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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 09:14, 14 October 2012 [1].

Cyclone Rewa[edit]

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Nominator(s): Jason Rees (talk) 15:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because... After working on it for several months now, i finally believe that it is ready to become a featured article.Jason Rees (talk) 15:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • Be consistent in when you provide publisher locations
  • Don't need retrieval dates for GBooks
  • FN12: formatting
  • FN20: verify title formatting?
    • Interestingly the title literally is "nine missing after cyclone hits png."Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't italicize news agencies
  • FN22: publisher?
    • Its a self publication by someone who is now one of the National Hurricane Centers Senior Hurricane Specialists and has been "Thanked for his efforts to include the ground truth in his summaries" by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center on page III/5 in its 1995 ATCR.Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, this is right around the time I filled-in and wrote those weekly TC summaries in 1994. I checked, and it looks like you have the right author of that particular summary. For publisher, you might need to put Florida State University, as Jack was a graduate student at that time. I'd drop the Jack in the citation...it looks clunky to include it in there. If you kept it there, do any of the other authors in the reference section have nicknames? You'd need to include those too. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:19, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in whether you provide location and publisher for newspapers
  • FNs23-25: page(s)? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • FN 23 & 24 do not have pages provided by Lexis Nexis while FN 25 has one and has been added.
      • Thanks for the review - i believe all of your comments have now been sorted.Jason Rees (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments not almost ready to support yet. Support
  • "Severe Tropical Cyclone Rewa affected six countries and killed 22 people on its 28-day journey across the South Pacific Ocean during 1993–94." why is Pacific Ocean wikilined when it is a mjaor geographic place? And "1993-94" part seems a bit weird, perhpahgs re-worindg it into during December 1993 and January 1994" YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dashes should be replaced with en dashes. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • As far as i know all of the dashes are correct but please correct any that arent as i cant see the difference between them.Jason Rees (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Severe Tropical Cyclone Rewa affected six countries and killed 22 people on its 28-day journey across the South Pacific Ocean during December 1993 and January 1994" does not appear to have a en dash. Ill investigate it further and see if they are any others. YE Pacific Hurricane 23:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, I guess it does not need one and there appears to be none missing. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:13, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Early on 26 December, the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) started to monitor a tropical disturbance located about 575 km (355 mi) to the south-east of Nauru.[1] Did the JTWC really monitor this or was it the NWOC?
    • It is the JTWC because NPMOC only monitored the NHEM and SHEM between 180 and the Americas.Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • You use "reported" a lot in the MH, why not switch it up to words like "estimated" "recorded" or "measured". YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can not use recorded or measured since that implies the windspeeds were directly measured which they were not, will think about using estimated more though.Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During 4 January, Rewa moved back into the South Pacific basin, as a weakening category 3 severe tropical cyclone with TCWC Nadi estimating the 10-minute sustained windspeeds at 150 km/h (90 mph).[4]" Is it more or should at be changed to of? YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Later that day, Rewa moved around New Caledonia's south coast passing in between the Grand Terre island and the territory of L'Île-des-Pins, before passing over the Loyalty Islands during 6 January.[11] " on makes more sense than during here IMO. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • You start four straight paragraphs in a row with "Cyclone Rewa". YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • " In total over 3500 people were made homeless, while 17 deaths were recorded in Papua New Guinea when Rewa was active with eight of these deaths being caused by flooding.[21] " comma after total and 3 here AFAIK. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The comma after 3500 is my choice per the MOS and if it was larger then it would be a space rather than a comma. I also dont think that the total needs a comma after it.Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the opening days of 1994, Rewa moved southwards parallel to the Queensland coast; however because it was located about 600 km (370 mi) to the north-west of Mackay, it was too far away from the coast for there to be any direct impact on Queensland.[4][23] " comma after "however" IMO. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The only indirect impact reported were a higher surf and long surface waves from which several people had to be rescued from before the cyclone started to move towards New Caledonia during 4 January.[16][23] " "a" seems a bit odd here too me. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On 19 January Rewa started to affect Queensland with torrential rain and storm force windspeeds which caused some damage along the coast.[6] However it did not make its predicted landfall near Mackay, instead it recurved to the south-southeast and came to within 100 km (60 mi) of the coast.[6][25]" Not sure if Australian English requires this, but AFAIK, there should be a comma after January and however for starters as well as the comma before "instead" should be a semicolon AFAIK and after "instead" there should be a comma. But by all means, please correct me if I am wrong here. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Giving your reply above, just scratch this entire thing. YE Pacific Hurricane 19:42, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Cyclone Katrina–Victor–Cindy 1997–98 – another erratic tropical cyclone that took a similar path

Hurricane John 1994 – the longest-tracked tropical cyclone on record" why are years mentioned here? Just wondering. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • Because the name Katrina and John have been used more than once - does it really matter?.Jason Rees (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support.
    • I think the numbers should all be consistent in the first sentence (ideally all in number form).
    • When you mention Category 4 in the lede, you should specify that it's on both scales.
      • I dont think this clarification is actually needed.Jason Rees (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Why not? It's confusing. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • it aint that confusing IMO.Jason Rees (talk) 00:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Based on the link, and that there are only two scales that use C4, I guess it's fine. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:00, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Link Mackay, Queensland in the lede, but get rid of the second linkage in the impact section.
    • You should clarify that the white line in the storm path is the basin divider.
    • "gradually intensified under the influence of divergent upper level easterlies" - this could probably be clearer, such as what "divergent upper level easterlies" are.
    • In the MH, you spell it "windshear", versus "wind shear" in the lede.
      • Sorted the only occurrence of windshear.Jason Rees (talk) 01:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "By 7 January, Rewa's circulation had become exposed under the influence of upper level north-westerlies, as a result both the JTWC and TCWC Nadi reported that Rewa had weakened into a depression.'
      • You either need a semicolon before as, or add a conjunction. Right now it's a run-on.
    • "a mid to upper level trough" - correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it should be "a mid- to upper-level trough", since mid and upper are connected to "level".
      • I dont see the need for a dash after mid since the BoM's search engine thinks that i mean mike brough "upper level".Jason Rees (talk) 01:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, I've seen NHC often use "mid- to upper-level", since the mid should be connected with "level". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Why should i follow what the NHC does when they use a different form of english to the BoM and didnt even offically monitor the system.Jason Rees (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Well, can you give an example of the BoM saying "mid to upper level" without any dashes? I think grammatically they are needed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "before on 13 January" - I think "until" would work better than "before on" given the context.
      • I disagree here because it implies that Rewa stopped moving nortwards as it was renamed.Jason Rees (talk) 00:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, "before on" is rather unusual, and I don't think it's correct. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "around Papua New Guinea's islands" - which islands?
    • "Rewa's remnants were then last noted late during 23 January" - change to "Rewa's remnants were last noted late on 23 January". I don't think "during" works here, and the "then" isn't needed.
    • Are there any more pics of the storm that could be added to impact section?
    • The first sub-section of impact should be in the order of what areas are affected. Right now Vanuatu is first but is mentioned last.
    • "which made all of the major rivers overflow and burst their banks and left several roads closed" - bit of a run-on
      • Removed the bit about several roads.Jason Rees (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, the road bit is fine, since it's something that happened and is worth nothing. Maybe remove "burst their banks", since that's synonymous with "overflow". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The system had no effect on Vanuatu while it passed through the Solomon Islands between 28 and 30 December, however the southern islands of Vanuatu were affected by the cyclone after it had passed through New Caledonia during 5 January." - that should be split by a semicolon after "December"
    • Sorted.Jason Rees (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Be sure you're consistent with how you deal with dates. I saw "28 and 30 December" and "6–8 January" and "8 – 9 January".
      • I should be consistent now with only 1 exception due to it being over separate months.Jason Rees (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Maybe link to the Copra crop?
      • Copra sounds like it is a well known crop within the South Pacific Islands, so i dont see that a link is needed.Jason Rees (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • " In total over 3500 people were made homeless, while 17 deaths were recorded in Papua New Guinea when Rewa was active with eight of these deaths being caused by flooding" - this could probably be clearer. Perhaps: "In total, Cyclone Rewa left over 3,500 people homeless and caused 17 deaths, 8 of whom due to flooding."
    • You say there were 8 deaths from flooding, and 9 deaths from that ship to Rossel Island. But, you say the 9 deaths were "other" than the 17 deaths. So what were the 9 remaining deaths from? If it was the 8 from flooding and only the 9 from that ship, then you should say "The other nine deaths were..." from that shipwreck missing and presumed dead.
      • Take a closer look - i do specify that the people were presumed dead later.Jason Rees (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • I saw that, but the wording was ambiguous. Better now. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • " On 29 December, the automatic weather station at Jingo on Rossel island, recorded a minimum pressure of 999.8 hPa (29.52 inHg) at 0600 UTC" - why the comma?
    • "because it was located about 600 km (370 mi) to the north-west of Mackay" - don't you mean north-east? Northwest of Mackay looks to still be over land.
    • "was a higher surf" - the "a" seems unnecessary.
      • I think it is necessary TBH since im describing what impact there was.Jason Rees (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • But "surf" isn't exactly a singular noun. The "a" seems weird. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Its not at all weird imo - try muttering the sentence with and without the a and im sure you will see that its required.Jason Rees (talk) 14:46, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • I disagree, I read it out loud and it's just as awkward. Also, there should be a comma after waves in that sentence. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Two men off Yeppoon's coast were rescued from a fishing trawler by an army black hawk helicopter after high seas damaged the trawlers propeller and snapped its heavy anchor chain leaving the boat drifting helplessly in the cyclone's path" - add a comma please :)
  • That's it. It's in pretty good shape! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:14, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Few other things.

  • "to the southeast of Port Vila causing damage to the intertidal zone of Port Vila's harbour" - try and avoid the redundancy.
  • Avoid overlinking, and watch where you link terms. Sometimes you link to a location after the fourth time it was mentioned.

--♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • There was only one link that i saw, that was repeated.Jason Rees (talk) 14:46, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, I mostly noticed it because you link Sudest and Samaurai islands twice in consecutive lines. Also, you link Rossel Island far after the first time it was mentioned. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'm ready to support now. I think it's a great example of a long-lasting tropical cyclone article in the southern hemisphere, and I think it deserves to be featured. Great work Jason Rees! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:00, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments Non-breaking spaces are missing in connection with ALL the dates in this article and seem to be missing in phrases such as category 4. They are needed to prevent carriage returns in the middle of related items, such as 50 mph (which was done properly) and 6 February (which had a carriage return in the middle and prompted me to look up the article's coding), which improves the article's readability (unlike my run-on sentence). Referencing issues have been noted as well. Remember, they need to be consistent through the article for FAC using the same format throughout. Ref 20 needs its title capitalized. Reference publishing dates appear to be missing in refs 3, 6, 15, and 17. There seems to be a number of styles used in the referencing itself...are you aiming at placing the author first, then the publishing year, then the title and other info? Some of the later references appear to use a different format. These silly little details matter within FAC, which is a cruel mistress. I'm trying to resolve the wikilink issues myself. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:00, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think i have fixed all of your issues DR, however Refs 6 and 15 lack publication dates full stop.Jason Rees (talk) 01:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments. Overall, I'm underwhelmed by the prose. Most of the article suffers from proseline, and while I understand that this is difficult to overcome when describing the track of a tropical storm, I don't think this article represents Wikipedia's finest work (per criteria 1a: "its prose is engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard"). I've listed some examples of things that could be tweaked, but think that the article would greatly benefit from a line-by-line prose check from someone not close to the text. Sasata (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok i have responded to all of your comments and i will also try and obtain a copyeditor to go through the article.Jason Rees (talk) 17:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead
  • link tropical disturbance, tropical depression
  • shouldn't there be a link to cyclone somewhere in this article about a cyclone?
    • Ive added a link to tropical cyclone, but im not sure im happy about where ive put it.Jason Rees (talk) 01:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • link New Zealand earlier
  • Meteorological history
  • why are the abbreviations given in small-size upper case font?
  • The abbreviations are in small size as i personally think it looks better and is easier on the eye, while the abbreviations are in upper case because AFAIK that's how they are commonly done by various institutions including NOAA, JTWC and the WMO.Jason Rees (talk) 01:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Category" is capitalized in the lead, but not elsewhere in the body of the article
  • "920 hPa (27.17 inHg)" I think abbreviated units like these should should be linked at first mention in the text
  • "before it started to take a more eastwards track" eastwards -> easterly (?)
  • "the residual low level circulation" -> low-level
  • link trade flow (is it equivalent to trade wind?)
  • "During 10 January, Rewa's remnants moved out of the South Pacific basin and back into the Australian region while starting to re-intensify into a tropical cyclone as a mid to upper level trough over Eastern Australia increased in size." sentence feels run-on to me; could we add a comma after"cyclone"?
  • ensure that citations are in numerical order throughout (unless there's a compelling reason for them to not be so)
  • link Tagula Island
  • "as an upper level trough approached" -> upper-level
  • "before at 1200 UTC the next day the JTWC reported that the system" sounds awkward
  • "Rewa's remnants were last noted late on 23 January, by TCWC Wellington bringing heavy rain to New Zealand" TCWC Wellington brought rain?
  • I moved the comma so that this should be a bit clearer.Jason Rees (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Preparations and impact
  • "while it affecting parts" fix
  • link archipelago, atoll
  • The article is rife with the passive voice, which makes the prose(line) dull and monotonous. Here is but one example:
  • "It was estimated by the Solomon Islands Meteorological Service that the cyclone had brought"
  • link gale force
  • "Cyclone Rewa affected Papua New Guinea on two separate occasions while it was active, with the cyclone first affecting" affected … affecting
  • "12-14 January endashes, not hyphens, for number ranges
  • "Ahead of Rewa affecting the archipelago" clunky noun +ing construction
  • "The hardest hit areas were communities that lay near major river systems, with the cyclone blocking roads, destroying a church, bridges, homes and gardens with vital crops such as coffee and copra destroyed." same as above
  • "The only indirect impact reported was a higher surf and long surface waves from which several people had to be rescued from before the cyclone started to move towards New Caledonia during 4 January." clunky
  • "On 18 January local disaster committees met to consider evacuating people while people who were on vacation in national parks, were alerted about Rewa by a helicopter." why the comma?
  • I removed the comma there before, this review was posted.Jason Rees (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support – All the problems I had with this article a few weeks ago were brought up by Hurricanehink and addressed by you. Great job, JasonRees! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 23:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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