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Semantics

But according to Webster's, homonym is the same thing as homophone, right? Not sure why it needed to be corrected, lol. Weren't you right either way? ^Ariel♥Gold 03:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

That's what you get for being popular! ^Ariel♥Gold 04:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

sometimes it's better to just agree, when it's not the issue at hand. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 04:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

So true. And I can't help it if I'm bored and hitting the refresh button every 2 seconds! ^Ariel♥Gold 04:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You have the adium duck on your userpage. Are you a mac user? — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 04:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

No clue what an adium is, I just know the duck is cute! I wanted to use this picture I drew, but it didn't look as good as a navbar, so I went with the cute duck! ^Ariel♥Gold 04:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Adium is a multiprotocol IM client (so a single program handles AIM, Yahoo, MSN, and a number of others) for Apple Macs. But you're apparently not a Mac user. Poor soul. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 04:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Only used them for graphics software stuff back in the old days, before Photoshop worked with Windows. But I'm not a fan of any IM stuff, and rarely use it, so eh ~*Shrug*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 04:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes

Thank you for that tracking. I appreciate it. I will now change the code (template). BritandBeyonce 06:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm back, and I replied

Sorry, had to go do some stuff for a bit, I replied to your question on my talk page. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Replied again, dear. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I know, I watch! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 03:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL Okay, and I write a column for another site, that's due every Sunday, so I had to go do that. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

WTF

Go back and read the vandalsm, and then my remarks to the vandal. Your injunction was neither called for nor welcome. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I did read both the vandalism and your response. Returning incivility with more incivility is not productive. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 00:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :)

Someone vandalized my Userspace! But a little angel came along and fixed it! Thank you! Blair - Speak to me 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

sept 10

Hey well do you know how long i spent making that page? it took me hours to get all that information!! And now it is all wasted because it was deleted for no reason. I really want at least the stuff that I wrote, because I dont have any of that info anymore and I need it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nosskyline (talk • contribs) 03:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Erm, I have no idea what page you're talking about. I know that administrators can get the page back for you so you can get the content. As for why it was deleted, again, I don't know for sure, but it probably wasn't in line with wikipedia's policies. Let me know what it was, and I'll see if I can help you out further. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 03:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It was called Aleksandr Dyagilev. I would really appreciate it if you can find out how I can get the content back.. — Nosskyline —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nosskyline (talk • contribs) 16:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey thanks for getting me the page back. I got the content since they put it up for a short while. Once again thanks for helping me. — Nosskyline

Thanks

Thanks for removing the vandalism from my user page Thurls 08:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Someone vandalized my Userspace! But a little angel came along and fixed it! Thank you! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 15:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

That is one of the most awesome templates I have seen... thanks for making me realize it exists! Oh, and no problem. Gscshoyru 15:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

My dear Timothy

Oh God, dear Timothy, please, sweetie, relax - there's absolutely nothing wrong, and you've been charming, as always, I swear! It's just that, sometimes, I sincerely can't find the time to do everything I'd like on wiki, including messaging all my friends promptly. Between you and me, it gets somewhat hard to make myself time for my work, my precious daughter, my real life friends, and administrating at two Wikipedias, and attending all my emails and messages, both wiki-stuff related and from wiki-friends. Every now and then, I swear to you, baby, I feel like pulling my hair and screaming "AAAAHHHHH! Leave me alone!" Of course, just for a moment before I get back to editing ;) But one invariable truth about me is, no matter what, I always end up replying everyone, and dropping by uninvited at my friends' talk pages all the time - take my word for it ;) While I'm here, I'll make sure to give you the incredibly big hug I promised the other day, without the slightest intention of making your wife jealous: Hug! And mark my words, you'll end up kicking me away from your talk page! ;) Many xxx, Phaedriel - 19:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh that'd be awesome! Who do you have in mind? Phaedriel - 19:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds great! :) Maybe we should continue this by email...? Phaedriel - 20:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks

For the revert - I just realized you did that yesterday! Acroterion _(talk) 21:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for my revert too! Surfeited 05:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Re. DNEDS

The editing pattern, username, and close association of this editor with the long-running "Stop Drinking Soda" vandal is pretty self-evident, imho, so I indef blocked him based on some loud quacking evidence. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, hun! :) Have a beautiful day, Phaedriel - 23:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

And btw, yes I did get your email - replied back! :) Phaedriel - 23:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding to this message earlier, Timothy - I admit I got a little confused by it initially, promised to come back to it, and... kinda forgot :( Hope it's all resolved now! ~ Riana ⁂ 01:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay

Regarding the one WP:OR article you mentioned, I moved the unref tag to the top of the one page you mentioned (proper placement, if the article were longer, people would not see it immediately upon loading unless they scrolled, so those are placed either at the top of the page, or if it is a specific section without citations, in that section.) I also added {{reflist}} because none existed. Personally I'd like to see that article AfD'd, it is really unnecessary and could easily be merged into the existing article about um... that practice. (Yes I'm a prude and won't type it lol).

Okay, about the Elisha thing, keeping in mind there is no policy about flag use, and that page cited is only a "proposed guideline", so not even considered a guideline to follow. As such, there's not yet a consensus about what should, and should not be done regarding flag icons. And both parties, while not being helpful in the constant reverting that's happening daily, seem quite "set" in reverting the other, as you showed in the edit summaries. But they are also not violating the 3RR rule, so I'm really not sure what else you can do. I've left a comment, but I don't know how much it will help. I think that I'd avoid requesting page protection at this time, because it isn't a 3RR daily type of thing, but it is something perhaps that may be requested in the future if the issue cannot be solved. I'd say in this case, protection is a last resort, because due to the parties involved, full protection would be required, which would preclude anyone from improving the article at all, and that's not a good thing either. ^Ariel♥Gold 00:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh. I only commented because of the implications about the person adding it if it had indeed been WP:OR. As for Elisha, I'm aware that that page is only proposed, if it were not, I'd have been taking a stronger line. I thought an RFC might just get other users to take a look and make them realise how... trivial it all is. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 05:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd hate to see that end up at WP:LAME, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 05:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Update: Hopefully this will solve these issues. ^Ariel♥Gold 11:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: SineBot

Hi Timotab, thanks for the help. True, it says that it errs on the side of caution but I wonder what it is about my page that makes it so cautious as to never sign any unsigned comments on it. Anyway, let us wait and see if it will sign your comment. I will also leave this comment here unsigned to see what happens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kudret abi (talk • contribs) 06:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it worked on my talk too! I am so happy, I thought I was outcast for some reason :) Thanks for the help Timothy, take care --Kudret abi 06:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

typo

You are correct, I have made typos on the two talk page warnings aswell. I must need sleep! SGGH ^speak! 14:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Corrections/reversions != vandalism

Regarding the changes a User:Kung_Fu_Man, those were meant to correct a major innacuracy - the individual in question was never an administrator at the Mugen Guild forum as recently stated (he held positions as moderator and global moderator there, during which he even passed his account to a vandal for the forum to be deleted) - he if, however, and administrator at the Random Select forum. I simply corrected LC-DDM's innacurate statements, first by reverting the user page to an approximation of its previous version made by the user him self, later by removing the incorrect statements. 194.145.62.46 16:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

However, that is a User page. If you have an issue with something on someone's User page, you should take it up with them on their talk page. Modifying someone's user page (particularly while not logged in) often appears to be vandalism. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 16:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: JetLover's IP Abuser

Hi Timotab, sure I will keep an eye on it. I think his page got semi-protected now though. --Kudret abi 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You're awake!

So... what do you think of my formatting the discussions on that page? Good idea? Bad idea? I tried my hardest to find guidelines or policies for everything, but couldn't find one for the "years active" thing. Think any of that will do any good? ^Ariel♥Gold 14:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I've been sorely tempted to tell then not to be dicks about it. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 14:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, but you're not someone who would do that.

So do you think the thing I did, sectioning all that, is (or will be) helpful? ^Ariel♥Gold 14:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Er, yes, that's why I said "Good idea" above. :) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 15:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it is working so far. Even though I have no knowledge of this person, I find myself still watching the page, odd, huh? I'd never even heard of her before you showed me this, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 15:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Anna Wilding

Thanks for your comments. I don't think the original editors will win out on this. I have put a note on WP:Bio for their attention. The odd thing is, I think I probably quite like Anna Wilding! Itsmejudith 21:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we're heading for Dagenham Dock (two stops down the line from Barking). Itsmejudith 21:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Great idea. Intensive care should be for a short period only, then release the patient into the appropriate WikiProject. Itsmejudith 22:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Real77

Let's tackle the issue of Real77 or whatever his/her name is speaking in the first person plural all of the time. I no longer buy the, "oh, my wife walked into the room and I switched to the plural." KP Botany 23:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

This has to be Anna Wilding 97.84.205.239 01:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

My user page

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on it. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 03:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Email

Replied to your email. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh, didn't get it, checked spam folder too. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 03:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well you replied to me so I figured you got it, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 04:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, to clarify. I got your first email that asked me a question. I replied to that email, and I received your email that would indicate you got my reply, lol. I'm still reading the longer email you sent. ^Ariel♥Gold 04:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I got an email you sent through wikipedia, but not one that was a reply to my first email to you. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 04:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I sent two total. So I don't know what to tell ya dear. I'll try sending another one ^Ariel♥Gold 04:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrmmm

I can find no proof that this "minkrat" exists. The article claims the name is Mustela Rattus, but there are zero results for this [1] nor for alternate spelling of Mustela Ratus [2] or Mustella rattus/ratus. And the article states this species is either extinct in the wild, or critically endangered, but I find no such species on http://www.iucnredlist.org. Additionally, PolBot populates Wikipedia based on IUCN redlist information, and according to Mustela there is no such subspecies. Therefore, I'd suggest redirecting the article to Mustela. What do you think? ^Ariel♥Gold 03:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted as a hoax. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 03:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I'll take care of that I guess. I'm reading your email now too, gimme a bit to reply, you know how long winded I am! lol.. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You're confusing me. You said up there ^^ that you'd replied to it. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 04:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I've thought about it, and I don't think deleting the page as a hoax is necessary. The term "Minkrat" may be a valid mistaken term, and I think redirecting would be more helpful. ^Ariel♥Gold 04:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism on User:Ivysaur

[3] I assume that was a misclick, I was about to block you for reverting to a vandalized version, but then I noticed you're a productive contributor and I assumed that it was an honest mistake. I don't think you have a vendetta on Ivysaur or anything. —Crazytales talk/desk 04:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was an error. I tried to self-revert but was too slow. Thanks for WP:AGF — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 04:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. You reverted it practically as soon as it was added, and I appreciate it! Karanacs 19:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee back atcha

Yeah, my user name is rather silly. I picked it impulsively and intentionally randomly a while back. And yes, you do seem like a good egg, as silly as that sounds. :) Cheers, Melty girl 22:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Funny. I are not a Brit. Well, I've probably got some British and/or Welsh and/or Irish heritage way back, but the census records are a bit contradictory on the point! --Melty girl 22:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For reverting vandalism. Best wishes, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 22:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

And that brings us back to... (WP:AIV)?

So glad we can still take this kind of things with humor, my dear Tim! ;) (btw, keep an eye on your mail!) Love, Phaedriel - 22:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Who is this "Tim" you speak of? ;) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 22:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry, sir... isn't this Videmus Omnia's talk page? :P you, silly - sorry I couldn't resist! Phaedriel - 22:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

And I kept an eye on my email... nothing from you :( — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 06:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Eno-Etile -- Thanks

Hey thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. Any idea who it was or what they referring to? Eno-Etile 06:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

My latest project

I often go to Fuhghettaboutit's page to grab easy refs for stuff, and with his/her permission, I flicked the box and created a "Girlie version", lol. Check it out and tell me what you think. ^Ariel♥Gold 15:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we say "eyestrain"? :) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 15:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually 20/10 and 20/15 (which if you're not familiar with my second field of specialty (after I left Nephrology) Ophthalmology, is better than 20/20. Neener neener neener. lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 15:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page, Best wishes 12bigbrother12 16:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Not always

For instance, in the case of an IP recently vandalizing articles and then blanking their talk page (see the revision history again; they're just being a smart Alec now), the warnings should be kept. Typically, established users with a good history who either made a mistake or accidentally do something against the rules are allowed to remove their warnings; whereas users with an extensive or recent history of vandalism are not. --King of the Wontons 16:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's more of an unwritten rule than anything. Keep in mind that the IP had vandalized recently, so the removal of warnings really just a bad idea - even if he had read them, it's important to keep them on the page so that people don't have to go wading through ten pages of reverts to find out what the last warning was. --King of the Wontons 16:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but as this is neither a policy nor a guideline, and the current guidelines state a user has every right to blank their talk page, it cannot be enforced. It is easy to tell if someone is brand new, as the talk page tab will be red. Sometimes you just have to look through the history for a minute, and that's of course, when helpful edit summaries come into play, lol. The only issue where this should be enforced is with shared IPs, as those notices of the IP address being a shared one, needs to remain on the page to categorize it properly. ^Ariel♥Gold 16:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a ridiculous policy anyway, but if Timothy wants to play this game, so be it: I have nearly three years' experience (even if this account does not reflect that), and every single time something like this happened the proper response is to put the warnings back on the talk page. Or have you never heard of Ignore All Rules? It is, after all, one of the most important things to remember when editing Wikipedia. --King of the Wontons 16:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that I'm playing a "game". I'm not; I haven't even touched the talk page in question, other than adding the warnings when they were necessary. That said, I don't think this is an appropriate time to Ignore All Rules. By editing his talk page, and your constantly reverting it, he's likely annoying you, and also taking up your time that could be better spent reverting real vandalism. As such, he's succeeding in being annoying, whereas if you left him alone, he wouldn't be annoying anyone any further. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 16:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me? I reverted his talk page once because he blanked it. Don't tell me that I did it "repeatedly". After which he blanked it again and a separate editor who obviously agrees with me came along and did put the warnings back on. And it is very foolish of you to talk down to another editor as though I have no idea what's going on or how Wikipedia works. You have no way of knowing how much another editor knows, and even if you did, it gives you no right to treat me like an idiot. Kindly brush up on your Wiki-manners and get back to me once you've learned how to properly read and understand WP:IAR. I am fully aware of how to deal with trolls and do not appreciate you patronizing me, so knock it off. I did nothing wrong. --_{King of the Wontons} | _{lol wut?} | _{Oh noes! Vandals!} 18:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I apologise, that came across incorrectly. I meant your in the general sense, rather than you specifically. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 18:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. --_{King of the Wontons} | _{lol wut?} | _{Oh noes! Vandals!} 18:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Let me recast the sentence to make it clearer then. When editors continually revert page-blankings that are intended to clear warnings, it is usually more trouble than it's worth, and effort could be better spent elsewhere. I didn't mean to imply you had repeatedly done so, and I apologise unreservedly for it appearing that way. Also, you're right, I have no way of knowing how much you know, especially given the recentness of your account. Therefore, I took the cautious route and let you know about a guideline I thought you might not know about. I politely said "for your information" when I posted that first comment. I have read and fully understand WP:IAR, thank you. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 18:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's understandable to think that I am inexperienced, but you really shouldn't judge an editor based on the newness of their account. If they say that they're new, they're new, but otherwise always assume that they've got at least a good understanding of Wikipedia policies, and try talk to them like an adult. Don't patronize them, because if they do know what they're doing, they will not appreciate it. Also, it's generally frowned upon to begin a discussion by throwing policies at people, especially new editors. If you think that I did something wrong, say just that - that you think it, not that the entire encyclopedia is against me, because in reality it is not. WP:IAR is monumentally important because it means that rules on Wikipedia are not set in stone and change all the time. A lot of them are ignored completely. So to tell me that I broke a rule or violated policy is really pointless; how can I break a rule when there are no rules? And yeah, if they do something really, really stupid, reminding them not to is fine, but for the most part people have their own opinions about Wikipedia rules that they follow. --_{King of the Wontons} | _{lol wut?} | _{Oh noes! Vandals!} 18:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

OK. Thank you for helping me understand better. I will endeavour to cast my suggestions and information in a less authoritative manner in the future. Peace? — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 18:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. And understand that if I came off as hostile, it was not because of you but because I'm having a very bad day. --_{King of the Wontons} | _{lol wut?} | _{Oh noes! Vandals!} 18:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, we all have those from time to time. I'm sorry it's so crappy, and I hope it gets better. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 18:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Me too. --_{King of the Wontons} | _{lol wut?} | _{Oh noes! Vandals!} 18:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Me three!

^Ariel♥Gold 18:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Anna Wilding - Thoughts

Well, my thoughts are: this article needs some serious help. The refs section especially. The non-URL references should be put into proper format, and added to a "sources" section because they aren't done as inline citations, so it is impossible to tell what paragraph or sentence they validate without going out and buying these publications. While there is no policy that states references must be verifiable online, they should at least reference the section via inline citations, and these don't, so it is impossible for anyone (without these back issues of magazines) to know what they refer to, specifically. For the purposes of WP:BLP, it would definitely be worth getting some valid, verifiable online sources to back some of these statements up. Please note that IMDB is not a WP:RS, as it is edit-able by anyone, and contains facts not backed up by verifiable sources, so you should bring that to the attention of those people who refuse to sign their posts on the talk page. Items found in IMDB cannot be used to verify information, including birth date, etc. It also needs some serious inline citations, to be able to remove the irrelevant stuff, and stick to the facts. It does read like a resume, and probably could use a good re-write. However, I'm going to abstain from getting involved in this article. Due to the nature of the last post on Real77s talk page, I would strongly suggest that you get an administrator involved, as that last post is basically a threat of police and/or legal action. Perhaps you would want to take it to WP:ANI, or ask an administrator to evaluate the situation. It seems to me, that all attempts to make this article neutral and factual are being hampered, the talk page discussions are not getting anywhere, and I would strongly suspect that if the subject isn't editing it, then someone associated with her is, (PR, friend, whatever) and still would be against the WP:COI guideline. I could be wrong, but the sheer vehemence of the last post by Real77, and some of the talk page posts by anon editors, are suspiciously written like someone who cannot remain neutral or non-biased, at least in my personal opinion. ^Ariel♥Gold 02:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm also wondering if this is a legal threat of some sort. The language, like everything written by this editor, is rather difficult to understand, so I'm not sure. However, given that is might be, it's time to warn only, ignore Real77, and get an administrator involved, because if Real77 is making legal threats they need to stop editing immediately, on all of their accounts. KP Botany 02:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, here is what struck me as "threatening": (Caps by Real77, not me, lol) "MS WILDING ALREADY HAS HAD POLICE INVESTIGATING SLATLKERS and DEFMANERS...I SUGGEST YOU NOT ADD YOURSELF TO THAT LIST".

I think that would qualify as a threat, albeit veiled in caps and other oddly written items. Either way, this editor is not working together with others, not listening to valid policies and guidelines (for instance, claiming that IMDB is a WP:RS) and thus, the article is now protected, at least from anon editors. I hope these issues can be worked out, because if properly written and sourced with inline citations, the article would be a valid entry. Good luck with this! ^Ariel♥Gold 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Timothy, 've gone ahead and posted a comment on Real77's talk page, encouraging the editor to review the core policies, BLP, COI, and other guidelines. I'm not sure it will help, but at the least, they will be there for reference. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 03:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and thanked Jreferee for protecting the page, and asked that administrator to pop over to read this discussion when s/he has time. With that, I'm going to leave the issue into the capable hands of you, KP Botany, and Jreferee, as too many cooks can spoil the broth! I'll go work on Minkrat, hee hee. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The article looks a lot better, now, after some intensive care. Please feel free to remove any of the header tags, Timotab. We probably need to leave all reference tags in until these can each be checked, though. KP Botany 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply!

Patient you must be, young Padawan. ;) (see you at you mailbox later - and I swear it's the truth, if my daughter allows me!) Love, Phaedriel - 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

CLASSIC!

[4] - Hilarious! Thanks mate :) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 22:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Awww!

Any time! :) Just what wouldn't I do for my little Timothy? ;) xxx, Phaedriel - 01:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, spill it

That numbering was driving me bonkers too, but I couldn't figure out how to fix it, anytime I tried, it didn't work, I think because numbered lists have to be sequential, like, I had commented between them and that messed it up. So how'd you fix it? Spill! ^Ariel♥Gold 18:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

If you want to indent something within a list structure, you need to use the exact same indent code. So, if you have two levels of indents, which is then a numerical list, you'd be using ::# at the start of each list item. To comment under it, indented, you'd use ::#:. Take a look at the code for the examples below to see other examples.

line1
indent 1
line2
1. sublist1
2. sublist2
  comment on sublist2
3. sublist3
- bullet comment on line2
  1. new sublist under bulleted comment, part 1
  2. new sublist under bulleted comment, part 2
line3

Hope that helps. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 18:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from a passing observer. I wondered myself. Into The Fray ^T/C 18:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Doh, ~*Smacks head*~ Why didn't I realize that? I've actually seen that in the Help:Table section. Sheesh sometimes I surprise myself at the things I don't remember, lol. Thanks my dear Timothy! (And hi Fray!) ^Ariel♥Gold 18:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It is much more obvious when each list item is only one line long, so you can see the various bits of indent code together easily. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 18:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and it helps when you can remember stuff you don't use, lol. Because I've truly never had a reason to make a numbered list like that, I've only read it. I'm a "learn by doing" type of person, not always a "learn by reading" person. I do learn stuff by reading, of course, but coding? Nope, I have to do, then I can realize what it does. So, probably even now after you've taken the time to put together this lesson, I will still not remember it lol. I should go make a few lists maybe to practice, huh?

(P.S. you're still visiting the Adoption page aren't you? I feel really comfortable knowing you're around there too, to help me if there's something I don't know, lol) ^Ariel♥Gold 18:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Can I let you in on a little secret? I learnt that today from the Helpdesk.[5] :)

Oh, come on now Timothy dear, you must learn that a magician never reveals his secrets! Here I was thinking you were just the most amazing, all knowing, all seeing man... and now you break my illusions with the truth. Bah!

(I am, of course, kidding. Using humor, being funny, tickling the funny bone, etc., etc.) ^Ariel♥Gold 19:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Benny Strange

Timothy, Sorry, I haven't been around to edit anything. I completely understand the need to delete the Benny Strange for now. I found out that they got a call to do Street Scene 2007, so once that's posted, and the Relix Magazine article is out I think that will give me the foundation needed to keep the article up and I'll try again then. Thanks so much for all of your assistance and patience, I greatly appreciate it! Take care!

Joey6p 18:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Anna Wilding

Hi - I came across this --Fredrick day 19:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

User page

I noticed you've received heavy vandalism to your user page over the last week. Would you like semi-protection for some time? Acalamari 19:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the offer, but it comes with the territory of counter-vandalism. The edits get reverted pretty quickly, too, because we have a great counter-vandalism team. Not just that, but one particular vandal I'm tracking, so if I can get more evidence, I'm fine with that. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 19:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll leave protecting it for now then if you wish, but if you want it protecting at a later date, you know where to find me. :) I see the vandal you're tracking is one that's also been bugging me too. For some reason, they went after JetLover, and went after me when I semi-protected JetLover's pages. Acalamari 20:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

David

Yes, a certain someone who is President of a certain person's website is named "David M.", I believe, though I would have to go through about thirty e-mails to see if my recollection is correct :-) --David Shankbone 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Spicytamale is She Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken. That's the name She e-mails from. --David Shankbone 21:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)