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Bias
How am I engaged in a revert war with an user that removes whole sourced paragraphs because the facts do not suit his views? How is this even legal on Wikipedia [1], despite the fact that it runs clearly contrary to the Wikipedia's policies? Paragraphs are sourced with a scholary books and articles from trusted sources (such as The International Review). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.72.109 (talk) 21:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @203.220.72.109: Then cite me the policies that you say you know so well...TJH2018talk 21:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- How is an entire unsourced section about "ISIL" views relevant or in accordance with Wikipedia NPOV standards, for example? Does every single article here need a section about ISIL's view (or whoever religious fanatic's) on the subject? Hardly. And you have made no attempt to discuss these major, POV changes on the talk page. FunkMonk (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's not allowed to remove whole paragraphs from Wikipedia that are sourced with scholarly works and websites. FunkMonk does not allow any opinion that says that Alawites aren't Twelver Shias, despite them not being described as such by numerous Shia Twelver scholars in the past. And I'm talking about ahadith collectors such as al Tusi, not politicians like Khomeini. Not everybody agrees that they are Twelver Shiites and this should be stated in the article (it's stated for example that they arent Muslims at all by the Wahhabi scholars, its stated that they are Twelvers by some MODERN DAY Shia scholars). This is the true bias. By the same reasoning, majority of Sunni scholars do not consider Ahmadiyya Sunni Muslims, some consider them Sunnis and it is outlined in the article on Ahmadiyya. The fact that Alawites aren't Twelvers was outlined in discussion numerous times, you have a clearly defined agenda to keep them labeling as Twelver Shias and it is clearly visible, but do not remove sourced material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.72.109 (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- It is irrelevant what I "allow", what matters is that what you add is backed up by reliable sources, and is not given WP:Undue weight. And a section does not need a gazillion subsections with POV titles. And the opinion of ISIL and fundamentalist scholars is completely irrelevant especially when not backed up by sources. If you want to discuss content, do it on the talk page of the article in question, this is not the place for it. FunkMonk (talk) 22:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Stop talking about the IS section that was only one sentence. We are talking about the scholarly sourced material saying that Alawites are not Twelvers. You constantly deny them and remove them from the article. Twelver opinions on Alawites:
- It is irrelevant what I "allow", what matters is that what you add is backed up by reliable sources, and is not given WP:Undue weight. And a section does not need a gazillion subsections with POV titles. And the opinion of ISIL and fundamentalist scholars is completely irrelevant especially when not backed up by sources. If you want to discuss content, do it on the talk page of the article in question, this is not the place for it. FunkMonk (talk) 22:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- 1)Twelver Shi’ite heresiographers regarded the Alawis as ghulat, “those who exceed” all bounds in their deification of Ali. The Alawis, in turn, held Twelver Shi’ites to be muqassira, “those who fall short” of fathoming Ali’s divinity.
- 2)Little binds the Iranian Shia, known as Twelvers, with the Alawi Shia who rule Syria. The ninth-century founder of the Alawi sect was an adherent of the eleventh of the Twelvers’ religious leaders. He promoted doctrines that were incompatible with Twelverism and was declared an infidel by medieval Twelver scholars. Later Alawi theologians went even farther, abrogating many of Islamic laws such as fasting during the month of Ramadan while advocating the non-Islamic concept of the transmigration of souls. They went so far as to deify Muhammad’s cousin Ali, claiming that he was the true recipient of the prophetic message. They adopted Christian and pagan holidays. These teachings did not sit well with medieval Twelver scholars. The tenth-century Twelver heresiographer Abu Muhammad al-Hassan ibn Musa al-Nawbakhti claimed the Alawi founder propagated the un-Islamic belief of the transmigration of souls and permitted homosexual relations. Jurists such as the eleventh-century scholar Muhammad bin al-Hassan al-Tusi accused the Alawis of heresy and cursed them for permitting what was forbidden. This suited the Alawis. They believed they were the true holders of the original Islamic message, and had little affection for Muslims who refused to follow them. The Twelvers viewed them as enemies, and in 1834 raised troops for the Ottomans to quash an Alawi revolt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.72.109 (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- This is not the place to discuss this. Start a section on the relevant talk page, so everyone can see it. In any case, seems you are generalising opinions to suit your own POV. FunkMonk (talk) 22:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- The discussion was started on numerous occasions but you ALWAYS deny ALL the sources that say that Alawites aren't Twelvers to suit your agenda and views. My POV is one, neutral Wikipedia. If there's a whole paragraph saying that Alawites arent Muslims by the Sunni scholars, then why there can't be one by the Shias? Because you like the idea of Alawites being Shia Twelvers despite numerous sources stating otherwise. Even the US diplomatic cable sent from Damascus said that there's a conflcit between Alawite scholars and the Twelver ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.72.109 (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's not allowed to remove whole paragraphs from Wikipedia that are sourced with scholarly works and websites. FunkMonk does not allow any opinion that says that Alawites aren't Twelver Shias, despite them not being described as such by numerous Shia Twelver scholars in the past. And I'm talking about ahadith collectors such as al Tusi, not politicians like Khomeini. Not everybody agrees that they are Twelver Shiites and this should be stated in the article (it's stated for example that they arent Muslims at all by the Wahhabi scholars, its stated that they are Twelvers by some MODERN DAY Shia scholars). This is the true bias. By the same reasoning, majority of Sunni scholars do not consider Ahmadiyya Sunni Muslims, some consider them Sunnis and it is outlined in the article on Ahmadiyya. The fact that Alawites aren't Twelvers was outlined in discussion numerous times, you have a clearly defined agenda to keep them labeling as Twelver Shias and it is clearly visible, but do not remove sourced material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.72.109 (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- How is an entire unsourced section about "ISIL" views relevant or in accordance with Wikipedia NPOV standards, for example? Does every single article here need a section about ISIL's view (or whoever religious fanatic's) on the subject? Hardly. And you have made no attempt to discuss these major, POV changes on the talk page. FunkMonk (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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Clios
Hi!
It looks like you undid some rewrites I tried to do on the Clios page. No problem, obviously, I just wanted to see what I was doing wrong. What does "manipulation of reffs" mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KungFuKarla (talk • contribs) 23:59, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- @KungFuKarla: Hi Karla, basically it means that you didn't update the references to back up your changes. Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes. TJH2018talk 00:02, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- I'm confused by what you mean. Someone had left a note on the page requesting that that part be rewritten in a more Wikipedia like tone. I attempted to do so, summarizing the existing content in a more encyclopedia-like way. What new references do you want me to add for that? Thanks! KungFuKarla (talk) 00:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- @KungFuKarla: You have to have a reference to back up any change you make. TJH2018talk 00:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- So, for example, if the content says, "A second fellow walked onstage and began talking, but he was not a polished speaker and it was obvious that we he was inebriated... When the last award in the category was dispensed, the band began playing an interlude and the emcee began singing. The audience began booing and throwing dinner rolls, and the drunk staggered offstage" and I change it to "A drunken second would-be emcee was booed from the stage", what kind of source would you suggest adding for that? It's the same information that's already in the existing sources, just rewritten to have a briefer and more professional tone, so I'm not sure why a third source is now required... KungFuKarla (talk) 00:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- (I don't mean to be argumentative--I just want to make sure I do it right next time!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KungFuKarla (talk • contribs) 00:13, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- So, for example, if the content says, "A second fellow walked onstage and began talking, but he was not a polished speaker and it was obvious that we he was inebriated... When the last award in the category was dispensed, the band began playing an interlude and the emcee began singing. The audience began booing and throwing dinner rolls, and the drunk staggered offstage" and I change it to "A drunken second would-be emcee was booed from the stage", what kind of source would you suggest adding for that? It's the same information that's already in the existing sources, just rewritten to have a briefer and more professional tone, so I'm not sure why a third source is now required... KungFuKarla (talk) 00:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- @KungFuKarla: You have to have a reference to back up any change you make. TJH2018talk 00:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- I'm confused by what you mean. Someone had left a note on the page requesting that that part be rewritten in a more Wikipedia like tone. I attempted to do so, summarizing the existing content in a more encyclopedia-like way. What new references do you want me to add for that? Thanks! KungFuKarla (talk) 00:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue CXXII, May–June 2016
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Speedy deletion nomination of Citanduy River
A tag has been placed on Citanduy River requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.
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Quora
Why did you revert my edit? I was just reverting to the last stable version by User:FeralOink. I am going to do it again. 183.83.5.231 (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- @183.83.5.231: Because all of your edits are unconstructive, and your edit summary was innappropriate. TJH2018talk 00:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
All of my edits are unconstructive? Hahaha. You compare the edits of FeralOink and Wikidemon. FeralOink removed problematic references about Quora from Quora and Wikidemon just restored all of them. I added three constructive references on Moderation and Wikidemon removed them all. Learn a thing or two about AGF, my good man. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2005, just so you know. 183.83.5.231 (talk) 00:36, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- @183.83.5.231: How is TechCruch not a verifiable reference? Hmmm smart-guy? Just because you say you have been editing since '05 doesn't mean you have. Off to AIV with you! TJH2018talk 00:38, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Length of a Kinki Sharyo SLRV
I'm not quite sure of this, but I believe the length of a Kinki Sharyo SLRV to be 123 feet 6 inches (37.64 m) and an original LRV (which didn't have the low-floor "C" car) to be 92 feet 8 inches (28.24 m). I'm looking principally at the Kinki Sharyo technical data and DART's factsheet for these figures. I think the confusion is coming from the fact that the SLRVs are articulated three-car "vehicles" that are commonly referred to as "cars". As far as I can tell, one three-car vehicle is the shortest train that DART can run, while the maximum theoretical length a train could be (due to platform length) is four vehicles, a total of 12 cars. I'd greatly appreciate you taking a second look at the numbers before I try to clarify them on the article. (I've additionally contacted Peter Horn, who has also edited the article, about this issue.) Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
Done: This issue has now been resolved. Sorry to bother you. All the best! Michael Barera (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Michael Barera: Oh, no worries! I have been pretty busy with work lately. Also, I don't know much about the SLRV, as I only took the info from the datasheet and put it in the infobox, since I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject. Sorry for the late response! Best, TJH2018talk 00:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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Orlando
There is no reference from Washington post. This info comes from Russian owned http://sputniknews.com and re=quoted by Daily news. It is a slander. It has no place here. Turkish govt expressed condolences. Erdogan can not be associated with Al Qaeda. Please remove. Check the links and see no Wash Post. §Jake vela (talk) 20:29, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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Incorrect Flag on an IP
You made some flag comment on an IP that shows up for me. I made no such changes, and I always log in under my user name (billymac00). Within the past few weeks someone also tried to block the (my?) IP, so I don't know what's going on at all. I am just a wikignome, nearly exclusively marking&fixing bad links. I definitely don't appreciate others associating changes I didn't make to me, that's for sure. I really don't know how or what to do about this. I've been a member for years. The concerned IP is 216.252.198.54? The curious thing is I do live in the Blacksburg area, so it's someone else closeby I guess. My internet is through nrvunwired.net. --Billymac00 (talk) 02:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- geez, I figured it out after speaking with the internet provider. As she told me, she claimed "many of our customers" would show as the same dynamic IP address. Anyway, I requested, and am now at a static IP. That should resolve things.--Billymac00 (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series_(G11)#Engines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.105.247.201 (talk) 22:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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Trippe edit
It was already explained as keyboard error and editing with a smart phone. Edit summary, undue weight: the incident was minor in Trippe's career relative to his other achievements, and culpability not established. 107.77.194.136 (talk) 17:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- For the final time, you're removing sourced content without a valid explanation. Figure it out, and learn how to speak English. TJH2018talk 17:05, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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Adam Mitchell (footballer, born 1996)
A7 wasn't the right tag here: it said he plays for Red Star Belgrade, which is certainly a claim of importance, and indeed gives automatic notability if true. If it seemed plausible, the right tag would have been a BLP-prod; however, it seemed unlikely enough for me to check here and here, and I don't see his name in the squad lists, so I have deleted it as g3 blatant hoax. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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Reported
I have reported you to administrators for claiming I vandalized pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.228.159 (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. , hopefully this will make it clearer as to where your attention is needed. Mr rnddude (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Mr rnddude: It was a mistake, I didn't realize it was a user's talk page. AFK for 15 minutes, and shit hits the fan. Gheesh...TJH2018talk 18:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- That's all very well and fine. I didn't say it was intentional, I only meant to try and defuse the situation by clearing up the issue. Unfortunately nobody in particular is listening so, just carry on with whatever you were doing and don't worry about AN/I you are not in any trouble. Have a nice day. Mr rnddude (talk) 18:41, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- I know I'm not in trouble. At this point, I think we all know what the IP's fate is...TJH2018talk 18:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah... you're fine, man. We all do it. Hell, I've done it many times :-). The IP is clearly 100% over-reacting, and is using your mistake to fuel and make a justification for his incivility. Sorry you had to step into that mud puddle and get your foot wet over it. Don't let it get to you; nobody is perfect and that kind of reaction and behavior that he made towards you was much, much worse than your small and honest blip that you made on him. *shrugs* - Oh well! :-D ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- I know I'm not in trouble. At this point, I think we all know what the IP's fate is...TJH2018talk 18:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- That's all very well and fine. I didn't say it was intentional, I only meant to try and defuse the situation by clearing up the issue. Unfortunately nobody in particular is listening so, just carry on with whatever you were doing and don't worry about AN/I you are not in any trouble. Have a nice day. Mr rnddude (talk) 18:41, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Mr rnddude: It was a mistake, I didn't realize it was a user's talk page. AFK for 15 minutes, and shit hits the fan. Gheesh...TJH2018talk 18:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Clearing up the issue at AN/I
Hello there, I'd like to make a clarification of WP policy regarding vandalism and the use of a person's own talk page. This is in response to [2] Per WP:UP#OWN a user may freely remove almost anything from their page, this include warning templates and the such. There are only a few exceptions to this rule, as listed on the policy page I linked you. If an editor removes a warning or comment from their talk page please don't re-instate it, regardless of whether the warning was placed correctly or not. Thank you, and happy editing. Mr rnddude (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Mr rnddude, I think that TJH2018 is well aware of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. His reversion was a simple miss-click and performed completely on accident. Let's let up a little on him and let him breathe... :-). I'm sure he's heard what you just said at least four other times from other people; I think he gets it ;-). It's over; lets let him go about his business now... lol... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Oshwah: You realize you're responding to an hour old message? Mr rnddude (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Mr rnddude - HA! I got my time zones messed up in my head for some reason. I apologize; please excuse my idiot response. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:41, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Oshwah: You realize you're responding to an hour old message? Mr rnddude (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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