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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 11 May 2023 [1].

1984–85 Gillingham F.C. season[edit]

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry everyone, I'm back again with yet another (#23) nomination of a Gillingham season. Hopefully the quality of the article is better than the quality of the season, which was very up and down and ultimately ended in disappointment for all the Gills fans, including a pre-teen ChrisTheDude. Feedback as ever gratefully received and swiftly acted upon...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14 – Support[edit]

Non expert prose review:

  • since the club was elected back into the League -- suggest linking to re-election article as you did in the lead.
  • The club also signed two players who were out of contract: Tarki Micallef, a midfielder who had last played for Newport, and Dave Shearer, a forward who had most recently played for Grimsby Town, as well as forward Paul Shinners from semi-professional club Fisher Athletic. -- not sure, but is Paul Shinners also out of contract when he got signed? Perhaps split his bit into a separate sentence.
  • in both of which Cascarino again scored -- should it be both of which?
  • conceded a last-minute equaliser. -- suggest linking equaliser to the sports term, if available.
  • which was expected to keep him out of the team for up to six weeks. -- was he out for six weeks? Perhaps it should be specific i.e. which kept him out of the team for X weeks.?
    • His eventual return to the team is mentioned in the final paragraph of that section. I don't know if it was the injury that kept him out for the entirety of that time or if he was available again earlier but Peacock kept McDonagh in the team because he was playing well -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me. Otherwise, very well-written. Pseud 14 (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification and satisfied with the changes. Support on prose. If you have spare time and interest, I would also appreciate your input/comments on a current FAC. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pseud 14: - many thanks for your review. I was already planning on looking at your FAC and will do my best to do so over the next couple of days..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by BennyOnTheLoose[edit]

  • Bradley & Triggs (1994) isn't an independent source, but it is only used to support one uncontroversial fact, so that's fine. I don't think it would be helpful to wikilink Gillingham FC from the publisher field.
  • Similarly, for the use of matchday programmes as sources, I think these are appropriate for the information supported.
  • All of the sources appear to be reliable.
  • I don't usually see locations wikilinked in works cited; Template:Cite book has guidance that "Geographical place of publication; generally not wikilinked" but I didn't find any actual rule against it.
  • Tempus Press could be wikilinked to The History Press. (The "Ltd." is not required.)
  • Barry Hugman could be wikilinked.
  • work=BBC Sport rather than publisher=BBC Sport; work = The Daily Telegraph rather than work = Daily Telegraph; work = The Sunday Telegraph rather than work = Sunday Telegraph
  • As far as I know, there is no requirement in WP:BIBLIOGRAPHY or WP:CITE to have a consistent format for ISBN numbers, but, optionally, Hyphenator could be used to make them consistent.
  • As clippings are avaiable (but not zoomable) without subscription from newspapers.com, isn't url-access=limited more appropriate than url-access=subscription for them? (I'm open to discussion - the options are at Template:Cite news.)
  • I don't have access to the offline sources, but a few checks on newspaper sources were all fine, and I'm happy to AGF on the rest.

Great work, as ever, ChrisTheDude. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pass for source review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review by BennyOnTheLoose[edit]

  • Images are relevant and positioning is fine.
  • Licensing is fine for all images.
  • ALT text is OK, captions are fine. (The Bruce and McDonagh pictures were taken close enough to the season in question that I don't think a "pictured in" is necessary.)

Pass for image review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias – Support[edit]

Nice to see these, I'll have a look. If you would consider a reciprocal review of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Bronkhorstspruit/archive1, which is struggling for attention, I would greatly appreciate it, but don't feel obligated.

  • "..of First Division clubs, highly rated young defender Steve Bruce.." In British English, this should take the definite article to avoid a false title: "the highly rated young defender"
  • "equivalent to £460,000 in 2021" Because the boom in transfer fees hasn't matched inflation, I think this is misleading to include without further context being provided. Ideally a "transfer fee inflation calculator" would be available that would give a more relevant figure, but I'm not aware of such a thing. Unless you can include a sourced footnote about the inflation of transfer fees, I'd rather see this removed.
  • "..draw, Tony Cascarino scoring Gillingham's.." Avoid the Noun plus -ing construction, I'd recommend something like "..draw, in which Tony Cascarino scored Gillingham's.."
  • "..of the season.[15] A week later, he scored again as the team gained their first win of the season.." To avoid close repetition of "of the season", maybe switch the second to "of the campaign"?
  • "Forward Martin Robinson, a new signing from Charlton Athletic.." To avoid the false title here, consider "Martin Robinson, a new forward signed from Charlton Athletic.."
  • "Reserve goalkeeper David Fry replaced the injured Ron Hillyard.." Another false title; how about "The reserve goalkeeper, David Fry, replaced the injured Ron Hillyard.."
  • "..the midfielder angrily pulled off his shirt and threw it at the referee as he walked off the pitch." No review comment here, just an observation that if you did that now, you'd probably end up with a hefty ban!
  • "..by Republic of Ireland international goalkeeper Jim McDonagh.." Add "the" before Republic to avoid a false title.
  • "Veteran forward Derek Hales.." Similarly, add "The" before "veteran".
  • "..who had been injured again against Millwall." Find a way to avoid "again against", which is awkward.
  • Would you consider adding the team in fifth place, one below Gillingham, to the partial league table for greater context?
  • "..were semi-professional team Windsor & Eton of the Isthmian League." Rephrase to something like "..were a semi-professional team, Windsor & Eton, of the Isthmian League."

A really good article. The prose is really well written to give a flow to the season, rather than just a dry series of events. Great work. Harrias (he/him) • talk 10:22, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias: - many thanks for your review, all addressed. I will endeavour to QPQ yours over the long weekend. Oh, and re: the Dave Mehmet incident, it happened literally just in front of me and my dad (it happened on the touchline and we used to sit in the front row of the stand) and I can still picture it to this day :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent work, more than happy to support this. Harrias (he/him) • talk 11:10, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cas Liber comments Support[edit]

Looking now Looks fine on comprehensiveness and prose....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment[edit]

  • Could article titles be standardised as title case? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Gog the Mild: - apologies if I am being thick, but which title(s) do you refer to? The title of this article? In what way is it wrong? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In "References" the titles of the articles (the bits between the quote marks) should all be in title case. (Or, by some people's interpretation of the MoS, optionally in sentence case; but in any event consistent.) You have some in title case - eg cites 17 and 19 - and some in sentence case - eg cites 16 and 18. They should be standardised, IMO as title case. And no, how they are written in the original doesn't matter. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see - I was confused me by the use of "articles". Sure, I'll do that now..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: - done-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SC

Putting down a marker. - SchroCat (talk) 08:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just one comment from me, in the August–December section. "consecutive Third Division victories": just "consecutive league victories"? That's my lot. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SchroCat: - done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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