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Ozzie Smith[edit]

Self-nominator; I'm nominating this article for featured article status because I've worked on it since September 2007 and believe that it now meets the Featured Article requirements. Monowi (talk) 03:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - please delete the underlining in the references, for the respect to the manual of style. MOJSKA 666 (msg) 12:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your comment; the issue has now been resolved. Monowi (talk) 03:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
Issues resolved, Ealdgyth - Talk 13:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • http://sports.espn.go.com/mlbhist/alltime/playercard?playerId=12926 gives me a page not found error.
    • What makes this http://www.nndb.com/ a reliable source?
      • Currently, I have no resource or guideline that can identify nndb.com as a reliable source. The only reason I used it as a reference was because it is the only reference I have come across that identifies the name of Ozzie's father (which is Clovis). I would hate to lose your potential support of this article based on the use of this single reference, so if you feel that is not a reliable source, and would subsequently not support the article if this reference was used, then I will remove it. In the meantime I will continue to find a more reliable reference with the same info. Monowi (talk) 20:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Update: I found a reference with the same info at CNNSI.com, and replaced the nndb.com reference with it. Monowi (talk) 20:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not sure why some references have underlining in them?
      • Issue resolved; the underlines were the way I formatted references before using templates. Monowi (talk) 03:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • What makes http://www.retrosheet.org/ a reliable source? Also, is their statement about needing to add a statment about where the information was obtained compatable with the Wikipedia license?
      • First, I believe you're referring to Retrosheet's statement located on this webpage: [1]. I believe the use of Retrosheet as a reference on Ozzie's page is compatible with the Wikipedia license, because the website is fully credited for the information being referenced in each individual citation. Moreover, consider this quote from that same webpage, "Recipients of Retrosheet data are free to make any desired use of the information, including (but not limited to) selling it, giving it away, or producing a commercial product based upon the data." With the properly formatted references in the article, I argue that the use in Ozzie's article complies with the "free-use" spirit of Retrosheet's own guidelines by properly giving the website credit. I would also argue that a precedent for use of Retrosheet as a reference in Featured class baseball articles has been set by the inclusion of Retrosheet references in the Lee Smith (baseball) article. Monowi (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • And http://www.baseballlibrary.com/homepage/?
      • Baseball Library was one of several online reference sites lauded for "Britannica-like accuracy" by Sports Illustrated. (Adam Duerson. "Welcome sites". Sports Illustrated. March 27, 2006. page. 63. Available from Newsbank.) Zagalejo^^^ 07:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Something is wrong on the formatting on History: Governor's Council...I tried to check for typos and couldn't see any.
      • Fixed (it's reference #45). Monowi (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=people&topic=Ozzie%20Smith the pictures don't load for me.
      • I have replaced this reference, still #63 in the article, with a more reliable one that contains much better information than the previous reference provided Monowi (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • http://www.tvguide.com/News/american-idol-family/050323-03 goes to an article about Survivor, at least I can't find any mention of Ozzie on it.
      • I have also replaced this reference with a more accurate source (reference #68). Monowi (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Likewise http://www.baseball-reference.com/? I tried to click on their "About Sports Reference" page but it was a dead link.
    • I believe the link you're looking for is located here: [2]. This is another website that editors of WikiProject Baseball encourage the utilization of. In the Featured Article Lee Smith (baseball), pages on this website are cited as references on more than five separate occasions. Technically, the publisher of this reference website is Sports Reference, LLC, so I will amend the references in Ozzie's article to reflect this right away. Monowi (talk) 18:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Baseball almanac is an resource that is suggested for use by WikiProject Baseball under their "Resources" section. The website has been utilized in a similar article, the Featured Article Lee Smith (baseball) (references #37 & #38 on that particular article). Monowi (talk) 03:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The Baseball Cube is another resource recommended by WikiProject Baseball editors in their "Resources" section. Information about the site, the data it uses, and its history can be found here: [3]. If you still have concerns about the reliability of the Baseball Cube, please comment here again, & I will gladly use info from an alternative site, like Baseball-reference.com, in it's place. Monowi (talk) 19:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    All other links checked out fine. I'm sure some/most of the sites I'm questioning above are fine, I am not exactly clued into baseball websites. Better to ask! Ealdgyth - Talk 13:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your comments; they have been extremely helpful in polishing the References section! Monowi (talk) 20:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comments

    Not really time to do a full review so I'm just going to look at the lead for now.

    • Long and yet only two paragraphs.
    • Mentions that he became a HoF in 2002 twice.
    • "Over the course of his 19-year career Smith accumulated some impressive offensive statistics as well" "impressive" is POV and what does "as well" mean?
    Changed the wording of that sentence to remove POV material and the words "as well." Monowi (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Major League Baseball shortstop" something like "player who primarily played shortstop" would be better.
    According to Ozzie's fielding statistics I found here, Ozzie never appeared in a Major League game at any other defensive position aside from shortstop. Therefore, I feel the change in the wording you are proposing would be less accurate than what is currently included in the article. Monowi (talk) 06:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "won 13 consecutive Gold Glove Awards" a non-exspert will not understand the significance of this.
    Explained the significance of the Gold Glove by changing the second sentence of the intro to read,"Nicknamed "The Wizard of Oz", he is widely recognized as one of the greatest defensive players in baseball history, winning the Gold Glove Award for defensive excellence at shortstop for a span of 13 consecutive seasons." Do you think this is adequate explanation? Monowi (talk) 06:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • A lot of stuff not really notable enough for the lead.
    Is there anything in particular you could point out? Monowi (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • And yet no mention of some thing with I think are lead worthy, such as his number being retired, hosting TWIB and his base sealing ability.
    I have now added both of these info bits into the introduction. Monowi (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Buc (talk) 20:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Support, tentatively. I'll go take another look through and let you know what I find, I just snow these fail within two weeks without at least one person supporting. Wizardman 17:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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