User talk:Victoriaearle/Archive 21

Shikibu main page post-op

Could be worse, no? Mostly gnomes adding annoying stuff at the foot of the article, and some stray "shite" here and there, but overall, not a disaster in terms of maintaining article integrity. Its such a great page to have on main page; hope the day was not too stressful. IOWs delighted for you! Ceoil (talk) 02:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I like that page too and am sometimes blown away that there was a time I had the energy to do that kind of work. Re TFA, I kinda lost track of time & forgot about it & wasn't really around yesterday. But it looks fine. Not a disaster at all. I was stressed preparing it then decided to ignore it. Thanks for watching out & for the message. Hope all is well with you & Liz. Victoria (tk) 14:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

This was what I worried about happening. Victoria (tk) 01:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Noms viewer

I liked your "cockroach" comment though I'm glad you explained it as I would not have figured it out. I think you're right that there must be others like you who haven't found the time to install the viewer, or don't know about it. I know you're not all that active these days, but if you decide you want to see what the viewer looks like, it's very quick -- click this link, and add the following line to that page:

importScript('User:Gary/nominations viewer.js'); // [[Wikipedia:Nominations Viewer]]

If you do try it, perhaps it will let you look down the list of FACs more easily and find ones that tempt you into reviewing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

None of us knows what someone else sees or how they see it, because of variations in screen widths, browsers, skins, devices, etc. But generally I think there might be someone else out there who sees a wonky TOC like I do but doesn't bother to speak up. My feeling is that if the page is there it should work for everyone and we shouldn't need scripts, etc. to view it. The uninitated don't know the script exist so how can they even know to ask about it? Given that, my sense is that most are now viewing via the script. But if I could change anything it would be to sort out the TOC so it expands to show only the nom/article titles without the long long really confusing scroll of level four comments. The best solution would be to eliminate the level 4 markup - we did without it for years - but I get a sense that wouldn't go over well. It's just another hill to climb & yes I'm not that active & the hills get steeper & more wearying.

Anyway thanks. It makes it easier to install. I'll not get to it today, but will keep this thread so I'll know how to find it. I appreciate that you thought of leaving this here. Victoria (tk) 21:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding: I tested in preview mode by removing the "older nominations" section header & then the TOC rendered in expanded mode without having to click it to open. Presumably removing the section four headers will render the TOC w/ only nomination title, which is what a person coming to the page would expect to see. Victoria (tk) 00:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Empress Shōshi

Hi Victoria. Hope you are doing well. I wanted to discuss something with you regarding the article Empress Shōshi which was expanded by you. If you remember, 6 years ago I suggested that we move the page to her maiden name "Fujiwara no Shōshi" per WP:TITLECON as that's how the pages for other Japanese empresses are titled, but you were not convinced enough to support the move. I just wanted to point out though, that there are four other empresses who sort of share that name: Princess Shōshi (1027–1105), Princess Shōshi (1195–1211), Saionji Shōshi, and Princess Shōshi (1286–1348). I did not want to go ahead with another WP:RM, because the page you worked on might well be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, in which case I can create a disambiguation page instead of opening an RM and wasting everyone's energy, but I wanted to consult you first and see what you think the right course of action could be. Hope you feel better and I'll be looking forward to your response. Have a nice weekend. Keivan.f^Talk 22:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Keivan.f I'm still not convinced that the casual EN reader would know to find that page if it's retitled as "Fujiwara no Shōshi", and when I created it went with the title found in English sources. What if we create the "Fujiwara no Shōshi" as a redirect to Empress Shoshi? None of the other pages you point out are Empresses and more importantly none of the others received the documentation that exists in The Diary of Lady Murasaki. In part Shoshi's notability derives from having formed the court to which Murasaki Shikibu belonged, and as the subject of Murasaki's 1,000 year old detailed court descriptions - still studied in the modern era. Because of the association with Murasaki, she has received more study than, for example, Princess Shōshi (1027–1105), whose article lacks citations. Victoria (tk) 20:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The other individuals are indeed empresses (for whom maiden names are used), but sources that do discuss them are primarily in Japanese. Given your description of the sources used for Empress Shōshi's article, it appears that she could indeed be the primary topic since sources outside Japan do discuss her as well. Fujiwara no Shōshi already exists as a redirect to that page. I personally think that a WP:RM would be pointless because even though the term "Empress Shōshi" is not used in Japanese, it is what English sources have mostly utilized per this Ngram. I think a disambiguation page could be useful though. That means no pages get moved, but at least they get listed somewhere together so there will be no risk of confusion. Keivan.f^Talk 20:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

A dab page is a good solution! Let's do that. Victoria (tk) 21:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Alright. It can be found here. Keivan.f^Talk 23:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 09:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Schro!! Personally I was terrified of Krampus as a child when he came to the house - funny to see that name here; it's been years since I thought of it! Happy Christmas to you. Victoria (tk) 02:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh, me too! (spent my very early years in Germany and still remember being petrified of him!) cheers - SchroCat (talk) 06:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

My early years were in a small village & it was very frightening when St. Nicklaus showed up with Krampus, but I still remember the chocolate & gingerbread reward. Still, having a guy show up with a sack to take away children in is a bit weird to think about at this remove. Anyway, enjoy the holidays & keep up the good work. Victoria (tk) 00:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

December greetings

December: story · music · places

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. - I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you and to you to. You have quite a systems set up with story/music/places links! I took a look at Abel; very baroque which, I think as an American, I find difficulty relating to. Victoria (tk) 00:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Nativity scene on the Pulpit in the Pisa Baptistery by Nicola Pisano is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 02:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Johnbod. That's quite an amazing piece of sculpture! Thanks for the article; as usual you come through for Christmas. Happy Christmas and New Year - hope it's wonderful for you and yours. Victoria (tk) 20:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year

		Happy New Year!
		Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free and may Janus light your way. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks Ealdgyth!! Happy New Year to you and yours (including the horses & other animals!) Victoria (tk) 15:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Annunciation (Memling) scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 13 February 2024. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 13, 2024, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/February 2024. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from two days before it appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work! Gog the Mild (talk) 19:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Gog the Mild. I happened to notice that it's already been challenged on your page. Normally I'm not sitting around on a quiet Monday afternoon with nothing else to do but be nosy, so perhaps the discussion should go to a place where all the stakeholders are made aware of the discussion - & thus pinging Ceoil. Let me know where that discussion might be. Thanks & Happy New Year. Victoria (tk) 21:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/February 2024 as noted above. I'll open a slot. The current date is largely predicated around this and the associated discussion. I wasn't aware of any other "discussion", or - obviously - I would have pinged you and Ceoil in. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I was inelegantly referring the comment/s on your talk which landed there before the notification appeared here. Anyway, thanks for the link. I shall add that page to my watchlist. Victoria (tk) 22:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy with the article being on main page on either date. Ceoil (talk) 23:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm happy with the article being on the main page, and am happy for whichever date Gog chooses. Happy new year, btw. Hope all is well with you, Liz & your families. I meant to stop by with a note, but ... um ... didn't quite make get there in time. Best wishes for 2024. Victoria (tk) 00:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

We are both OK thanks Victoria, but unfortunately both lost our fathers in October and November of this year, RIP. It was a happy day for each man, not that that makes it any easier. We did have a nice get-a-way for a few days over x-mass in Budapest, but January is a miserable month anyway, and coping via family and looking towards the future - I'm off cigs for one (though thats only going okish!). Ceoil (talk)

Oh, Ceoil, I am very very sorry to hear. I honestly have no words. Hugs and condolences to both of you - you're in my thoughts. Be well and give yourselves the time to grieve. To go through that with both fathers is unspeakable. Victoria (tk) 17:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment on the page Gog mentioned above - here. Victoria (tk) 15:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

2024

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

Sorry that it's Baroque again, - the same location pictured as 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

So it is! That's the one in the Abel article. I didn't mean to be rude about it. For some reason that salle made me wonder what was happening in New England of the same period - very little baroque! People were scraping farms from rocky soil and making furniture. Perhaps even music. But definitely not in such lavish surroundings. Anyway, Happy New Year to you too. Victoria (tk) 03:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. - I didn't think of "rude" at all, just "far away", and that also just is so. Abel was in the transition period, and his slow sensitive movements were praised, such as the fourth sound file in his article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

If you like, meet the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. I see that Abel is getting quite a lot of Wikipedia exposure! Victoria (tk) 22:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Abel had a tercentenary, pieces were discovered and published, and a new catalogue of his works prepared, and a festival in his home town created, + a new prize with his name. I found it fascinating, and wrote an article about the catalogue, to appear with the festival in June. It was moved to draft. I hoped for it to appear pictured for the real birthday, arguing that we don't have a 300th birthday often - possibly not again in my lifetime - but it didn't appear on the birthday, and when it appeared it was without image. (They told me that could make the composer a GA.) The Fritzsch article was a red link since the sensational find of the 12 Telemann fantasias (2016 I believe), and it was about time, and it appeared again without an image ;) - Is that "a lot of exposure"? - His only work with an article is the symphony that got a K. number, because Mozart had copied it, and it was taken (and even published) as a Mozart work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if you can read or see this book on google books but pages 202 - 202 speaks about the close relationship between the Bach and Abel families; Abel's father w/ J.S Bach; the younger Abel brothers & the younger Bach brothers. Interestingly, this book seems to be about intersections of music/art. I do think that with some research and work that Abel can be brought to GA status. The association with Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz is interesting. Good luck with it all. Victoria (tk) 22:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the source! I can see p. 202, but not the next page. It seems a bit dated, saying Abel studied "under Bach" while others claim that it's unclear/doubtful if he personally studied with Bach. - The basic facts (Abel's father playing in Bach's orchestra - in the pictured hall, Bach's son living with Abel in London, both creating the first public subscription concerts) are in the article. My next projects is improving Bach's St John Passion for its 300th "anniversary" (undecided if structure or the main article), - Abel will have to wait. It would have been so easy to simply add the image to the DYK, for some extra attention now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For maintaining the standard of historical biographies and culture. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

for an excellent TFA on a very cool topic :) awesome work on art history articles !!

• Thanks

sawyer * he/they * talk 04:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks Sawyer-mcdonell. Yes, it's an interesting topic. I love kittens! Victoria (tk) 14:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

TFA

story · music · places

Thank you today for Annunciation (Memling), introduced (in 2015): "Hans Memling painted this pretty Annunciation scene around 1480. It's simple, striking, and has interesting iconography, yet someone must not have liked it very much because when a Polish prince found it in one of his family's estates early in the 19th century, it had been pierced through by an arrow. Early in the 20th century it was brought to America, transferred to canvas, and now resides in New York at the Metropolitan Museum of Art."! - On the same page: Seiji Ozawa (my thanks on my talk) and Helga Paris, a photographer of houses and faces. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed the Ozawa obit in the NYT. Victoria (tk) 14:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't have access to that paper, - if it has something others don't have (there's a quote at the very end of the article already) please add it. Best wishes, - my Valentine's flowers are a bit frozen but promising! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Link is here. Give it try! If you've not accessed other articles this month it should work. The croci are pretty. Too early here for flowers but spring is earlier every year. Victoria (tk) 15:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I was asked to create a free account, so I did (was asked twice to pay for more general access in the process), and after several steps could see it. Images better than the text. Did you see Ozawa's article at the time when he died? Each time I see such a sad thing I make up my mind to improve while they live, and each time there are the ones who just died and need it more urgently when readers are looking. - The croci were "taken" last year end of February on a cemetery in Munich, - I saw some here on the Rhine last Sunday but in the hills where I live it's also too soon for them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Oops, sorry to put you to so much trouble. I don't know when they changed the 5 or so free articles without sign in policy. I saw the article last week when it was published. Victoria (tk) 19:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't really trouble, just a bit tedious. I watch the list of deaths and noticed that they prefer obits from papers that are more open to general access. Gramophone still has something like 5 free which I use a lot ;) - Today I began an article of a church that I noticed on vacation, only to find that the town has an article only in Spanish, and the district has one in English that seems to be a bad machine translation of a bad travel magazine, - or - to be more positive - that made me smile: "Yes, their landscapes not leave anyone indifferent by the canopy of deep green vegetation that tupe those cliffs and see the ravines in contrast to the blue of the sky and its wild seas". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Here you go Gerda[1]. Ceoil (talk) 22:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Duh, I should have done that! Tks Victoria (tk) 00:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, both. Is it just me who sees only one image in the archived version, vs. several in the original. Anyway, will be helpful to readers when added to the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

You welcome. Go for the addition! Ceoil (talk) 08:54, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

done (didn't check if it works, takes ages to load ...) - Sunday now, not Wikipedia, opera later --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I was hoping for additional context but adding a ref is grand. Ceoil (talk) 09:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

The ref was there, but now is accessible to all. I didn't find much that wasn't already mentioned, but everybody is welcome to look and add now, thanks to you.

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

No problem. An article for the leap year! Well done. Victoria (tk) 00:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)