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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:26, 11 October 2008 [1].

Khan Noonien Singh[edit]

Nominator(s): Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)


I'm nominating this article for featured article because I think it meets criteria. The paragraphs of plot are balanced by an extensive design section and three paragraphs of reception and response. There ya go. -Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 02:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm not an expert at sources, but they appear to be fine. I can, however, say for sure that the links check out with the link checker. :-) –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Images check out fine. Giggy (talk) 04:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would reluctently agree with Giggy, however, a question, could Image:Khan-and-company---star-tre.png be replaced with an image taken from the trailer, rather than the more tightly commercially controlled film, per WP:NFCC#2? (I haven't seen the trailer in years so the answer could be no)Fasach Nua (talk) 09:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, why do both images have copyright dates of 2008? Space Seed was broadcast in 1967 and Wrath of Khan released in 1982, no? Эlcobbola talk 16:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The trailer didn't have any good shot of Khan which showed his glove, a significant portion of his costume, and some of his followers (either way, the trailer's quality wouldn't be conducive to proper identification.) Elco, you're right about the dates, I went back and fixed that. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Prose was/is a problem. FACs shouldn't have this number of simple typos. Perhaps you could try using a spellcheck program in future? Things I couldn't correct:
  • Erricsen or Ericssen?
  • "he uses McGivers's attraction to him in getting her to revive the other supermen", three verbs in one phrase is too many, this should be changed.
  • "The character of Khan was critically received." This could be misread that he was received unfavorably, again this should be changed. DrKiernan (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
His name was given as Erricsen, then Ericssen; it's not a mispelling. I fixed the other issues. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A few spot-checks show that much of the prose is OK (within reach of the required standard). During candidature, it would be nice for an unfamiliar editor to carefully run through it. There are things to admire in this nomination.

  • "While most of the supermen were killed or sentenced to death, Khan and 84 others escape Earth via the sleeper ship SS Botany Bay." Check past tense here.
  • "and nearly kills Dr. Leonard McCoy."—odd way of expressing it. Vague. Does he try to kill him?
  • I hate "meanwhile" in plot accounts. Just remove it.
  • "Spock sustains a lethal dose of radiation repairing the Enterprise, allowing the ship to escape the Genesis weapons' effects just in time, but Khan believes he has doomed his enemy before dying himself." Urky-purky.
  • Whilst ... what's wrong with "While"? Tony (talk) 10:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that... I had fixed those issues previously, but I was having issues with my copy and paste (it kept on pasting an entire article in whenever I performed a word search, go figure.) The above have been fixed now, and I've asked a couple users to look over the prose when they have time. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 13:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Otherwise sources look fine, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a search for citation, and I can't find any mix of {{citation}}. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 13:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Edit tab shows the citation template in use at the bottom. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about being difficult, Eald, but I've gone through all the refs and I only see cite journal, cite news, and cite web. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're not being difficult, but something is calling the {{citation/core}} template. Any idea what might be calling it?
Can you check it now? I reverted to an earlier version of {{cite journal}} as I noted it was randomly not formatting volume/issues correctly. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 18:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
that did it ... weird. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually not sure if the revert was the reason; adding a pages= parameter to one of the journal cites may have also done it. *shrug* Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 19:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've done a bit of copyediting, and I've read the article a couple of times, and found nothing of concern. The article appears to be quite well-written. Well done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks good from what I could tell, went through twice. if you make it more clear what actors play what. This would reduce any "in universe"ness and can be achieved by "(actor's name here)" after a character name. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added in. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 16:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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