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Page move

Hi Reading Bean, trust you're doing just fine as always :-). Please help me move this page User:Vanderwaalforces/Edo literature to the Edo literature, I have confirmed that that page is a redirect to a section which the anchor no longer exist in the target page. Also, looking at Special:WhatLinksHere/Edo literature theres thankfully only one link, which can be easily delinked. The aim is to make way for the article. I find that page more appropriate because it's Languagename language -> Languagename literature, for example, Hausa language -> Hausa literature, Igbo language -> Igbo literature, etc. Sorry for the bother. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I have delinked it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
@Vanderwaalforces, it is done. You can place a deletion on your userpage (if you want; I think you should). Best, Reading Beans (talk) 23:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I will Vanderwaalforces (talk) 00:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability tag + marking as reviewed

Hello, I've noticed that you're marking some articles as NPP reviewed and then adding a notability maintenance tag, as seen in articles like Impact 1000, Area Scatter, Fedir Tyshchuk, Da Doggone Daddy-Daughter Dinner Dance, Saint Luke church, Zolotnyky, and Bohdan Seniuk. Usually, when an article has notability issues, we should send it to AfD. Could you please share more details about your process? Thank you in advance. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 08:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

DreamRimmer, when I think an article is not notable, I usually nominate them for deletion, when I think that some sources online or offline could be added, I add a notability tag, so that someone will do some digging. I should have moved Area Scatter to draftspace but refrained from doing so because of a discussion I had with Joe Roe, but, there are sources online and offline to support his notability as a cross dresser and musician, hence, the tag.
When JohnB123 was patrolling my pages during my early days here, this was his modus operandi. Adding the tag made me add more sources to the topic.
I am not so convinced that the sources in Impact 1000 are reliable but there are sources out there and so, I can’t nominate it for deletion. I have no prejudice with anyone removing the tag. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 08:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
@DreamRimmer: Sorry for jumping in, but I think Reading Beans is correct here. {{Notability}} and related tags indicate that a topic may not be notable, and adds it to a maintenance queue for somebody to do a source check in the future. To send the article to AfD, the reviewer would have to have done the source check themselves (per WP:BEFORE) and concluded that the topic is not notable. That's often not worth the effort given NPP's 'triage' focus, so adding a notability tag and marking as reviewed is a common practice. It's actually specifically mentioned in Wikipedia:New pages patrol#Notability. – Joe (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
DreamRimmer asked me to take a look at this. I agree with DreamRimmer here. It is the NPP's job to research the notability of the article and make a decision on it. Placing the notability tag after doing such research doesn't seem like a good idea since it is encouraging double work. There isn't some in between where the NPP should be doing some kind of "limited" check then putting it in a queue for a more thorough check. The NPP should do the thorough check. If the NPP is unsure due to unfamiliarity with that genre of article, the article should be left in the queue for a different reviewer. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
If the NPP is unsure due to unfamiliarity with that genre of article, the article should be left in the queue for a different reviewer.—this is why I added the tag. If I left it, someone else would still review it. With the notability tag present; a non-NPR can add sources to the article; the article creator could add sources. That's it. Also, my edits are not disruptive to involve other editors to "look at it". Best, Reading Beans (talk) 09:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
While reviewers certainly have the option of doing an in-depth notability checks on every article, I'm quite sure that it has never either been an expectation that this is always done, either in terms of the written guidelines or what experienced reviewers actually do. It's not double work but triage—deferring time-consuming and lower-priority checks for subsequent processes—which has always been the modus operandi of NPP. We need to be careful to avoid scope creep from "you can do this" to "you should do this" to "you have to do this", or we will have never-ending backlogs. But this is becoming a larger discussion than belongs on Reading Bean's talk page. – Joe (talk) 09:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I believe there is a {{Sources exist}} template available for articles that may have offline or online sources. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 10:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
No, as it says, that template is for if you already know there sufficient sources to show notability, but they're not cited in the article. – Joe (talk) 10:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I don't think it was canvassing because, back in my early days, I asked Novem and other friendly NPP Discord members a bunch of questions, including this one. They kindly provided answers, so I reached out to Novem again for clarification. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 10:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Igbo literature

Hello! Your submission of Igbo literature at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Storye book (talk) 10:33, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Update. I have now realised that, according to your user page, you have two DYKs, so no QPQ is required, and the nomination has passed the review. Well done! You might still like to look at the comments on the nomination page, though. All the best. Storye book (talk) 17:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for attending swiftly to this. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Trendupp Awards

Heyyy!!! I wanted to see if you can help take a look at this draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Trendupp_Awards I submitted for review. I'm still looking at ways to make it better. However, I really believe it is ready to be published. Kindly help take a look if you can as this will also improve my editing as well. Thank you very much. Olakunle Rufai (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi @Olakunle Rufai I want to personally go through the article and see what I can do in fixing things up because if I saw it on mainspace as it is now, I would have draftify. Reading Beans would still do the honour of deciding though, she's the reviewer here :) I'm just tryna help. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Oh Great! Thank you. I am also trying to fix up as much as possible. I've been told there are parts that sounds promotional so I'm on it. Thanks for the help. Olakunle Rufai (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
@Olakunle Rufai I have actually done general clean-up on the article though, I have remove/replace a lot of promotional puff on the article. If Reading Beans come online and get to it before anyone else, I believe she would give it a go. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
I can see that now. Thanks so much for helping out. Olakunle Rufai (talk) 17:08, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
@Olakunle Rufai Great, looks like InterstellarGamer12321 got to it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Thank you all for the collaborative spirit exhibited. Happy editing y'all. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 19:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Ayo I just wanted to say thanks for reviewing all my articles that have been sitting in the backlog for months or years, was kind of waiting on the checkmark and I can't review my own articles so I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate it cuh. EytanMelech (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

No problem, EytanMelech. Thank you for all the great work you've created. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 08:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Your interest in literature

Hi there, Reading Beans, and thanks for all your articles about literature, especially in connection with Nigeria and elsewhere in Africa. I see quite of number are about books written by women. If you intend to continue along these lines, you might be interested in becoming a member of WikiProject Women in Red where we are interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage of women and their works. You can sign up under "New registrations" on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members. In any case, keep up the good work. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 06:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ipigott, thank you for recommendation, I'll definitely sign up. But, I won't be able to add a userbox to my userpage; it does not tickle my fancy. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 08:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Thanks for signing up and welcome to the project. There's no need to add the user box but it would be useful if you could tag the talk pages of relevant articles with an appropriate WIR template. You are in fact joining at a good time as this month we have a priority on Sub-Saharan Africa for which the tag is {{WIR-286}}. If in addition to books by women, you would like to write biographies, you might find it useful to look at our essays, perhaps starting with our Ten Simple Rules. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing.--Ipigott (talk) 09:12, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2023

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Your GA nomination of Igbo literature

The article Igbo literature you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Igbo literature for comments about the article, and Talk:Igbo literature/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has never appeared on the Main Page as a "Did you know" item, and has not appeared within the last year either as "Today's featured article", or as a bold link under "In the news" or in the "On this day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear at DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On this day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Vanderwaalforces -- Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Vanderwaalforces thank you for attending swiftly to this. Concerning the list of authors, I could only add Chinụa Achebe only (an Igbo language anthology he published in 1982 in different dialects caused an uproar then). Ike, Emecheta, Nwapa, et al were Igbo writers who only drew their motifs from the Igbo culture and wrote in English language, you see. So, they are not considered as Igbo writers. All the best, Reading Beans (talk) 02:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Great! I had that in mind but just decided to mention. But, all the same, thanks for working on the article to the GA status! I really enjoyed what I read/reviewed. Maybe, someday, you should pick one or two articles from the list of pending GA reviews to review :)
Regards Vanderwaalforces (talk) 04:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
@Vanderwaalforces, ofcourse. Just that I have a lot on my plate; closing requested moves and new page reviewing. All the same, thank you. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 05:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Categorisation

Hi, Reading Beans, errm, this particular article I am drafting, I don't know what and what categories I should place on it o, User:Vanderwaalforces/Muslim–Muslim Ticket. I fit don move am go Muslim–Muslim ticket b4 you come see am, Lol, I don't even know, where do you think it fits in? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces, make I check the article fess. I go give you feedback. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 15:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
okay Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
I don check am. Add Category:Elections in Nigeria when you move am. Nice creation! Best, Reading Beans (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Oya naw, thanks! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
no issues. Reading Beans (talk) 16:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Just an FYI, Mitchell don dash temporary pagemover and autopatrolled put for my account after I request for here WP:RPERM, see how I don dey move pages sufficiently and I no dey disturb you for "mark as reviewed" again. Lol, I guess I am using my rights "with sense". Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
lol. Congratulations btw. Your dedication is worthy of emulation; they suppose do am permanently. Sadly, I can't be the first to see your creations, JK. Happy editing. Reading Beans (talk) 18:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
lol, thank you jare. I will keep editing :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
@Vanderwaalforces, afa, make e no be like say I disturb you fah. Do you by chance, have access to this article https://www.si.edu/object/siris_sil_761208 . It will aid me in creating my next GA Iru Mgbede. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Fattening room in Nigeria, someone created something like this, which is similar. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
No na, you no dey disturb me jare. Make I look fes, or you go develop on that one wey you pwuent out? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I no sure say I go develop am. Ịrụ Mgbede na part of Igbo kulture and I go treat am as one. I still dey gather one or two informato wey I go carry run the page. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Okay na. dat buk, e no get ISBN, DOI, or e no dey for JSTOR, e dey hard me to get because I no sure say e get any identifier at all. If u know weda e get you fit drop the identifier here so dat I go use am try. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I don check sotey, I no see anything. Anyhow, no issues, make I put on pending, we go follow talk later. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 03:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Omo, I no sure say e get, no wahala sha, anyhow. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:47, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Yo RB, be like Benin Moat don land :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Choi! No be small thing o. You don try abeg. I owe you one bottle of Star Radler for this great. Ain’t easy. Igbalia. Reading Beans (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
The next thing na to file for DYK, look for an interesting fact and use as a hook. Hook must be verifiable. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 22:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Lmao, thanks. DYK within the next seven days bah? No wahala. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Omo, I get some funny funny suggestions, I no know the one wey make sense pass sha, jus see them;

  1. … that the Benin Moat, an ancient defensive fortification around Benin City in Nigeria, was recognised by the Guinness Book of World Records in 1974 as one of the world’s largest man-made structures by length
  2. … that the Benin Moat encircled an area of about 6,500 square kilometres (2,500 sq mi), which is larger than the size of Delaware
  3. … that the Benin Moat was built by the Edo people over several centuries, starting from around 800 AD and continuing until 1460 AD
  4. … that the Benin Moat was described by Olfert Dapper in his book Description of Africa in 1668 as the Great Walls of Benin (for this one, e for make sense if I fit get the exact Dutch phrase wey the man use, I still dey find am because I dey try translate the entire chapter wey he take describe the kingdom of benin generally, I never see anything wey relate to moat, walls, encirclements, etc, I still dey look.)

--Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

is there any source for number 2? I dey ask cuz me sef no sabi who Olfert Dapper be (and an everyday person would not want to know). Reading Beans (talk) 13:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Be like na to just find source for the exact area of Delaware then use the one for Benin Moat take support Benin Moat own, abi how you see am? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
no o. The source must say, "Benin Moat is twice the size of Delaware". Best, Reading Beans (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
lmao, where I wan see that one? omo, that one is out then, make I look another one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hello. Help improvements for acticle Akane Yamaguchi. Thanks you. 27.64.221.154 (talk) 06:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I’m not really into editing sport articles. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 06:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Omo!

I see one funny thing today, so I con dey interested in creating article about PFN, I con first check weda anitin like dat dey. I con see say the artiku fess dey b4 but one admin delete am because na blocked/banned user create am. Shey me fit create am again ni? I know say I fit o, but as e involve sock, I no fit shat o... lmao Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

even if you create am now, e get socks wey go use am as leverage for UPE. Find anoda topic fah, maybe, in later years, you fit run am. I no wan make dem dey microscope you too much. You dey precious to me and Nigeria abeg. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 13:53, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
No truth you talk jare. The draft dey my userspace, so, make e dey dia for now, after all, I get many article wey dey my userspace wey I even need to work on, so, nothing to lose. Omo, you no know di way I dey admire you naim make. Na so me sef take value you for this space pass anything. Naim make I no dey allow your talk page rest >.< hahaha Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
as Naija people, make we dey rugged. *Hugs* Reading Beans (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
four days after and I still don't know what to nominate for DYK regarding Benin Moat >.< Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Use hook number two. The reviewer may suggest a better hook. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Abi, na that numba two dey my mind too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
No vex o, na number three I been wan talk. No vex. Reading Beans (talk) 18:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Omo, na dat number two be dey my mind jare. Make we dey look sha, maybe tomorrow or next, I go nominate any of dem. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
No wahala. Make we dey look. Reading Beans (talk) 19:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Na hook three I come later use Template:Did you know nominations/Benin Moat Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
The nomination has been reviewed and approved. Congratulation! Reading Beans (talk) 10:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Ahan, sheybi I for receive notification for TP naw? Anyways, thanks for notifying me, the final stage of the DYK takes almost forever, lol. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Dem no dey notify. Igbo literature wey I nominate since still two weeks ago dey here. Dem never promote am. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 11:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Omo! Na wa Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I need help!

i want to create an article on Denis Chidi Isizoh. I just come gather too much source for him but I am afraid of being blocked. What do I do. Should I create it .

Babcock Uni (talk) 14:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. He’s notable. But, becareful not to violate neutral point of view or use it for advertisement and promotional services. Just an unharmful question though: have you been blocked before? Best, Reading Beans (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
I was blocked long ago but I decided not to edit on Wikipedia again but fate had it on me to keep on my writing skills and what I love to do. Thanks. Babcock Uni (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Ember months

errm Ember months, I surprise say e neva enta Wikipedia, abi this my own na duplicate? becos I no see anyone b4 Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Ọmọ! This thing never cross my mind before now. You don try. No be small. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 18:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Me don schedule am since, I just dey check di entaya wiki weda e dey for anoda title :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
You don try abeg. See if you fit see source for Ibeme clan I wan write about am. Or, if I give you book title, you fit provide the book chapter? Reading Beans (talk) 18:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Wia di book fess? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Aba and British Rulep:25. This book History of Ukwa/Ngwa People and Aba Town: Once Upon a Time in whole. Also, Peoples and Cultures of Africa: An Anthropological Reader-Pg. 196. Make we start from there. Reading Beans (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Okay, I go find dem as soon as possible. E fit take days sha :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Akure–Benin War

Omo, this article show me pepper o >.<. The kind research wey I do for this one, I never do am before o, lmao. Welp, I guess I have learned. Because I come tire sef. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Lol. I been dey follow una smoh smoh. Hope everything dey  Verified now, bah? Reading Beans (talk) 16:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I don try do the necessary things, I just had to create time for it for accuracy. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@Vanderwaalforces, when you have time, check Ngwa. I'm thinking of moving it to Ngwa people. Reading Beans (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
At first glance and to maintain consistency and brevity, it better be moved, since every language (at least, in Nigeria) is Languagename language and Languagename people. It should make sense, and the move should be unproblematic too of done without a discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
@Vanderwaalforces, check the history for the revamp I did. I wan raise am to GA. How u think say e go go? Shebi I need smoh work to do untop am? Reading Beans (talk) 05:42, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Okay, make I chek am. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:20, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
The revision before your revamp compared to what the article is now, mhen, is a good work. I checked the versions vis-a-vis and there were lots of improvements you did. Kudos! I bin wan edit the artikul but I for like review the GA nom wen time reach :), so I no edit ;). Regarding the GA tin, shey, you know any artikul of this type/topic wey be GA currently? becos I don find taya, I no see. E for gud if you see any wan as guide. Especially for coverage-wise, also, even if you see or you no see, any important/noteworthy detail wey you see for the sources wey you use, you fit just add them. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
I go add them. I wan add a lot of things for economy, history (to reflect modern time) and somethings for culture. Save for that, everything seems fine. For GA, see Category:GA-Class Ethnic groups articles. Nezak Huns was reviewed in July 2023. Reading Beans (talk) 14:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Nice! Thanks for pointing to that cat. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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@Narutolovehinata5, thank you for the notification. The nomination can be closed. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - November 2023

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