larger Urban Zones. Explain the first there, you letter come here.
5. MAUS is very many new text, not copy of Katowice. You do not have the right to remove anything. Removing half of the article is vandalism. I will always revert your wandalisms. Always! LUCPOL (talk) 19:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Shroud of Turin

Hi! Thanks for your recent edits to Shroud of Turin. I reverted one of them and posed a question about it on the talk page. Could you take a look and give your thoughts on it? Thanks -- Timberframe (talk) 10:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

Your recent edit to the page Attacks on North America during World War II appears to have added incorrect information and has been reverted or removed. All information in this encyclopedia must be verifiable in a reliable, published source. If you believe the information that you added was correct, please cite the references or sources or before making the changes, discuss them on the article's talk page. Please use the sandbox for any other tests that you wish to make. Do take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you.--ja_62 (talk) 10:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Grigoryev

Hi, R9! This is a courtesy notice to let you know that I moved "Grigoriev" back to Grigoryev again. This is per WP:RUS#People, item 9, dealing specifically with the titles of disambiguation and name pages. The "conventional name" clause you quoted applies to the titles of actual articles, not aggregators like dabs and name pages. Please let me know if you have further concerns, though. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:19, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I've also moved back Dmitriyev. Judging by your edit summary, you, for some reason, perceive the i-spelling as "correct". I just want to point out that there is no single correct version, because any given Russian word can be romanized in many different ways, all of which would be correct. In fact, one of the main reasons why we have WP:RUS at all is to help us consistently standardize on one romanization instead of having to randomly choose among available alternatives. Hope this clarifies the situation. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:37, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Oh wow, the problem seems to be even broader than these two! I am sorry, but I'll be reverting all your reverts back. Please study WP:RUS carefully. It does not help to declare a name "conventional" without providing sources backing up that claim {see bullet 3 under Clarifications in WP:RUS). In absence of such sources, we use the default romanization. The whole point of that guideline is to set a standard and to prevent people moving articles back and forth to romanizations they personally perceive to be the best. Nothing personal, hope you understand. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:50, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Hi, R9! You know, it's great that you cite WP:RUS like that—it shows that you've read at least part of it. Unfortunately, you are not citing all relevant parts, nor, with all due respect, you seem to understand what the intent of this guideline is. I am not being sarcastic saying this, by the way; it's just that most people using the "English usage" card don't quite get what the guideline is about either.

Take "People", for example. You've cited items 1 through 3, but missed the (rather important) portion at the top of that section where it says that when spelling is selected based on one of these criteria, it must be documented on the article's talk page (emphasis mine). You have not done so with any of your moves, and, to quote WP:RUS again, in absence of verifiable documentation, romanization produced by the WP:RUS guideline must be used (meaning "use the romanization table at the bottom of the guideline). Now, if you took time to provide the said documents (or, better yet, add cites to the article so both the content and the choice of spelling are referenced), do you think I'd have any reason to object? I do a brief research on each and every single article I think should be moved per WP:RUS, and when there is indeed an apparent variant predominantly used in English, I use that. All in all, I stand by my move decisions. In my judgement, a WP:RM was unnecessary because the moves were done in full compliance with WP:RUS, it's as simple as that. One does not file for a WP:RM every time a guideline is misapplied; one simply fixes the problem.

Now, "Places". Let me quote the same passage back to you, but emphasizing a different portion of it: a conventional name of a place is the name listed in major English dictionaries and should be preferred over romanization at all times. Granted, we don't supply a list of said "major dictionaries" on talk pages of articles like Moscow or Saint Petersburg, but then anybody with half a brain can easily verify those two. Not the case for tiny places like Keperveyem—that one is not listed in any dictionaries (which means it simply does not have a "conventional English name"—a case with 99% of Russian places, by the way), and the "industry standard" for romanization of such Russian toponyms is BGN/PCGN romanization of Russian (endorsed by both the US and UK, and I believe by the English-speaking countries of the Commonwealth as well) around which, I should add, WP:RUS is built.

On the other hand, you may have a point with the islands in Franz Josef Land. A good number of them do indeed have English names. However, in my experience, those names are being phased out in favor of BGN/PCGN variants. In other words, they are becoming obsolete (which is no wonder as the islands have been in Russian jurisdiction for quite some while). Case in point: two out of the three atlases I checked show Yeva-Liv Island as "Ostrov Yeva-Liv" (the third atlas did not have that island marked). All three atlases use BGN/PCGN. "Eva Island" is more common in historical and older literature. All this makes me think that straight romanization is a better choice here because that's where the usage is shifting to. In addition, giving a small number of sources dealing specifically with this island, I would say that either "Yeva-Liv" or "Eva" enjoy very few mentions at all, so it's safer to err on the side of standardization and use "Yeva-Liv".

Anyway, the bottom line is that one cannot pick a spelling from a random text that happens to use English words and claim that spelling to be the correct English usage (although, of course, it may happen to be it). There is always a big picture that needs to be considered, and that big picture is precisely what WP:RUS is all about. Please let me know if anything in my explanation above is unclear to you.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:27, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

The Beatles discography

Hi! What are your sources for the two music videos you inserted into the discography's music video table? We need to know these references to keep "Come Together" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" in the listing. Please respond either here on this page, or on my talk page. Thank you very much! Best, --Discographer (talk) 13:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The Beatles official website. -- Hroþberht - picture yourself in a boat on a river... (gespraec) 00:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)