User talk:Ratizi

Chronology

In regard to this revert; I think you've misread Wikipedia:ALBUMS#Chronology. It states: Only studio albums, usually excluding live albums, compilations, singles and EPs should be included in the chronology. Please be a little more careful with reading the description. DiverseMentality 07:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

In regard to my revert on I Am… Sasha Fierce; I think you misread Wikipedia:ALBUMS#Chronology. Only studio albums, usually excluding live albums, compilations, singles and EPs should be included in the chronology. The description clearly says include, if I'm not mistaken, include means it should be comprised of the fore mentioned items. Ratizi1 (talk) 07:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you're missing the key word: excluding. It says to exclude live albums, compilations, singles and EPs, and to include only studio albums. Also, if you respond, can you response here on your talk page? I like to keep my discussions unfragmented, and I have your user talk on watch until the discussion is over. Thank you. DiverseMentality 08:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The thing is, it doesn't actually say include only studio albums. To me it seems like an admins awkward wording to have exclude to start it and include to end it. I read it a few times and realized it doesn't make sense so we aren't wrong, the rule is. Problem is, who's gonna fix it? Ratizi1 (talk) 08:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

If you feel the wording is confusing, I'll bring it up on the WikiProject's talk page and try to find a consensus on rewording it. DiverseMentality 08:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be best. I don't try to be unreasonable, I just don't know what else to do about it. Ratizi1 (talk) 08:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Starting a discussion is definitely the way to start, and I've already started it here. Wikipedia is about collaboration and working with others, after all. DiverseMentality 08:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Now that i think about it, if the chronology was only allowed to show studio albums, then how would that work for EP's? EP albums use the same infobox as studio albums and therefore also include the release chronology. if it links to the album next to it but it doesn't link back, but instead to the previous studio album, wouldn't it just make the time line look screwy and make the EP albums look completely insignificant because they're not counted in the album chronology? Ratizi1 (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

That's true, but I'm assuming only studio albums are allowed because most non-studio albums are usually not notable and don't merit an article, so linking to a redirect, a red link or not linking to any article at all would also cause problems. DiverseMentality 08:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting we link to redirects, I'm saying that all the releases and artist makes that have an article worth of merit should be included in a side by side chronology instead of skipping over them. Whether or not you believe non studio albums are worth an article is a different discussion. Ratizi1 (talk) 08:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

That's an interesting point you've brought, but if it were that way, wouldn't it be a little strange skipping albums that don't merit articles, thus not correctly following chronology? DiverseMentality 08:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you're confused by what I mean. EP's, Live albums, studio albums, remix and holiday albums all are equal in my eyes. I never said they don't deserve articles because in fact, I think they do. An extensive coverage on each album independently. Some articles are shorter than what I would like but that doesn't mean they aren't worth an article. Now back on subject, since they are all albums regardless if they are dubbed studio or whatever they are albums and all albums should be side by side in a time line. Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Ratizi1 (talk) 08:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, but what your view of notability is different from our notability policy and notability guideline. Often, it's actually quite difficult to make extensive coverage on an album like a mixtape or EP when it's not covered by any third-party reliable sources, if at all, which brings me back the the notability and verifiability policies. DiverseMentality 08:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

An EP (at least the kind I've seen) aren't just random drops like a single. The one I've been talking about is Irreemplazable which had plenty of coverage, a TV special, two music videos, a number one hit in Spain and top 200 album charting. I've been saying EP a lot but I'm talking about any non studio album release. Albums like J to tha L-O!: The Remixes. You can't say that this non-studio album is not worth notability. As a remix album (under your logic) it wouldn't be important enough to put in the chronology of Jennifer Lopez but this album gave Ms. Lopez 2 top ten hits and charted considerably well. All I'm saying is that making chronology studio albums only is a bit redundant. Go check out Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Albums, singles and songs Ratizi1 (talk) 08:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know there are a handful of non-studio albums that are notable, like the ones you pointed out above. The current WikiProject does state only studio albums should be in the chronology, and it has been like that for as long as I've been here, and far longer, I'm sure. Even though we were originally on the topic of the wording, you should present your case of your version of the chronology on the talk page and see what others think. But as for now, we should respect and follow the WikiProject as it is; if you're able the gain a consensus on your version of the chronology, then things can be changed accordingly, but for now, it's best to go along as it says, and state your case to change consensus. Until then, I can't really do much except point out that the project currently works one way, not the other. DiverseMentality 09:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I've never been to good with wording so even though I know what I want it to say, I don't know a way to make it sound like a helpful instruction as part of a guideline. Ratizi1 (talk) 09:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to help get your point across if others don't completely understand (despite the fact I'm against it ), but I'm still willing to help you. DiverseMentality 09:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I knew you were against what I was saying. Hehe, remember. As a Wikipedian we have to be a neutral as possible. Ratizi1 (talk) 09:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I am being neutral, I just have an opinion is all. We just have to remember it's a community decision, and we'll have to wait to see what others say. Now, as it's past one a.m. where I live, I'm going to bed and will check up on the discussion in the morning. DiverseMentality 09:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I have a concern with your latest update to the documentation, please see problem and proposed fix here. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 10:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

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Hush Hush

Please stop reverting File:Hush hush; hush hush cover.jpg to the version that says "Feat. Nicole". The record company have removed it from the official cover of the single. Orane (talk) 00:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Why did you upload the cover which says featuring Nicole? The record label (as explained above) removed it and stopped referring to the song as being released with Nicole being featured. Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:47, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

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Broken-Hearted Girl

just wanted 2 know if u will upload a picture of the music video? and a sample of the song?Ladgy (talk) 06:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

oh ok then but with the video pic i just think that it will be good for it and it gives a chance to expand the article, a little more and for people to see how it looks and it also portrays a bit of the video.Ladgy (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Their can be a Critical reception and Promotion and a chart performance in the article like sweet dreams but critcal is going to wait, but with promotion it can be that it has been the most played song in aussie radio and on the front page of aussie i tunes and thier has been some twitter going around, but twitter is not that reliable. chart performence is easy it is 74 on itunes top songs and increasing also their can be a sample of the song too.Ladgy (talk) 06:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

yeah i know im just saying thats all but with the sample leave it too me just tell me where on the aritcle you want it and ill upload itLadgy (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Knowles discography

Hi Ratizi1, well, her discography singles does not match that of her template material, and vice-versa. Something's not right here. These should be the same with one another, though which is correct? Might you take a look at the discography and compare it with the two templates you created three years ago. Maybe the discography is wrong, I don't know. Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hush Hush; Hush Hush

Agreed when the song was first released it did state that it featured Nicole Scherzinger and that cover unvieled. However it was removed by the record label. As shown here:

• http://www.amazon.com/Hush/dp/B00299AQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1277688673&sr=8-1
• http://www.7digital.com/artists/the-pussycat-dolls/doll-domination-the-mini-collection/06-Hush-Hush-Hush-Hush/
• http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewVideo?id=322232158&s=143444
• http://www.amazon.fr/dp/B002IT7JT6

Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your explaination. Your situation with multiple accounts should be resolved with administrators simply so that in the future you dont get accused of sock puppetry. With regards to Hush Hush and single covers in general only the actual single cover released with the song should appear in the article as it is the final work of art that fans see. There is a whole section in the article which explains the controversy and removal of 'Featuring Nicole Scherzinger' so this does not need to be re-emphasised with an image. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Beyonce - Halo.png

The reason I changed the image is because this particular cover is used in more places than the image you have presented. The American iTunes store uses the same cover with extra wording on it and even the CD single I myself own is the cover exactly as I have uploaded. It's a scan. I have three versions of the single in my possession and they all use the exact same cover. I haven't seen this version before so I don't understand why it's more appropriate. RatiziOne^contribs 05:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Could you be more explicit with "the Americas" because the other cover is used in all Europe, as well Japan, US, Canada and Mexico. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 06:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not but I know the cover I'm using is also used in the UK. Seeing as she is an American artist, wouldn't the cover used in the states and other English speaking nations be the most relevant? RatiziOne^contribs 06:32, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you are wrong with the UK thing, and just because in Japan the English is not de facto does not mean that is not a relevant market. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 06:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is used in the UK. I'm not saying it's de facto but it probably does matter when the fact is her record label is US based. RatiziOne^contribs 06:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually that cover is from the imported single. Sony UK says other thing. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 06:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

File:Eh Eh Lady GaGa.jpg

Rather than having an upload war, why don't you upload this cover separately, and add it to the article as a alternative cover? Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the "Eh, Eh" cover that that user uploaded is not a official first cover of "Eh, Eh". Come on, don't do that war, friend!! >:D< - †hinhin_of_you / buzzworthy / βoy Ünder Ғlowers / Mons†er Ғierce 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Why Don't You Love Me

Please participate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Why_Don't_You_Love_Me_(Beyonc%C3%A9_Knowles_song)#Single.3F Jivesh boodhun (talk) 06:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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Beyoncé

You might wanna take a look here. Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I have created the WikiProject, if you want to join add your name at Wikipedia:WikiProject Beyoncé Knowles. Thanks, Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:42, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Take a look here

Take a look here. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Wiki-project

Please see here... Notice about recent GAs -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 06:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Broken-Hearted Girl

Re your edit: the cover is public domain, so it does not need to "significantly increase readers' understanding", as it is not non-free. I have undone your edit. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

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Discussion

Could you please comment at Talk:Heat (EP)#Split Fever? Thanks. Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:43, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Dangerously in Love

Hi. Can you tell me where Beyonce performed the song for the first time? I saw the link but i am getting confused. Was it at an award show? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course. I really like it when people work on Beyonce articles. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually i told you this because i have no idea of how to fix such articles. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

The article is shaping up slowly but surely. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I will add all missing references tomorrow. Just send me a note so that i remember to fix up the remaining issues. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:13, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Ratizi, please do not mind. Can you add the live performance of "Dangerously in Love". I really do not know how to insert it. I mean, the MTV News article is so huge. I do not know what to rad, what to select and so on. Please. do it whenever you get time. It does not matter if you cannot format the reference. I will do it myself. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:16, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Thread on solicitation of others in !voting

Hi. This is a courtesy notification to user Jivesh boodhun, user Ratizi, admin Andrewa, and admin User:Kww. ( I've posted this identical message to each of these four user-talk pages. ) I'd like to let you know that I created a talk-page section entitled "Solicitation concerns" about an article or matter that you've been involved with previously, and that I think may be of interest to you. I've added this page to my own watchlist, temporarily, in order to not miss any response you might make here, but I'd prefer to keep all comments on the talk page for the "Dangerously in Love 2" article, if possible. Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 05:38, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

B'Day Deluxe edition track listing

The track listings are correct now; [1] is the US/Canada and [2] is the international one. You won't find any with Still in Love because it has been removed after the lawsuit. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Whoops, I had US and international around the wrong way. I fixed it now, and added the missing international tracks. As for your friends not getting "Still in Love", that would be because of the lawsuit. Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

OK then, change away! It seems kinda weird though.... Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

We don't usually have to provide cites for track listings. Anyway, international sources won't confirm that there was no Still in Love because it hasn't changed! Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

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Voices of Peach in time

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"Party"'s release date

Please participate and help clear the confusion here. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 05:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Please let us know what you think

My friend, as you know, Beyonce's new album 4 is being handled in a catastrophic way (i do not know if this is a correct word). Please voice your opinion here so that we can decide which format will suit "Party" that best. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Another discussion, this time regarding "Love on Top"

First of all, my sincere thanks for your participation in previous Beyonce-related discussion. I request you to please weigh your opinion here. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 06:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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You are welcome and thanks. But what happened? Any worries in real life? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

You can talk to me with no hesitation. You might feel better. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Ate you on the Wikipedia forum? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I learned about it a week ago. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hurricane Beyonce caused a power failure! --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Just wondering this, I was the one who moved the article to TaeTiSeo because I thought it was a more complete name than TTS, I think the group is also being addressed to as TaeTiSeo in Korean. I looked at the info box and the hanja also has it as TaeTiSeo. So just want to know the rationale for TTS over TaeTiSeo? Let me know. Thanks so much. --TerryAlex (talk) 03:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I see, thanks--TerryAlex (talk) 03:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so for TaeTiSeo's new reality show, what do you think we should call it, "The TaeTiSeo" or "The TTS"? because the "The TTS" just sounds extremely weird...--TerryAlex (talk) 07:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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